|
He couldn't have been deaf to the Hager backlash or the general tone of WWE/AEW discussion and opinions these days. So like, I think we're being really generous if we just accept that he just "accidently" wandered into a Trump Jr interview. He probably didn't seek it out or anything but I couldn't possibly buy that he didn't know he was making a statement when he agreed to the interview/book promotion. He knew what he was saying. He either didn't care or DID care and agreed.
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:33
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 21:48 |
|
|
the publisher waved a check in front of Jericho and images of expensive booze danced through his mind
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:36
|
|
|
Wouldn’t surprise me if Jericho has a relationship with the Trumps via their time in WWE
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:40
|
|
|
I would have advised Jericho against it for the record. I am not an American. But a lot of Wrestling fans are Republicans and AEW runs quite a lot in the South. Ignoring them especially as a young business is probably pretty foolish.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:40
|
|
|
Raskolnikov38 posted:the publisher waved a check in front of Jericho and images of expensive booze danced through his mind the top shelf bubbly
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:41
|
|
|
rovert posted:I would have advised Jericho against it for the record. AEW have made diversity and progressivism a core part of their marketing, you cannot do that and coax trump voters at the same time, because you’ll lose both If I’m Tony or Cody I’m screaming my head off about this right now
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:48
|
|
|
Pinstripe Hourglass posted:AEW have made diversity and progressivism a core part of their marketing, you cannot do that and coax trump voters at the same time, because you’ll lose both I doubt it. There’s only a few choices and they’re rightly confident that people will, generally, stick it out with AEW
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:49
|
|
|
rovert posted:I would have advised Jericho against it for the record. the best take would have been to not book political figures on the podcast at all. there are other ways to appeal to people who live in conservative areas than to book the son of the currently up for review regarding impeachment president. if you want to appeal to people in atlanta, you can book freddy freeman instead of brian kemp
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:50
|
|
|
rovert posted:You can compare the Meltzer version to the Wreddit version for yourself. It wasn't independent research. as someone who has had to sent corrections to dave many times over the years for dragon gate and owe things, this is one of his biggest failings. he doesn't personally verify everything in the newsletter and is willing to just print what he sees at face value.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:51
|
|
|
NotQuiteQuentin posted:as someone who has had to sent corrections to dave many times over the years for dragon gate and owe things, this is one of his biggest failings. he doesn't personally verify everything in the newsletter and is willing to just print what he sees at face value. It’s not surprising considering the sheer volume of stuff he puts out. That’s the trade-off of not having very many people covering the breadth of stuff that he does - you end up with a mass of stuff with some errors, or certain things not getting coverage at all
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 05:56
|
|
|
Pinstripe Hourglass posted:AEW have made diversity and progressivism a core part of their marketing, you cannot do that and coax trump voters at the same time, because you’ll lose both It is likely a long person to person conversation that a message board one. But Wrestling or rasslin is more right-wing than left-wing on the level AEW is operating from my POV. Marching into 2020 AEW will have to juggle a lot and avoid a mind field. I'd err on escapism and light fun. I know Tony was mad about Jericho's post-All Out podcast as it revealed too much behind the curtain even by 2019 standards. But Tony didn't want to confront him given his status and the respect he has. There's a lot of considerations and commercial waters AEW will have to navigate one year or so in operation.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:02
|
|
|
Jericho’s All Out podcast was great and that’s a backwards attitude. It’s a work. Everyone knows it’s a work. We all know the orgasms are fake, we still watch porn. People can see behind the curtain and still enjoy the product. His Donald jr podcast however is bad. What a dumb idea.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:06
|
|
|
Dango Bango posted:Am I the only one that read that retraction with a huge amount of sarcasm and Dave being a dick about Seth bitching? It's such a minor detail! It seemed completely sincere to me. For all his joking around, Dave seems to take being a journalist seriously even if the industry he's chosen to be a journalist on is a giant joke to a large percentage of the world.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:08
|
|
|
I also really enjoyed Jericho’s post-All Out podcast, I wish there was more content like that. Honestly, it really shouldn’t be that hard for a wrestling promotion to not wander into Presidential politics, but here we are, I guess.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:17
|
|
|
rovert posted:It is likely a long person to person conversation that a message board one. But Wrestling or rasslin is more right-wing than left-wing on the level AEW is operating from my POV. Marching into 2020 AEW will have to juggle a lot and avoid a mind field. I'd err on escapism and light fun. This doesn't really fit with the actual ratings and viewing public. WWE fans might have a more conservative bent because they're majority over 50 but that's going to be balanced out by how well wrestling does with POC, a demographic that can be conservative but doesn't vote Republican. And obviously a demographic that has no support for Trump. AEW obviously has a younger fan base. I really wouldn't expect their fans to lean hard right at all. Perhaps conservative but not as conservative as Trump who's a divisive figure even on the right. Edit: I was looking for this piece that has wrestling fans as mostly unengaged democrats. https://www.businessinsider.com/politics-sports-you-like-2013-3 Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Nov 6, 2019 |
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:27
|
|
|
I am keeping an open mind and hope that Trump Jr is there to discuss his interest in paranormal poo poo like a normal TIJ guest. lol if Dave lifted a reddit story and didn't have any sources in the Raw locker room to confirm it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:28
|
|
|
WOL had Bryan arguing that Seth is upset about how his speech was described as Bryan claimed several people confirmed the speech happened
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:42
|
|
|
Re: Trump Jr. on TIJ, it's also compounded by WHY he's on the show, which is to promote his book that appears to be centered on extremists gleefully coopting psychology terms pertaining to PTSD sufferers because they didn't like feminists using them on blogs.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 06:59
|
|
|
I wonder if Meltzer or Alvarez are the types to understand why this angers people or if they're the type to think people being upset about politics is unreasonable and just a matter of disagreeing opinions.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 07:13
|
|
|
rovert posted:I would have advised Jericho against it for the record.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 07:31
|
|
|
I get the sense that at least Dave really does not like Trump.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 07:32
|
|
|
TTBF posted:I wonder if Meltzer or Alvarez are the types to understand why this angers people or if they're the type to think people being upset about politics is unreasonable and just a matter of disagreeing opinions. bryan tries hard not to have to take a side about anything but he's best friends with VinDog who hasnt been shy about hating trump since election night 2016. dave also rt and tweets anti don things fairly regularly. update excel spreads as needed
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 07:38
|
|
|
I don't expect Big Woke Dave to really hold Jericho's feet to the fire on this because he has a recurring habit of letting people get away with this poo poo if they happen to be his friends.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 07:45
|
|
|
Bush was worse than Trump.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 07:49
|
|
|
I go to the bar every Sunday for Seahawks games. People in Seattle don't like Trump, on the whole. Not the way you read about, though. We're not as liberal as you'd think. But The South it isn't, so it's not cool to like him here. And I live in a white-rear end neighborhood. The way people at the bar talk about politics, it's exactly how they talk about the Hawks game. They don't like that their team is losing, but they all have jobs and money and nobody's throwing them in camps or taking their rights away, so they don't think about it until it comes up and then they say Thing Bad, which is more than I expect from most people, and I'm glad they do, because that isn't nothing, and I think they'll vote. It's hard to make those people care beyond "this is bad and I'll vote next time, though." We all protested so much that first year, but that energy is gone from those people. They'll just wait until election night to see if their team wins next time. Bryan's in a bubble inside of another bubble. He, like 60% of us, knows this is bad. But that's it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 07:51
|
|
|
before we talk about rather or not your popularity will decrease if your father is impeached or forced to resign for tweeting out the nuclear launch codes, let me tell you about omaha steaks
TelevisedInsanity fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Nov 6, 2019 |
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:00
|
|
|
Thank you for making me laugh at this very sad situation.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:10
|
|
|
imagine engaging with rovert
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:14
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/RusevBUL/status/1191978476242374657
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:20
|
|
|
rovert posted:It is likely a long person to person conversation that a message board one. But Wrestling or rasslin is more right-wing than left-wing on the level AEW is operating from my POV. Marching into 2020 AEW will have to juggle a lot and avoid a mind field. I'd err on escapism and light fun. I’m just commenting on their existing marketing, rov. On social media AEW higher ups - Cody and Brandi especially, but also Tony, Omega and the Bucks - have made a BIG point about inclusiveness and diversity. “Wrestling is for everyone,” etc. They’ve made a very deliberate strategy of seeming like the good guys to the big bad WWE. I don’t believe Nyla got signed or pushed because she’s trans, but her presence in their marketing sends a really clear message. Likewise with Sonny Kiss. Regardless of its effectiveness (which I also disagree with you about, but that’s a different discussion), this is the strategy they’re employing. It’s anathema to MAGA types. They aren’t going to watch wrestling with trans people or gay characters who aren’t jokes. AEW can hire people like Hager and it not be that big a deal, but when their champion and biggest star goes and talks with Trump Junior about feminist snowflakes for two hours, that fucks their whole image. Pinstripe Hourglass fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Nov 6, 2019 |
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:21
|
|
|
Rusev continue to be better at most things
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:28
|
|
|
Gumball Gumption posted:This doesn't really fit with the actual ratings and viewing public. WWE fans might have a more conservative bent because they're majority over 50 but that's going to be balanced out by how well wrestling does with POC, a demographic that can be conservative but doesn't vote Republican. And obviously a demographic that has no support for Trump. AEW obviously has a younger fan base. I really wouldn't expect their fans to lean hard right at all. Perhaps conservative but not as conservative as Trump who's a divisive figure even on the right. When someone was asking a few days ago as to why there have been so many recent wrestling podcasts, I was going to answer that I thought it was the fact that wrestling is so consumed by this demo, but I still really don't have a good cohesive argument as to why I think wrestling appeals more to left and why that leads to more wrestling podcasts than other more popular subjects, but I'm unable to really make any arguments that I'm very confident in or advance my thought beyond the general feeling that there is causation.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:29
|
|
|
aew has cleverly marketed itself as the "progressive" alternative while doing essentially nothing to back it up. please don't believe the carnies
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:35
|
|
|
You can get pushed in AEW even if you talk funny, that's progress.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:38
|
|
|
They’ve hired and pushed more openly LGBT people in 7 months than WWE has this millennium. I don’t ally myself with corporations, “there’s no ethical consumption etc etc”, but that alone is something from my perspective. I never, ever thought I’d see a genderqueer person in a nationally televised wrestling company before AEW, and that’s meant a lot more to me than I thought it would at first. But, again, I’m just talking about how they market themselves in the context of my discussion with Rovert.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:45
|
|
|
Pinstripe Hourglass posted:They’ve hired and pushed more openly LGBT people in 7 months than WWE has this millennium. I don’t ally myself with corporations, “there’s no ethical consumption etc etc”, but that alone is something from my perspective. i mean you're right but i don't know if I'd say "pushed" when Sonny Kiss hasn't been on television and Nyla's only appearance was doing a job a month ago. unless I'm forgetting something
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 08:51
|
|
|
Even if the average AEW fan is a republican I kinda think the average AEW fan who listens to wrestling podcasts skews younger, less rural, and left
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 09:11
|
|
|
I wouldn't necessarily assume the average TIJ listener to be left leaning.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 09:22
|
|
|
i didn’t say they would be actually left just left of the average southern rasslin fan
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 09:26
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 21:48 |
|
|
The goalposts are moving very quickly. The point is that Jericho's shittiness here flies in the face of AEW's purported values and sends a message to me, and every marginalized fan that they're as bad as WWE.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2019 09:38
|
|