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Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



XMNN posted:

managing director and a particularly cunty sales manager are talking politics v loudly in the office

unsurprisingly they do not like Corbyn, because he's a dangerous communist

they also "don't like Boris but might do if he promises to lower the higher rate of tax"

had to leave before I swore at both of them and got sacked

I feel for you dude, I don't miss that. My field is overwhelmingly lefty, and it's bliss in the office.

Then we have a volunteer group of largely older people, lovely hard workers but very Daily Mail. I had to ban political chat like the dictator I am

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CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Cat Machine posted:

Can someone point me towards the Momentum marginals map for canvassing that was posted at the end of the last thread? I think I've read enough posts on here now to convince me it's time to do something and I'd like to know where I'm best going. Thanks!
this one?

https://www.mycampaignmap.com/

slight warning: according to the CLP I'm campaigning with, apparently Momentum took the sources for the events a week or two back and the map hasn't been updated, so you may want to check out the Labour Events page to get up-to-date information!

ed: e.g. where I am there are lots of events on the Labour page (5+ events on some days) that just aren't listed on the Momentum one

ed: ed: they appear to have updated the Momentum one since I last checked

CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Nov 6, 2019

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
Nice.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

I hate that AV Videogames :(

Cat Machine
Jun 18, 2008

CGI Stardust posted:

this one?

https://www.mycampaignmap.com/

slight warning: according to the CLP I'm campaigning with, apparently Momentum took the sources for the events a week or two back and the map hasn't been updated, so you may want to check out the Labour Events page to get up-to-date information!

ed: e.g. where I am there are lots of events on the Labour page (5+ events on some days) that just aren't listed on the Momentum one
Thank you very much! Blocked at my work, but I'll try not to read too much into it. I'll check out the events page.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


No government, everybody go hog wild!

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006

Rarity posted:

So this is the first election I've been fully politically engaged for. Is this number of MPs stepping down normal or is this an exceptionally high number?

there's usually some churn but the big deal this time is they all appear to be from the same moderate wing of the Conservative Party.

2005-2010: 149 MPs did not seek reelection in the 2010 general election (a lot of these were those caught up in the expenses scandal and Labour MPs seeing the writing on the wall)
2010-2015: 90 MPs did not seek reelection in the 2015 general election
2015-2017: 31 MPs did not seek reelection in the 2017 general election
2017-2019: 65 MPs so far not seeking reelection in the 2019 general election

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Ratjaculation posted:

stolen from gbs


I just guffawed in Court you fucker

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Cat Machine posted:

Thank you very much! Blocked at my work, but I'll try not to read too much into it. I'll check out the events page.
see edit above, I think they've updated the Momentum map; also, the Momentum map will show you precisely which constituencies and events are most local to you so you can pick the closest visually without messing around with postcodes. worth looking at both imo

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Doccykins posted:

James, Cleverly avoiding questions from Kay Burley

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1192003392677261312

Cleverly is saying that he was double booked and was doing an interview for Talk radio at the time.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

re: canvassing, a friend made the comment that a lot of people who dont already vote Labour tend toward older demographics who respond best to face to face interaction and telephone conversation. I dont know about respond 'better' but I've had both red-faced shriekers and kindly grannies giving out battenburg so ymmv.

door knocking is legit (unless you work for myhermes and are incapable, give me my parcel you fucks)

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1191704005451427841?s=19

This is the kind of poll we like to see.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

sebzilla posted:

No government, everybody go hog wild!

No, there's still a government. Just no parliament.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Necrothatcher posted:

The only thing I'd disagree with what I've seen on here is when someone said posting in this thread is a valid form of campaigning. I love this place, but posting here isn't effective political action pretty much anything else you could do is more likely to help Labour.

I wouldn't underestimate how many people have been educated/radicalised in this thread though. Yeah it's obviously no where near as impactful as a lot of other things but positive, inviting, informative spaces like this do make a difference.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
I'm feeling kind of hopeful this morning. Having both Jay Burley and Piers Morgan laying into the Tories, and the official Tory response basically being "it's fine because people are chumps" seems like nothing but good news. They really don't seem to have learnt anything from 2017 and just assume they've already won.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Just had an email from Jenny Formby saying no campaigning on Sunday (Remembrance) before 2pm.
I know some of you don't get the emails.


It's great so many people are so positive but don't make Sheffield Rally mistake!

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

I think you're mixing up LAB and LDM :ssh:

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

No, there's still a government. Just no parliament.
Oh, right.

*extinguishes flaming torch*

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Doccykins posted:

Add to jumping-before-pushed

https://twitter.com/edvaizey/status/1192012923985641472


Vaizey had the whip removed voting for parliament taking control of the order paper but had it restored after voting for the Johnson Withdrawal Agreement
Oh gently caress, this might be very good. This is my area and with an unknown standing for the Tories, Labour might have a chance - there are going to be a lot of floating voters who were supporting Vaisey on autopilot who might be open to listening to a new candidate.

The local Lib candidate is of course a spod who has already sent out the usual lying graphs in his pamphlets. Can't see it doing him much good, since if there's two things South & the Vale hates, its city boys and young people.

Exciting times.

Hungry
Jul 14, 2006

Steve2911 posted:

I wouldn't underestimate how many people have been educated/radicalised in this thread though. Yeah it's obviously no where near as impactful as a lot of other things but positive, inviting, informative spaces like this do make a difference.

I've always been a lefty, even when I was a callow teenager, but this thread has undoubtedly made things a lot clearer for me, and given me the tools to educate a few family. It's important.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Rarity posted:

I think you're mixing up LAB and LDM :ssh:

I thought that then I thought maybe looking at it from potential for non-tory (even if it is a libdem).

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jedit posted:

Cleverly is saying that he was double booked and was doing an interview for Talk radio at the time.

Despite the fact he was physically at Sky. I'm sure this won't just piss them off even more, and certainly didn't make him look like an incompetent buffoon as well as a liar

Purple Prince
Aug 20, 2011

Ratjaculation posted:

I feel for you dude, I don't miss that. My field is overwhelmingly lefty, and it's bliss in the office.

My boss swung from a 'sensible' Tory to a Lib Dem because of how crazy Boris is, and he is rich enough to be a natural Tory voter, so if that's any reflection on general movement it's great.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
Yeah since starting to lurk in this thread since probably just after the 2015 election, I went from not voting at all and being 100% politically apathetic to being a pretty full on socialist. I've since been able to convert a fair few friends and people at work over to the cause so it's absolutely a positive impact, however small it may be.

Archaeology Hat
Aug 10, 2009

Purple Prince posted:

My boss swung from a 'sensible' Tory to a Lib Dem because of how crazy Boris is, and he is rich enough to be a natural Tory voter, so if that's any reflection on general movement it's great.

My tory colleague has gone from tory to "I hate all the parties, I'm not voting", which is quite amusing to me.

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

happyhippy posted:

Things Jacob Rees Mogg Thinks He Knows More Than
- Firefighters at a tower blaze
- The CBI about Brexit
- Van Drivers who run deliveries across EU countries
- The UK Treasury (when businesses were moving out of the UK, he accused the Treasury allowing them to humiliate the UK)
- German car makers

Add any I missed.

You.

I haven't checked whether anyone already said this because I know better than the thread.

Xeno
Sep 16, 2005

MAD TYTE DUBZ, YO.

Coohoolin posted:

I've never been to Faslane, is it pretty?

The nuclear weapons convoys are pretty impressive. The base is a shithole though.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


https://twitter.com/jamesstupidly/status/1192017123767283712

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Thing about door knocking is no matter what you say or do (as long as you're not a prick) it says "we care" to the knockee. The objective isn't to persuade swing voters or win over the enemy, it's the non voters that matter - when people are disengaged or disenfranchised, literally just turning up to let them know that one party actually does give a gently caress about them is often enough to get them to turn out.

Although I've seen a lot of older swing voters saying "you're the only ones that bothered to come round so we'll vote for you this time." S Wales though so ymmv

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Posting on the sex number page :dance:

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


A quick thought on door-knocking.

What about those in our communities without doors on which to knock?

It's possible to register to vote if you have no fixed address. It might be a strong move to have a stock of the forms printed and ready to hand out to rough sleepers etc. Especially since Labour have promised to buy up several thousand homes and get people off the street immediately after winning the election.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/people-no-fixed-address

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol the courts overturned the police XR ban

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Rarity posted:

Posting on the sex number page :dance:
In the UKMT, every page is the sex page.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...py_to_clipboard

quote:

Swinson personally wrote to Butler to say she believed her account of racism and that everyone has a responsibility to be “careful with the words they use”.

She wrote: “I believe we all have a responsibility to be careful with the words we use and to make sure that we are communicating in a way that is sensitive and appropriate. I understand that Mr Wilson has issued an apology for his tweet, which I believe to be essential in the circumstances.

“I want to be clear that I absolutely believe that your experience in the lift is genuine, and I think it is vital that when these experiences are shared that they are believed and not dismissed.”

She said all MPs and staff were expected to take the “Valuing Everyone” training course run in the Commons.

Butler wrote back: “This is a completely inadequate response to a complaint of racism, which is not in keeping with the Macpherson principles that instances of racism will be recorded and treated as such and investigated accordingly.”

On Tuesday, the Lib Dems contacted Butler to send her a link to a complaints form, which she had already filled out when she first complained to the party. However, they have not answered questions on whether Wilson faces any disciplinary action or if he has attended a training course on diversity.

That's just absolutely amazing.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

Bobby Deluxe posted:

In the UKMT, every page is the sex page.

Ultra Kinky Mega Thread

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Borrovan posted:

Thing about door knocking is no matter what you say or do (as long as you're not a prick) it says "we care" to the knockee. The objective isn't to persuade swing voters or win over the enemy, it's the non voters that matter - when people are disengaged or disenfranchised, literally just turning up to let them know that one party actually does give a gently caress about them is often enough to get them to turn out.

Although I've seen a lot of older swing voters saying "you're the only ones that bothered to come round so we'll vote for you this time." S Wales though so ymmv

It surprised me how many folks have a specific single issue gripe that they want to offload to somebody they feel is linked to the cause of it. 'My mums care home closed due to funding cuts, my son's school became an academy and now performs poorly, the community health visitor team has been slashed so new mums who cant get out are left to fend for themselves'. Just being a sounding board for them to go off on goes a long way to building a bridge. You do need a degree of resilience for this though, some people have really been through the wringer.

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006
Bridgen on damage control tweeting at 6:15am

https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1191961820204032005

mycelia
Apr 28, 2013

POWERFUL FUNGAL LORD



Purple Prince posted:

My boss swung from a 'sensible' Tory to a Lib Dem because of how crazy Boris is, and he is rich enough to be a natural Tory voter, so if that's any reflection on general movement it's great.

My dad's done the same (he's a staunch capitalist so I couldn't swing him to Labour, but better than nothing), and I managed to convince my mum and sister to vote Labour thanks to this thread making it easy for me to follow what's going on and explain it to them. Thank you, posters :shobon:

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice
edit: i can't read and am dumb

xtothez fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Nov 6, 2019

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Aphex- posted:

Yeah since starting to lurk in this thread since probably just after the 2015 election, I went from not voting at all and being 100% politically apathetic to being a pretty full on socialist. I've since been able to convert a fair few friends and people at work over to the cause so it's absolutely a positive impact, however small it may be.
Yeah the community here is great at filtering news sources and providing the good takes on them, which is two thirds of convincing others.

Also

Rarity posted:

Posting on the sex number page :dance:

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