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Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002


Just put this guide out on how to access and read the leaked data if you're into finding neo-Nazi US soldiers
https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/how-tos/2019/11/06/massive-white-supremacist-message-board-leak-how-to-access-and-interpret-the-data/

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A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Thanks BM but can't you just have your CIA handlers just go pick them up? Lol JK have a good one

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

The Chairman posted:

The aspect I find most confusing about it is that Trump has never claimed to have a road-to-Damascus moment, and as far as I can tell, nobody's ever tried to reveal one or even make one up. His evangelical supporters just accept him at his word that he's a Christian who feels "very strongly" about it despite never bringing it up outside times where he's being quizzed about it, and even then he's obviously faking his way through it.

I definitely recall a few of them trying to make one up or at least say that it's probably happened and he just wants it to be a private thing. The people smart enough to know he's doing it don't care.

The big difference between Trump and Kanye is that Kanye laid his own groundwork to get accepted by Evangelicals wholeheartedly and gave them an almost half hours worth of quotes to say "Oh hooray he's been born again!"

Trump has always been a reverse engineer job where he checked off all the boxes of the deplorable/combative/racist/classist right wing aspects that actually make up 90% of being an American Christian these days and they needed to come up with paper thin explanations on their own to call him a good Christian man, up to and including just plain pretending he's had a Kanye-esque born again moment so they can handwave away his entire past. Trumps big contribution to this effort has always been just tacitly approving of whatever they're doing, giving them shout-outs and occasionally attending some conference. I assume most of their interactions these days consist of trying to avoid any more "two Corinthians" moments where the outside world gets to dunk on them for obviously being in a loveless marriage of religion and politics for the sake of the 14 words.

Kanye asked to come in, Trump would just as well not bother if he thought he could win an election without them or if they asked him to do anything he wasn't already doing.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

Thanks BM but can't you just have your CIA handlers just go pick them up? Lol JK have a good one

no we're trying to identify them BEFORE the CIA hires them

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

:yum:

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Epic High Five posted:

it's funny because they keep trying to orchestrate these things and then Trump just turns it into a "road to Trump" event, like when he made a bunch of evangelical leaders endorse him by shaking hands and smiling with him in front of his wall of softcore porn magazines he was in

he doesn't even pretend, he's never atoned and will never apologize for anything, and anybody who ever suggests he has done something bad will be immediately destroyed, so the whole mammon grift just has to pretend this is all the case harder and harder every day

Yeah, and Trump knows he's got them too. It's a standard part of a con to make sure that even after the mark figures out they've been conned, that they're in too deep to back out.

They sold Trump to their base, knowing he was full of poo poo, in return for appointing the right judges, and Trump did the time honored conman tactic of using what they viewed as a discrete transactional bargain to make them support everything he does.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Azathoth posted:

Yeah, it's super taboo in most denominations to question whether someone is really a Christian if they say that they are, which is just perfect for scam artists.

Except when it’s a black president of course

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

well, i dunno what i would do if i were them. jump off a bridge and do the world a favor probably. but i think you're right that this is positioning with the expectation that trump and the right is going to get tossed out of power.

this is mostly babby's attempt at grappling with postmodernism below but i'm going to post my thoughts in the hope it'll provide some sense and organization to them. you get to see inside my burger-juice-filled brain

there's another far right group that comes to mind when thinking about symbology: patriot front. i recall seeing some of their internal monologue chatter about how they expect trump to lose, so the idea is that they're going to keep plugging away at crafting an image that will allow them to inherit the pieces of it. but how they're "fronting" (ha ha) doesn't really follow from that -- like their rhetoric is largely just trump rhetoric ("america first") with the knob turned up slightly, and their bodily presentation takes on the form of walking american flags, slightly mutated in characteristic fascist style:



but these are symbols of a state that they're positioning to inherit a rebellion against, so there's a contradiction on this symbolic level, and that contradiction will probably not be sustainable. i don't think it's the case that changes in material power happen at the symbolic level (rather it's the other way around), but we can see contradictions begin to manifest at this symbolic level. the debate over how the alt-right should position then is the result of contradictions between the changing, objective requirements of the grift (the material) and the form (the symbols) in which the grift will express itself, superstructurally. or something.

if you remember the tea party, while they flew american flags, they tended to prefer the gadsden flag:





compare that to trump supporters (same people, but the symbol changed). you rarely see gadsden flags:





what's interesting about the trad-catholic fascist stuff is that it doesn't require national symbols to serve as this outside, symbolic anchor -- they can use the church or christ or whatever. not any specific church (traditionalist catholics have been in rebellion against the institutional church since vatican II) but "the church" as an abstract signifier. this allows them to begin repositioning away from trump and the right's current set of worn-out signifiers.

now that i think about it, this same process could lead to a phase-out of the "blue lives matter" flag -- what that represents is the colors, nuance and context of the flag stripped out, with the only color being the brute force of the state. if the right ends up in a situation where it no longer identifies with the state, which i think is guaranteed to happen, it'll go out of fashion

Good post, thank you

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Azathoth posted:

Evangelical Christianity, particularly the Born Again strain, is big into redemption stories. The idea that a religious conversion can make someone do an immediate 180 is part of most if not all denominations of Christianity (see: Paul's conversion), but it's really the defining feature with Born Again folks.

It's been a profitable grift for as long as grifting credulous Christians has been a thing. That Trump could suddenly become a devout and pious Christian is literally exactly what they both want to hear and expect to happen.

I seriously lost count of all the guest speakers we had during Youth Ministry that had the exact same " I did pre-marital sex with 9 million women while shooting up 3 metric tons of heroin every day while worshipping wicca but then I found a bibble and read the words of Jesus and now my life is completely turned around and I grew this soul patch" redemption story.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Your Gay Uncle posted:

I seriously lost count of all the guest speakers we had during Youth Ministry that had the exact same " I did pre-marital sex with 9 million women while shooting up 3 metric tons of heroin every day while worshipping wicca but then I found a bibble and read the words of Jesus and now my life is completely turned around and I grew this soul patch" redemption story.

I hate all of these stories except the ones where it's just so off the wall insane that they had to have been testing the limits, like that one guy who claims God cured him of every venereal disease but especially AIDS and then his wife who was born without a uterus was able to get pregnant and poo poo

of course none of them are like "I found a bible in a heroin haze and now I'm sober and beating the poo poo out of bankers, all day erry day"

I believe the term for this specific trend in the community is "redemption porn"

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Your Gay Uncle posted:

I seriously lost count of all the guest speakers we had during Youth Ministry that had the exact same " I did pre-marital sex with 9 million women while shooting up 3 metric tons of heroin every day while worshipping wicca but then I found a bibble and read the words of Jesus and now my life is completely turned around and I grew this soul patch" redemption story.
The funniest moment of the 2016 campaign was when Ben Carson took his utterly unbelievable story of what a violent out-of-control badass nutcase he was before he found Jesus and got his life straightened out on the road for journalists, who immediately picked it apart.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



FMguru posted:

The funniest moment of the 2016 campaign was when Ben Carson took his utterly unbelievable story of what a violent out-of-control badass nutcase he was before he found Jesus and got his life straightened out on the road for journalists, who immediately picked it apart.

this one was a really boring and normal one until he held that presser where he was so furious that he was being questioned about his past for the first time in his life that he was making tea kettle noises

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
there was a tape that was against internet porn that had a guy that was originally a producer of porn that converted to Christianity because he happened to see the main pastors sermon while channel surfing

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014


I did some brief research on this guy, and decided to stop because im not really equipped to write dissertations on bulgarian parliament. However the most important thing i guess is that his political party BMPO (IMRO-Bulgarian National Party) is one of the claimants of successor to IMRO, the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization, the ultranationalists who assassinated the bulgarian prime minister (Aleksandar Stamboliyski) for not pursuing irredentist claims in yugoslavia, as well as more broadly and importantly his socialist views (the imro also collaborated heavily with the croatian nazis in the ustase). This bulgarian party basically thinks that macedonia should be a part of bulgaria.

However, the other large claimant as the successor party of IMRO is an actual Macedonian party, the " Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization – Democratic Party for Macedonian National Unity", which is the second biggest macedonian parliamentary group, very recently switched from being pro-nato to anti-nato, and absolutely despise bulgaria. So the two claimants to the legacy of one political party are entirely oppositional, and afaik the us only supports the bulgarian one (here's karakachanov meeting with james mattis https://www.novinite.com/articles/187988/Krasimir+Karakachanov+Held+a+Meeting+with+US+Secretary+of+Defense+James+Matisse). So in conclusion i dont know much about the internal politics of eastern european countries

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

Epic High Five posted:

this one was a really boring and normal one until he held that presser where he was so furious that he was being questioned about his past for the first time in his life that he was making tea kettle noises

I think he was actually getting really mad because they were threatening the real reason he was running: to sell books.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Intel&Sebastian posted:

I think he was actually getting really mad because they were threatening the real reason he was running: to sell books.

remember how his superPAC had to drop the pretend act and follow him around with their bus because all his events were at Costco book signing events that he'd not really actually campaign at

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

FMguru posted:

The funniest moment of the 2016 campaign was when Ben Carson took his utterly unbelievable story of what a violent out-of-control badass nutcase he was before he found Jesus and got his life straightened out on the road for journalists, who immediately picked it apart.

Remember when bobby jindal claimed that he witnessed an exorcism

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Your Gay Uncle posted:

I seriously lost count of all the guest speakers we had during Youth Ministry that had the exact same " I did pre-marital sex with 9 million women while shooting up 3 metric tons of heroin every day while worshipping wicca but then I found a bibble and read the words of Jesus and now my life is completely turned around and I grew this soul patch" redemption story.

Remember that preacher guy who got confronted on tv for lying about every aspect of his past history whose response was to run out of the interview while the camera was rolling? I bet his church is still in business and doing fine.

ditto the guy who got exposed for telling the crazy lie that he was the manager of a brooks brothers in nyc during 9/11 and turned his store into a makeshift morgue to help out.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Remember that preacher guy who got confronted on tv for lying about every aspect of his past history whose response was to run out of the interview while the camera was rolling? I bet his church is still in business and doing fine.

ditto the guy who got exposed for telling the crazy lie that he was the manager of a brooks brothers in nyc during 9/11 and turned his store into a makeshift morgue to help out.

his church was actually what he ran out of

it was entirely online so his church was just like, a room in his house he set up to look churchy that he livestreamed from lol

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Epic High Five posted:

his church was actually what he ran out of

it was entirely online so his church was just like, a room in his house he set up to look churchy that he livestreamed from lol

gay porno star realized he could make more money grifting christians than taking one up the butt

"they go straight for the sword"

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Mary Annette posted:

quote:

Tag urself I'm the $120 'collectible' edition of a glorified pamphlet ghostwritten on behalf of the idiot rear end in a top hat son of an idiot rear end in a top hat son of an rear end in a top hat.

im the man with the teary eyes and the arms crossed pouting posture above the giant text saying that i, donalnd trump jr, am triggered

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
lmfao I'm still reeling from the idea that they took on "shadowbanning" as a real thing that they all believe in and talk about constantly

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
shadowbanned IRL

"TAKE OUT THOSE AIRPODS COWARD"

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Also I'm 35 years old and I'm pretty sure for at least 25 of those years I've seen a constant stream of RW books about the dire consequences of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Chapter 18: The time I was given "forums cancer"

Mechanical Fiend
Sep 5, 2011

How'd that asshole get a white robe?!


There's hashed passwords in the dump.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Mechanical Fiend posted:

There's hashed passwords in the dump.



you buried the lede with that pikachu

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I'm permabanned poster pukachu1488

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
emails and passwords of fascists you say.....

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Epic High Five posted:

I'm permabanned poster pukachu1488

we must secure a pokeball for

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.
Giovanni did nothing wrong.

Mechanical Fiend
Sep 5, 2011

How'd that asshole get a white robe?!

Alan Smithee posted:

you buried the lede with that pikachu

https://pastebin.com/aYymeZFR

drat!

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Special mention to the guy who chose to type in “despondent” when he logged on nazi GBS

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Epic High Five posted:

I'm permabanned poster pukachu1488
Only can be caught with the master race ball

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

Thanks BM but can't you just have your CIA handlers just go pick them up? Lol JK have a good one

Dont be silly. BM works for British intelligence not US.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
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which one of you

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
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more like hacked 360

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Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012


im sure "hortler1377" is a fine upstanding lad

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