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Saints win SB Drew retires Saints sign Cam Cam and Taysom run dual QB system
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Nov 6, 2019 17:54
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MJBuddy posted:Saints win SB 
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Nov 6, 2019 18:00
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Barring another injury this year, you fuckers aren’t getting off the hook with Brees for at least another year. There’s enough QB-starved teams out there that Teddy’s not coming back.
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Nov 6, 2019 18:29
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GD_American posted:Barring another injury this year, you fuckers aren’t getting off the hook with Brees for at least another year. Hopefully! Maybe even 2 or 3 I assume he's going to want to outlast Brady because if I were him, I would want to go to whatever age Brady goes to, and Brady is a couple of years older than Brees. Brees doesn't have all the rings Brady has, so if he wants to be the GOAT, he'll need to have a year or two without Brady to claim all the records for himself.
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Nov 6, 2019 18:35
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Nov 6, 2019 18:36
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Cam has a year left on his deal. Why would we cut him? He is cheap to keep and should be 100% healthy next year. Do we think he is soured on the team? Panthers have really worked hard to get him protection and weapons the past few years. They haven’t all worked out (Matt Kalil), but CMC, Samuel, Moton, DJ Moore, and Greg Little were all 1st and 2nd rounders, and Paradis was our big free agent signing this past year. Norv’s offense also was meant to get the ball out faster and let playmakers make plays instead of relying on Cam. So it isn’t like the Panthers have continued to gently caress with Cam’s career. But probably too little too late at this point since he hasn’t been healthy since 2016.
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Slowpoke! posted:He is cheap to keep and should be 100% healthy next year. No to both of those. 20 million non guaranteed, and Cam isn't known to be a rehab warrior.
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Nov 6, 2019 19:39
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If Cam is gone and Ron Rivera is not, I will have a very hard time remaining a Panthers fan.
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Nov 6, 2019 21:42
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three posted:If Cam is gone and Ron Rivera is not, I will have a very hard time remaining a Panthers fan. If we're rolling with a QB to be developed you probably want Norv in the driver's seat of the offense. I could definitely live with it.
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three posted:If Cam is gone and Ron Rivera is not, I will have a very hard time remaining a Panthers fan. I cheered through a 1 and 15 season and a Jimmy Clausen season. I wont be gone, but gently caress its gonna be depressing without Cam.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:31
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PostNouveau posted:Hopefully! Maybe even 2 or 3 Im a huge Drew Brees homer but noway he gets GOAT unless he goes on like a 4 straight SB win stretch and does something insane like have a 9 TD game MJBuddy posted:Matty Ice is already a light QB! I dont know what order they came out in but there is a Natural Ice beer that is the full version compared to Natural Light.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:35
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Barudak posted:Im a huge Drew Brees homer but noway he gets GOAT unless he goes on like a 4 straight SB win stretch and does something insane like have a 9 TD game What animal do I have to sacrifice to get this
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Nov 7, 2019 01:01
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Silly Burrito posted:What animal do I have to sacrifice to get this The dirtiest bird you can find.
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Nov 7, 2019 01:17
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waah posted:I cheered through a 1 and 15 season and a Jimmy Clausen season. I wont be gone, but gently caress its gonna be depressing without Cam. If you're rebuilding, do it with a new HC. Ron Rivera is the coach that coaches to consistently beat bad to average teams, and can't beat anyone competent that actually prepares for the Panthers. He got a couple of Ws over good teams thanks to Cam in spite of coaching. I hope the Saints are still fighting for playoff seeding so Payton can embarass him and force Teppers hand at end of season.
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Nov 7, 2019 01:37
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Rivera is a nfc championship winning hc
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Nov 7, 2019 01:38
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Ron Rivera ain't a bad HC. Is it time to move on? Maybe, I dunno, but he deserves another job if he wants it.
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Rivera's baby is the defense, and every single thing I've ever read about him complements how insanely well the team executes his defense. It is a completely boring, unimaginative defense that relies on winning one on one battles and having one of the three best linebackers in nfl history, but it's incredibly well coached and executed. The problem with Rivera is how he approaches the game from the other side of the ball. He sees the offense as a compliment to the defense and a way to keep his defenders off the field and rested. he wants to control the clock, be in third and manageable, etc. The offensive game has passed him by and he refuses to adjust to it. There are several examples of this. When Ron was a player, a two TD lead in the third quarter was basically game over. QBs weren't good enough yet and defenses could just murder people and it made throwing the ball to come back just not worth it. There was a gentleman's agreement in this era where if you got up like that, both teams would just run out the clock and that would be it. Ron still approaches football like this and it's infuriating. Every single Panther fan will tell you Ron refuses to put teams away. He is fine with a three and out and a punt if it takes 2:00 off the clock in the third quarter. He wants his defenses to win games in the late third and fourth quarter, instead of just playing keep away with his offense. And I don't need to tell you guys that the nfl has been nerfing defense for over a decade, and all the power now rests with the offense. He's just incredibly resistant to change in this regard. I don't trust Ron rivera to build another offensive philosophy. He doesn't understand the other side of the ball and has proven he never will. It has nothing to do with the individual players. It's just Ron's approach to the game that infects the offensive side of the ball and poisons everything.
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Nov 7, 2019 02:02
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Atlanta and Carolina should just switch head coaches.
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Nov 7, 2019 02:16
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Silly Burrito posted:Atlanta and Carolina should just switch head coaches. Carolina should just promote Chase Blackburn and let the chips fall where they may
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Nov 7, 2019 02:21
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Barudak posted:Im a huge Drew Brees homer but noway he gets GOAT unless he goes on like a 4 straight SB win stretch and does something insane like have a 9 TD game What if he took below-market deals for another decade while being paid under the table so that his team essential gets to play with 120% of the salary cap
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Nov 7, 2019 03:27
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Metapod posted:Rivera is a nfc championship winning hc Cam Newton is an NFC Championship winning QB that carried Ron Rivera.
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Nov 7, 2019 06:13
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waah posted:I cheered through a 1 and 15 season and a Jimmy Clausen season. I wont be gone, but gently caress its gonna be depressing without Cam. Same  three posted:Cam Newton is an NFC Championship winning QB that carried Ron Rivera. If Carolina makes it to the playoffs this year (and we won't), it will be on the back of CMC, not because of anything Ron does. Is it fair to say that the only real difference between John Fox and Rivera is that Rivera has had better talent than Fox did? My memory may be leaving out details, but thinking back to the Fox years, it doesn't seem THAT different from now. I even feel like I get frustrated at Rivera's Panthers in almost the same way I did with Fox's.
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Nov 7, 2019 06:37
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Barudak posted:Im a huge Drew Brees homer but noway he gets GOAT unless he goes on like a 4 straight SB win stretch and does something insane like have a 9 TD game If Brady retires this year (I assume in shame after getting blown out by the Saints in the Super Bowl), and Brees plays another couple years, he'll have like all the good QB records to himself for a while. I mean, super bowl wins, whatever, team sport anybody can play for the Pats a bunch of years while they channel the dark magic of bill belichick
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Nov 7, 2019 07:22
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Shinji2015 posted:Same Ron has his issues for sure, but he's not as bad as Fox when it comes to playing conservative and nursing a lead and refusing to start young players. I know it's become a bit of a joke but Riverboat Ron became a thing for a reason.
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Nov 7, 2019 07:52
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PostNouveau posted:If Brady retires this year (I assume in shame after getting blown out by the Saints in the Super Bowl), and Brees plays another couple years, he'll have like all the good QB records to himself for a while. Records are good but I think your average person is swayed by championships especially for a marquee, team face player. That said of course I want Drew to be in contention for GOAT and ideally if he could have a 9 touchdown game on the seahawks so it becomes impossible to play the beastmode game without that queued up with it thatd be great.
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Nov 7, 2019 09:28
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Barudak posted:Records are good but I think your average person is swayed by championships especially for a marquee, team face player. If we're exorcising some bad-loss demons, the best playoff run would be Brees dominating the Seahawks, 49ers, Vikings and then Jags in the Super Bowl.
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Nov 7, 2019 14:29
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Ron has his issues for sure, but he's not as bad as Fox when it comes to playing conservative and nursing a lead and refusing to start young players. I know it's become a bit of a joke but Riverboat Ron became a thing for a reason. Riverboat Ron came from a sarcastic name because the Panthers had a ton of games where they punted from the 45, refused to go for it in fourth and goal from the 1, etc and writers like Bill Barnwell kept mocking them for it. Someone on Rivera's staff showed him the articles and he listened and went for it and had great success because Cam Newton is pretty good at rushing for 1 yard and they started sarcastically referring to him by that name. He's very conservative at heart
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No one is going to consider brees the goat because he threw a bunch of yards in 7 win seasons.
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PostNouveau posted:If we're exorcising some bad-loss demons, the best playoff run would be Brees dominating the Seahawks, 49ers, Vikings and then Jags in the Super Bowl. But that means they didn’t get a bye. Beating the Rams would be much more satisfying than beating the Vikings. We already did that before.
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Drew Brees won't ever be considered a top 5 QB of all time. Maybe sneak into the top 10.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Ron has his issues for sure, but he's not as bad as Fox when it comes to playing conservative and nursing a lead and refusing to start young players. I know it's become a bit of a joke but Riverboat Ron became a thing for a reason. Fox and Rivera are both horrible at red flag challenges.
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Metapod posted:No one is going to consider brees the goat because he threw a bunch of yards in 7 win seasons. Thats like half of Drew's seasons, though. Also Paytons coaching record is basically do three years getting either 11 or 13 wins, slam back to 7-9 for a few seasons, repeat.
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I think Ron does a pretty okay job at finding decent people to work for him and letting them do their thing. I definitely would not put him in the lower tier of coaches, just comfortably in the middle, maybe a bit above average. The bigger issue is having a new owner and that new owner wanting to take a more actively involved role with the team. Pretty much the first step of that would be bringing in your own people, which is why the decision could already be made at this moment. The whole missing the playoffs thing is a good rationale but it's more about the future of the team
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Barudak posted:Thats like half of Drew's seasons, though. Also Paytons coaching record is basically do three years getting either 11 or 13 wins, slam back to 7-9 for a few seasons, repeat. Yes that's why neither have been considered the best at their position in any year despite being amazing.
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Metapod posted:Rivera is a nfc championship winning hc So is Dan Quinn.
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see how funny would it have been if that fumble out of bounds reverted to the Bucs. Would be awesome and a nice prize for Devin White's extra effort there
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wandler20 posted:Drew Brees won't ever be considered a top 5 QB of all time. Maybe sneak into the top 10. If he wins at least one more SB and retires with all the passing records, I disagree. Brady and Montana will fight for top two but with the rings and records Brees makes top 5 easily.
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MJBuddy posted:Riverboat Ron came from a sarcastic name because the Panthers had a ton of games where they punted from the 45, refused to go for it in fourth and goal from the 1, etc and writers like Bill Barnwell kept mocking them for it. Someone on Rivera's staff showed him the articles and he listened and went for it and had great success because Cam Newton is pretty good at rushing for 1 yard and they started sarcastically referring to him by that name. He is, but still less so than Fox who would have punted in pretty much every one of those situations, and continued doing so, forever, no matter how much evidence he was presented.
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