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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/opinion/mexico-mormons.html Surely they wont disappear overnight. But if you cut the main source of income of those gangs (which is the main source of income of most organized crime today in this world), surely they will lose a lot of their power. Not overnight, but in a little time Trying to enforce the law is what everyone has been doing for the last century, is not working, is wasting a huge amount of resources and is killing millions of people, specially poor people Improving economic conditions surely would help, but capitalism. Anyway, if you stop wasting tons of money in a endless unwinnable war, more is left to improve the lives of the poor I know is not happening, but, we all know the "war on drugs" wont ever solve the problem either Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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legalization is probably necessary but definitely not sufficient for USians, we have an extremely direct analogy in alcohol prohibition - it vastly strengthened organized crime, and while repealing it sharply constricted their cash flow, the bell could not be entirely unrung because, like the cartels, they had already branched out a bit and still had enough resources to keep their footing through alternative industries but prohibition repeal certainly wounded them
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Does anyone in Brazil talk about drug decriminalization or legalizing cannabis and etc? also Mexico missed the court mandated deadline to put a framework for cannabis legalization in place, looks like the government got a six month extension though. I don't know why they have to gently caress around so much GreyjoyBastard posted:legalization is probably necessary but definitely not sufficient while I think it is important to remember there's a lot of other issues, you're coming dangerously close to repeating the talking points of prohibitionists. Regarding complex issues like crime prevalence no policy intervention will ever be "sufficient." This is not a useful way to conceptualize the problem. There are no cure alls. These are problems that we manage with lots of small interventions, none of which can address the whole problem, but each of which contributes in some small way to making things a little better. Like imagine if instead we were talking about healthcare and someone was all "proscribing statins seems to help decrease the risk of cardiovascular disease" and then you bust into the conversation with an "AH but statins might be necessary but they're not sufficient to eliminate cardiovascular disease!" That would be an extremely weird point to make, it almost sounds like an excuse to avoid talking about doing something useful
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GreyjoyBastard posted:legalization is probably necessary but definitely not sufficient Eh, I'm pretty sure the golden age of the mob was in the decades directly after prohibition repeal.
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Squalid posted:Does anyone in Brazil talk about drug decriminalization or legalizing cannabis and etc? There were some early rumblings about that in the mid 2000s. Even former pres Fernando Henrique Cardoso spoke favorably about it (once he was out of power and thus unable to do anthing -real-, of course). But given that 1- It's a hugely violent country and 2-drig war blends in nicely with general repression of the poor in shantytowns and such, it never made much headway beyind a few magazine covers. And recently, with the reactionary wave, it's been shelved. Hell, maconheiro (pot smoker) has effectively joined the chud's lexicon along with 'communist' as a group that should be shot on sight by all cops and well-meaning citizens.
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Yeah, drugs are like abortion in Brazil, in that they will never be decriminalized because for the rich they are the facto legal, while also providing an excuse to crack down and brutalize poor people.
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https://twitter.com/leobenassatto/status/1192602118831693824?s=19 This seems like a big deal?
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It is. And he is free already What happens now, who knows
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This is likely a direct result of Glenn Greenwald's reporting, as the justices who changed their votes on the decision that led to Lula's release were justices that the intercept revealed had been either misled or targeted by Moro and lava jato.
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Sephyr posted:And recently, with the reactionary wave, it's been shelved. Hell, maconheiro (pot smoker) has effectively joined the chud's lexicon along with 'communist' as a group that should be shot on sight by all cops and well-meaning citizens.
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is it kicking off in Santiago again? roadblocks all over the place and a lot of people at Baquedano?
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hoiyes posted:Hell, most alt-right chuds probably smoke themselves, they just smoke "differently" not like those dirty hippies. Oh, definitely. If I had a buck for each upper-middle-class rear end in a top hat I know who tokes up, does some coke at nightclubs and bums rivotril prescriptions from doctor friends but also wants 'drug dealers' shot on sight, I'd be able to afford a private medschool. And yeah, Greenwald's material definitely helped turn the tide. Not because the justices actually have any morals, mind. But even they know that if they let the lower instances run wild, it can only lead to 1- They lose control of the whole shebang and become obsolete as whomever needs a result can just find the crazy/bought first-instance judge, knowing that upper instances can't do anything to stop the chaos. 2- They become manipulated by investigative branches feeding them bogus reports, hiding info and basically just become figureheads caught between media scandals and politicized police departments. They may be poo poo on ethics, but those fogeys are territorial as gently caress and very zealous about preserving their importance. THEY get to bang the gavel on this insane asylum, and no one else!
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:is it kicking off in Santiago again? roadblocks all over the place and a lot of people at Baquedano? I mean, it’s just more of the same. I guess the difference was last Friday was a holiday, so less people were interested in taking to the streets, but there have been barricades all week. The most noticeable difference lately has been the movement of the protests up, into the higher class neighborhoods. Providencia had disturbances yesterday and Wednesday. They still haven’t been able to penetrate into Las Condes, the financial district, yet. Still, this is good. Heading towards La Moneda is symbolic, but annoying cuicos might actually bring about some pressure. It also means we have a bunch of idiot cuicos in yellow vests guarding plazas in Vitacura from nobody
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poo poo... On a lighter note: https://twitter.com/ManuVictorC/status/1192972210203480064
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I hate poo poo like this, because it makes it seems like intense paranoia and repression a la Cuba/Venezuela, really is the only choice for a leftist government. That's not a good thing for anybody, left or right.
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sure it isn't the only choice, there's also getting couped
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So does Morales have the military on his side? Will people go onto the streets to defend him? This is bad.
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PT6A posted:I hate poo poo like this, because it makes it seems like intense paranoia and repression a la Cuba/Venezuela, really is the only choice for a leftist government.
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That's why true socialism needs to be an international movement or it's hosed. As soon a left wing government goes full "Stalin Did Nothing Wrong" it becomes just as poo poo as capitalism, if not worse. It's encouraging to see Latin America moving to the left again though - as bad as our left wing(ish) governments are, our right wing neolib governments, ceteris paribus, are so much worse.
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Don't know if it's true, but I read some brazilian analysts saying Evo is not so sure about his support on the armed forces, and that's why he still haven't called them against the police rebellion currently going on
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Looks like the coup is underway in Bolivia. Defecting cops, rioters occupying government buildings: https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1193310910942711808?s=20
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Bolivia is really getting out of control  Governor Patricia Arce of the small town of Vinto in Cochabamba province is escorted to safety by police officers after she was kidnapped by protestors who cut her hair, covered her in red paint and forced her to sign a resignation letter. Protesters went on to ransack and set on fire the Governors office at the town hall. The protesters were reportedly enraged by the deaths of opposition supporters in some recent clashes https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50332167
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Squalid posted:Bolivia is really getting out of control Not nazi at all Holy poo poo edit: also reminds me of the cries for "ukranization" that are getting common among the brazilian far right: that's what they mean, that's the kind of stuff they intend to do here too Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/ceprdc/status/1192942390543290369?s=20 OAS siding with the golpistas as usual, what else is new. More than anything this shows the untenability of social democracy in latin america: the OAS and the local comprador elite are going to bark up your rear end about an election even if you won legitimately .
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Squalid posted:The protesters were reportedly enraged by the deaths of opposition supporters in some recent clashes yeah sure not sure if there's any point in trying to appease the rioting right wingers who won't be happy unless they get a violent capitalist coup, but i guess you might as well make it clear they're offered a second election if they're so "genuinely concerned" about the legitimacy of the first RottenK fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1193579435309568001?s=20
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The Army Chief wants Evo to step down.
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One would presume that is a picked man and if he is calling for registration Evo is in a really tight spot.
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This might be it for Morales https://twitter.com/diarioeldeber/status/1193624654860214278 Las FFAA le pide a Evo Morales que renuncie a la presidencia del Estado El comandante en jefe Williams Kaliman, leyó un comunicado en el que establece que la renuncia de Morales es muy importante para pacificar el país quote:El comandante en jefe de las Fuerzas Armadas, Williams Kaliman, acompañado por todo el mando militar en La Paz, leyó un comunicado en el que sobresale la sugerencia al presidente del Estado, Evo Morales Ayma, de que “renuncie a su mandato presidencial”.
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Great, a literal golpe de estado in South America in TYOOL 2019, gently caress's sake
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Evo should have listened to his https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbD1XDhKr8U
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There's definitely truth to this, but it's worth pointing out Morales national political career really took off back in 2003 when he helped lead protests to force the resignation of Democratically elected President Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada, and his Vice President Carlos Mesa. Carlos Mesa is today the main leader of the opposition. These are not tactics unfamiliar to Morales.
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