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Notahippie posted:I buy this argument but my reaction has been to stick with Warren because Sander's theory of change requires sustained grassroots effort and if he can't turn that out to actually win the primary then he'll probably fail to execute it as a candidate or president. So I figure that either he turns out people and wins despite me, or I vote for Warren whose insider approach will deliver incremental but not transformational change. Incremental change is just suicide that takes longer for two reasons. One, we ain't got time for that poo poo with climate change. We go big or billions die. Two, any incremental changes will be thoroughly and absolutely rat-hosed raw dog style by Republicans, their propaganda machine, the judiciary they've captured for the next 30-40 years and the wealthy elite behind most of it. To be completely fair, any large scale changes will have the same treatment and I don't put forward big changes in an optimistic light in opposition to the above. Even if we go pants-on-head loony bin optimist and say day one of President Bernie's term the country gets Medicare for All signed in to law and some insurance company CEOs get introduced to lamp posts via rope, the same scenario outlined above will take place. All those same forces will do their level best to make sure people suffer and die as much as possible to continue the narrative that government is the problem. The hideous goat rope turnstile that was ACA going back to the courts over every loving comma and letter would be cranked up to 11. The difference is that inevitable fighting wouldn't be over a half-step in sorta, kinda the right direction with a sloppy blowjob to the monied interests fighting against it anyway. It would be those same forces fighting against a big leap in the right direction that is telling them to get hosed.
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I can appreciate incremental change as a theory but I think we are getting to the point where the inflation of our shittiness is outpacing anything short of drastic changes. See climate change, for example — also I don’t believe in incremental changes for social justice, though I know it’s probably the best approach. I don’t believe we should “incrementally” stop being racist, xenophobic war mongers. I don’t think we should “incrementally” give people better health care. I don’t think we should “incrementally” combat police violence against minorities. I don’t think we should “incrementally” tru to get rid of the Nazis that are starting to pop up. And so on and so forth. I don’t think we have time anymore for incremental change from the inside. I don’t know what the solution is though.
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Nov 7, 2019 18:50
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Milo and POTUS posted:Those workers love getting hosed over if it fucks over black people If we ever end up with a no-poo poo "populism, but also racism" candidate, we're so hosed
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:still my favorite tiny desk concert ahem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdneye4pzMw
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Re: Gates https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1192234979029323777?s=19 If you're making it your life's goal to make the world better by leveraging your wealth then your billions should be shrinking because you spend more than you keep and a good person couldn't possibly blow through like 50m lifetime max including on their family? So again, can't be a good person if you're a billionaire.
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mlmp08 posted:If we ever end up with a no-poo poo "populism, but also racism" candidate, we're so hosed Um
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MA-Horus posted:He's pushing his opinions, which is what Dan Carlin always does. He's not a historian after all. there is no unbiased history, just like there is no unbiased journalism 
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Trump isn’t actually populist. He’s a crass McConnell, domestically. Imagine someone actually helping Joe/Jane Everyperson with healthcare costs and wages while simultaneously promising to turbofuck the “other.” Such a person could really go places in America.
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in other current events, 11foot8 is dead. Long live 11foot8plus8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiiEPSKrCMk The Gregson Street trestle bridge in Durham, NC is famous for exposing the hubris of truck drivers, and the contents of their trailers. Recently, the NC Railroad Company discovered that there was a grade difference between that bridge and the nearby Duke St. bridge, allowing them to raise the Gregson bridge by 8 inches. It's still over a foot shorter than the max height for trucks in the US, so we'll still have entertainment. And a giant i-beam crash bar. Fun fact, the warehouses you see in the video are mostly tobacco drying and processing warehouses. The area is supposed to smell great! more vids and pics at http://11foot8.com
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mlmp08 posted:Trump isn’t actually populist. He’s a crass McConnell, domestically. That's probably fair. And he's probably gonna win come 2024
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Populism in practice just means appealing to the worst tendencies of the dumbest people in your country, then robbing them blind.
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Casimir Radon posted:Populism in practice just means appealing to the worst tendencies of the dumbest people in your country, then robbing them blind. That’s just politics, dude.
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bird food bathtub posted:Incremental change is just suicide that takes longer for two reasons. One, we ain't got time for that poo poo with climate change. We go big or billions die. Two, any incremental changes will be thoroughly and absolutely rat-hosed raw dog style by Republicans, their propaganda machine, the judiciary they've captured for the next 30-40 years and the wealthy elite behind most of it. Hard agree with this. We are probably hosed, but if we go for further incremental change we are absolutely hosed. The system is deeply biased against actual democratically representing the will of the people, and the only way that changes (and we avoid apocalyptic climate change) is by drastic change that takes power out if the hands of those who currently hold it.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Look you dumb cunts. Even if Amazon treats their employees better they still treat them like poo poo while bezos sits around with obscene levels of money he admits he doesn't know what to do with. The entire situation is disgusting and Amazon/bezos have zero moral high ground. Absolutely none.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Look you dumb cunts. If you want time off, do it your own self. I'm not going to indulge someone who has a tantrum.
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Dwanyelle posted:Even if Amazon treats their employees better they still treat them like poo poo while bezos sits around with obscene levels of money he admits he doesn't know what to do with. Well they do have the moral high ground over worse employers, though that's really not saying much of anything. Do you ever get tired of making sweeping declarations? It makes you seem v.exciteable
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Well they do have the moral high ground over worse employers, though that's really not saying much of anything. Nah. Theres not a moral high ground amount international corporations. It doesn't matter if any particular one might be better than others in some metrics or so. The entire concept is abhorrent.
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A lot of us work directly or indirectly for the federal government so just loving lol at having a huge issue with amazon.
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Jesus loving Moses on a stick. https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1192567595011981312?s=19 https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1192569716910546945?s=19
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I generally detest the federal government, too. In fact, part of why I loathe myself is I used to be stupid enough to work for it.
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It's called consolidation; strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptibly over time.
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The bar for Amazon to go from "one of the absolute worst employers as an aggregate" to "lovely just like the rest of them" involves letting their employees pee.
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facialimpediment posted:Jesus loving Moses on a stick. gently caress a duck
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Can't wait to see even more millions of dollars be wasted that would have been better spent on literally anything else.
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People get mad about wasting money on fireworks but at least they bring some spark of joy to more than ones self. An obviously wasted campaign... why
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That Works posted:People get mad about wasting money on fireworks but at least they bring some spark of joy to more than ones self. Well...when the fireworks dont give puppies heartattacks or cause then such stress their eyes rupture sure...
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That Works posted:People get mad about wasting money on fireworks but at least they bring some spark of joy to more than ones self. Most likely a desperate attempt to torpedo Warren. Objectively speaking, if current trends continue and the polling isn't horrifically inaccurate everywhere, she's probably the most likely person to be the nominee, and her plans for increased regulation on Wall Street and taxing wealth has got the the billionaire class clutching pearls like nothing else.
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That Works posted:People get mad about wasting money on fireworks but at least they bring some spark of joy to more than ones self. He will probably also wind up signing up as an independent to try to split the vote if he doesn't get the nomination, cause he's scared of Bernie and Warren.
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Being a billionaire is the most unpatriotic thing you can be
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drat ol Mayor Burns is probably gonna threaten to split the ticket if his policy choices don't get incorporated into the party platform. No more billionaires
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If I were a billionaire I'd use my vast wealth to improve the world. But I'm not a sociopath, and therefore my chances of ever having that kind of money aren't really worth mentioning.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50338231quote:A New York judge has ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2m (£1.6m) for misusing funds from his charity to finance his 2016 political campaign. I am shocked.
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I’m imagining a general election between two lovely New York billionaires with authoritarian aspirations and I can feel my blood pressure climbing to levels more commonly seen in commercial pressure washers.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I’m imagining a general election between two lovely New York billionaires with authoritarian aspirations and I can feel my blood pressure climbing to levels more commonly seen in commercial pressure washers. There would be no functional difference between the outcome of that race and the one between Kang and Kodos on The Simpsons.
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