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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

So what's happening with Kentucky now? Is Bevin trying to steal the election?

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Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Grouchio posted:

So what's happening with Kentucky now? Is Bevin trying to steal the election?

Temper tantrum, but according to rules put in place by Republicans recounts don't really do poo poo in KY and the special session he'll no doubt end up requesting won't do much either if they actually follow the rules of the law they're referring to. Of course since a gov veto can be overridden by a simple majority vote of the assembly which is supermajority Republican it doesn't really matter anyway, Beshear's only going to be able to fix medicaid and that's about it.

funkymonks
Aug 31, 2004

Pillbug

theflyingorc posted:

Yeah, the simplest way to make the electoral college defanged is to increase the size of the house a lot

Just out of curiosity has anyone done the math to what the 2016 Electoral Map would look like if we had twice as many (or whatever) members of the House / electoral votes, apportioned appropriately? I did a cursory search but only found a 538 post on what the Electoral Map looks like with some additional states.

karthun
Nov 16, 2006

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

funkymonks posted:

Just out of curiosity has anyone done the math to what the 2016 Electoral Map would look like if we had twice as many (or whatever) members of the House / electoral votes, apportioned appropriately? I did a cursory search but only found a 538 post on what the Electoral Map looks like with some additional states.

I did the math quick, with 974 EV's Trump would have 550 and Hillary would have 424. This assumes no fuckery with Maine and Nebraska, DC goes from 3 to 4 EV's and no faithless electors.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Yeah the senate is rarely the deciding factor in the electoral college. Winner-takes-all is a bigger issue than the non-proportional vote counts.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Oracle posted:

Temper tantrum, but according to rules put in place by Republicans recounts don't really do poo poo in KY and the special session he'll no doubt end up requesting won't do much either if they actually follow the rules of the law they're referring to. Of course since a gov veto can be overridden by a simple majority vote of the assembly which is supermajority Republican it doesn't really matter anyway, Beshear's only going to be able to fix medicaid and that's about it.
Yet much like the Doolittle Raids; a propaganda victory for Dems

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Grouchio posted:

Yet much like the Doolittle Raids; a propaganda victory for Dems

Well for them and the 100K people who get to keep their healthcare

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

cheetah7071 posted:

Seattle is losing its socialist city council member

Her opponent was being funneled money by Amazon hard and ran a really scummy campaign and I guess it worked

https://twitter.com/GoldyHA/status/...ingawful.com%2F

The ballots are still being counted, but it looks like she's on track to top the Amazon guy.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

The Glumslinger posted:

Well for them and the 100K people who get to keep their healthcare

a Beshear win would save the lives of at least two of my extended family

who very likely voted for Bevin

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

theflyingorc posted:

Yeah, the simplest way to make the electoral college defanged is to increase the size of the house a lot

I think Madison thought max size of 1500.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/GoldyHA/status/...ingawful.com%2F

The ballots are still being counted, but it looks like she's on track to top the Amazon guy.

hell yeah

shame about our state's roads still but I'll take it

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/GoldyHA/status/...ingawful.com%2F

The ballots are still being counted, but it looks like she's on track to top the Amazon guy.

That owns.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Why is Amazon trying to vote out socialists again?

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Grouchio posted:

Why is Amazon trying to vote out socialists again?

I assume the socialists want to tax them and make them pay a fairer share to society like funding transit and housing

SousaphoneColossus
Feb 16, 2004

There are a million reasons to ruin things.

Solaris 2.0 posted:

I assume the socialists want to tax them and make them pay a fairer share to society like funding transit and housing

ding ding ding
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/how-amazon-helped-kill-a-seattle-tax-on-business/562736/

generic one
Oct 2, 2004

I wish I was a little bit taller
I wish I was a baller
I wish I had a wookie in a hat with a bat
And a six four Impala


Nap Ghost

Grouchio posted:

Why is Amazon trying to vote out socialists again?

It’s not just socialists, it’s anyone who isn’t seen as being corporate-friendly. They’ve dropped a ton of dough, well, couch change to them, on backing candidates who are likely to be more than happy to cater to every whim of big business in Seattle. Especially those that wouldn’t reconsider a corporate head tax.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1192949282929696768

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Apparently this happened in her first election too

socialists mail their ballots in at the last minute, apparently

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

cheetah7071 posted:

Apparently this happened in her first election too

socialists mail their ballots in at the last minute, apparently

I was talking to a friend about this - apparently she's afraid the mail will lose her ballot and she really likes the solidarity of dropping off her ballot with friends on voting day?

I like getting my ballot in a few days ahead of time because I want to be in that first counted batch.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
I voted the Saturday before election day cause I had a bunch of errands to do and just added voting to the list of things I had to get done that day

Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug

cheetah7071 posted:

I voted the Saturday before election day cause I had a bunch of errands to do and just added voting to the list of things I had to get done that day

That sounds so nice.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

silicone thrills posted:

I was talking to a friend about this - apparently she's afraid the mail will lose her ballot and she really likes the solidarity of dropping off her ballot with friends on voting day?

I like getting my ballot in a few days ahead of time because I want to be in that first counted batch.

I do this because I just keep forgetting to mail mine in until election day

But yeah, being able to just fill out my ballot at home and being able to take my time to google poo poo is very nice. It should be the national standard

The Maroon Hawk
May 10, 2008

silicone thrills posted:

I was talking to a friend about this - apparently she's afraid the mail will lose her ballot and she really likes the solidarity of dropping off her ballot with friends on voting day?

I like getting my ballot in a few days ahead of time because I want to be in that first counted batch.

I’m not afraid of the mail losing my ballot but I do find the feeling of dropping it in a ballot box to be oddly rewarding, plus there’s one at a train station along my commute to work so I can just hop off, drop it off, and catch the next train

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1192966524912513024

Yay!

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Context?

Rea
Apr 5, 2011

Komi-san won.
Boudin is a D.A. who's endorsed by Sanders. His opponent is your standard cop-friendly prosecutor. Given that SF is a huge city, changing the D.A. from a legal cop to a Sanders-endorsed reformist is good.

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
Loftus was appointed to fill in for an outgoing DA in the last month to give her an incumbency boost. She was also endorsed by Kamala Harris, so seeing Harris eat poo poo in her home state is satisfying.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1192988217353613312?s=21

Before Tuesday everyone thought the D’s flipping the Senate was a given but flipping the House would be a tougher challenge.

It ended up being the opposite, with Democrats just scratching out a majority in the Senate but absolutely stomping Republicans in the House.

Not sure what to make of that, but I think if anything, it’ll lead to an even more progressive upcoming agenda as House Dems will be emboldened while Senate Dems might still feel some pressure to compromise, they at least don’t have to think about re-election for another 4 years so might be more willing to go along with whatever the House cooks up.

Jackson Taus
Oct 19, 2011

Ballz posted:

https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1192988217353613312?s=21

Before Tuesday everyone thought the D’s flipping the Senate was a given but flipping the House would be a tougher challenge.

It ended up being the opposite, with Democrats just scratching out a majority in the Senate but absolutely stomping Republicans in the House.

Not sure what to make of that, but I think if anything, it’ll lead to an even more progressive upcoming agenda as House Dems will be emboldened while Senate Dems might still feel some pressure to compromise, they at least don’t have to think about re-election for another 4 years so might be more willing to go along with whatever the House cooks up.

I mean, the reason everyone thought flipping the Senate was a given was because John Bell was an easy pickup in SD-13 (we came within 5 points with a first-time candidate in 2015, and this time the incumbent retired and we were running a Delegate while the seat spent 4 years getting bluer demographically), not because the other battlegrounds were particularly easy.

Presto
Nov 22, 2002

Keep calm and Harry on.
The VA Dems elected the first female speaker of the house in Virginia's history.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

Jackson Taus posted:

I mean, the reason everyone thought flipping the Senate was a given was because John Bell was an easy pickup in SD-13 (we came within 5 points with a first-time candidate in 2015, and this time the incumbent retired and we were running a Delegate while the seat spent 4 years getting bluer demographically), not because the other battlegrounds were particularly easy.

I guess. But living in Hampton Roads, it was a bummer seeing two Senate seats stay R when pretty much everything else flipped. Especially Bill DeSteph winning, whose response to the mass shooting IN HIS DISTRICT was pretty much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least Rocky Holcomb wasn't able to win back the seat he lost two years ago so he won't be going back to Richmond. On a related note, a white supremacist Holcomb was associated with also just lost his defamation lawsuit over being called a white supremacist, on account that it can't be defamation if it's true.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?
It's worth noting too that the Senate didn't get any of the court-ordered gerrymandering reduction that the House did, so this election was carried out on the same maps drawn in 2011. Given that, it's drat impressive that the Democrats won even a slim majority; those maps were designed to stand up to a pretty sizeable wave. Basically every structural factor in the electoral system in Virginia has been designed to ensure right wing dominance since the end of Reconstruction and especially since the Civil Rights Movement, from the off-year elections designed to ensure that only motivated white people vote to the natural gerrymandering of the urban-rural divide to the artificial gerrymandering of the district maps to the photo ID laws. Hell, even most local races are in off years for maximum insulation from waves.

The good news is, we managed to overcome all those factors, even if only by a relatively slim margin, and a majority is a majority. There's enough mediocre Democrats in the legislature taking money from Dominion and the Chamber of Commerce that I won't get my hopes up for ending "Right to Work" or breaking Dominion's hold on our politics, but we can definitely do a bunch of good and make sure the maps for the next election aren't designed to minimize the influence of the majority of the population, which will make the next steps easier.

It'll be more important than ever for the next two years for VA goons to pressure their state legislators; they'll need to feel they've got the support of their constituents to actually use their majority for more than just the safe lowest common denominator of good policy, and they'll need to feel the heat if they don't. I'll be paying a lot of attention to what the environmental and labor activists are saying, because those are the areas Northam and the squishy Dems in the caucus have been squishiest on.

Abner Assington
Mar 13, 2005

For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god. Bloody Mary, full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now, at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon.

Amen.
Wait. There's a group called Dominion? And they're the baddies?

This simulation is broken.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Abner Assington posted:

Wait. There's a group called Dominion? And they're the baddies?

This simulation is broken.

Dominion Energy is Virginia's state-chartered energy monopoly, yeah, although they also have operations in other states. They're a huge influence on state level politics and on local Richmond politics; by contributing massively to politicians of both parties, using a tiny fraction of their money to sponsor arts and culture to seem benign, and capturing the regulatory body the legislature delegated to oversee them, they've managed to become probably the most powerful entity in Virginia politics. They routinely get away with overcharging customers and doing major projects without going through permitting processes. They've even managed to get the (Democratic-controlled) Richmond city government to pitch a downtown "revitalization" with a vanity project arena at its core, financed by signing away all increases in tax revenue in much of the downtown, basically as a personal project of Dominion's CEO Tom Farrell.

Now, there are cracks in their dominance. The surge in political activism following 2016 has led to pipeline projects in the western part of the state and power line projects in the eastern part of the state facing popular and institutional backlash, and a bunch of the new delegates elected in the last two cycles have sworn off Dominion's money. They've definitely not lost all their influence with the Democratic majority, but now there's an actual fight.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Abner Assington posted:

Wait. There's a group called Dominion? And they're the baddies?

This simulation is broken.

Well Virginia is the “Old Dominion” so it isn’t that weird that it has institutions that reflect that name.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

Darkrai used Dream Eater!
It's super effective!


Louisiana just reelected John Bel Edwards.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
And Democrats broke the Republican supermajority in the state legislature which means Bel Edwards have viable veto now, and can veto gerrymandered redistricting maps in 2021

Old Kentucky Shark
May 25, 2012

If you think you're gonna get sympathy from the shark, well then, you won't.


drat, that's actually really impressive.

Kentucky was a fluke -- even losing the governorship, Republicans still ended up net +1 positions statewide and if anyone but Bevin had been on the ticket they would have swept the board -- but a D hold in Louisiana with a milquetoast D vs a milquetoast R despite constant Trump rallies is actually a pretty good indicator for 2020.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

:whatup:

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King of Solomon
Oct 23, 2008

S S

Nth Doctor posted:

Louisiana just reelected John Bel Edwards.

Oh drat, I was confident that if he had to face off against a serious challenger (with no diaper scandals) that he'd lose for sure. Good on Louisiana.

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