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bowser
Apr 7, 2007

https://twitter.com/AidanKingVT/status/1192979887402967041?s=19

I really hope Jones runs and wins the Dem primary. He's the best shot to beat McConnell.

https://twitter.com/LeslieProll/status/1192930382963867648?s=19

I have my issues with elected judges but still, this is yet another case of the GOP subverting democracy when it doesn't go their way.

https://twitter.com/cthonicgoddess/status/1192922140753854465?s=19

Hmmmm....

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PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
terrible people : people keep making fun of our face blindness when we say all brown haired women are the same crisis actor. How do we stop that?

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
Matt Jones would win, wouldn't he?

AmiYumi
Oct 10, 2005

I FORGOT TO HAIL KING TORG

PhazonLink posted:

terrible people : people keep making fun of our face blindness when we say all brown haired women are the same crisis actor. How do we stop that?
LOL, whoever that rando is, they’re having a meltdown in response to people not realizing their emptyquote post was “ironic”. Maybe indicate that in any way next time?

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


I’m not advocating that, I’m not saying that sick people pay more than healthy people though. Everyone pays a little more on their taxes to fund the scheme rather than spending on insurance premiums. The raise in taxes will likely be much less than current premiums so everyone should make a saving in real terms.
The UK NHS is funded by National Insurance which all working people pay in accordance to their tax band. Every citizen is covered regardless of age or working status.
If you went the way of a lot of Europe and Australia then everyone would be covered by the National scheme and you can opt in to buy extra coverage from insurance companies if you want.

Edit: Americans refusing to pay taxes is why you don’t have nice things.

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011

Prester Jane posted:

I feel pretty confident that a number of oosters here believe that the only real failing with Obamacare was that Republicans/Trump sabotaged it. (That's why they're trying to quibble about the definition of the word "reform" rather than address the substance of my arguments.)

But I’ve read all the posts and honestly the only person arguing, wrongly, the definition of the word reform is you, and the only motive I can see to do that is so you can argue that the ACA wasn’t a reform so you can be right. And you’re being kind of lovely about it because many posters have absolutely acknowledged the flaws in the ACA bill and rollout. This isn’t about your posting generally, it’s a pointed example of a case where you use the tactics you claim to abhor in your own arguments and positions.

I await being told how I just don’t understand the definition of a word because of my privilege.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Ice Phisherman posted:

Graham is a craven political survivor who correctly saw that Trump would be the end of the republican party, or at least the party as it was understood. However, he knuckled under. Specifically why I couldn't tell you, but in general, Graham is a bootlicker and will go along with the party because that's what keeps him in power and flush with donations.


What's sad is that the moment Trump loses power, they'll abandon everything about Trump. In terms of what the republican party claimed to stand for, almost all of is has been badmouthed or betrayed by Trump. The republicans don't really stand for anything except for white supremacy. The base will move on fast from Trump because he's not providing them with the acceleration of internal purges that fascists want.

Trump will be Reagan 2.0.

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1192967262678003712

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

My man survives a polite conversation with some wine moms and thinks he’s a badass

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1192832049754857473

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

dude sounded like he was about to bawl when loving Megan "love me dead daddy" mecain got mad at him

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1192911118538289153

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Bloomberg is in epstein's little black book. :)

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!



Lotta flappy titties in this pic

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Rand Paul picking out the bits of the Constitution he likes and ignoring the rest I see.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset




Half of these men and all of the presidents in this picture have spent a lot of time around Jeffrey Epstein.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
So chuds across the internet are spamming the whistleblowers identity. It does nothing to help Trump with the general public and if anything happens to the guy it will be not so good for PR. What a waste of energy

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!



He's such a pathetic, try-hard, silverspoon, weak-chinned dickhead.

Congrats on not being absolutely scorched to dust by *checks notes* Joy Behar?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

oxsnard posted:

So chuds across the internet are spamming the whistleblowers identity. It does nothing to help Trump with the general public and if anything happens to the guy it will be not so good for PR. What a waste of energy

if its the Obama appointee, he isnt the whistleblower.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Dapper_Swindler posted:

dude sounded like he was about to bawl when loving Megan "love me dead daddy" mecain got mad at him

Some people just get weepy in stressful situations, myself included, so I can't hold that against him. That being said, those memes are pretty weird.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Dammerung posted:

Some people just get weepy in stressful situations, myself included, so I can't hold that against him. That being said, those memes are pretty weird.

i get that. but Junior is pure projection so it wouldnt surprise me if he can't handle direct confrontation.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Dapper_Swindler posted:

i get that. but Junior is pure projection so it wouldnt surprise me if he can't handle direct confrontation.

Agreed, and that's something that I can't really respect. Some people can't handle being yelled at or being directly challenged as well as others, and that can be okay - it just means that you have to pursue alternative avenues to provide constructive criticism. Those people probably shouldn't be ones castigating others for perceived weakness, though. That kind of projection is just upsetting!

Illuminti
Dec 3, 2005

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

empty whippet box posted:

This is crazy, I've never known cats to have that kind of intelligence.

My cat used to regularly "save" me at the top of the stairs. I always thought it was just play attacking me. Turns out it was a warning to be careful.

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog



lol dude looked like he was gonna cry the whole time

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
cookies need love
Well drat
https://crosscut.com/2019/11/kshama-sawant-surges-ahead-paving-way-seattles-most-progressive-council-years
After trailing by 8.4 percentage points on election night, Sawant now leads Egan Orion by 513 votes

Well drat again
https://missionlocal.org/2019/11/s-f-election-update-a-watershed-moment-for-chesa-boudin-and-dean-preston/
With provisional ballots making up the vast majority of outstanding votes, challengers Boudin and Preston are in the catbird seat

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1192937790520119296

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Just put "reject modernity" bumper stickers on your cars if that's what you care about drat

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan
he's such a huge pussy that facing whoopi goldberg and not crying was his Vietnam

edit: also why was his mistress there with him? is it normal for authors or politicians or...anybody to just bring the person they're dating onto the show with them?

InsertPotPun fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Nov 9, 2019

Dad Jokes
May 25, 2011

I cannot wait for Trump to be kicked out of office so we can stop hearing about the clowncar of hosed up trump offspring coasting off their name into political relevancy.

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers

InsertPotPun posted:



edit: also why was his mistress there with him?

grift and possibly as a human shield for junior

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person


What the gently caress is this? An attempt to pull back from full fascism?

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


InsertPotPun posted:

he's such a huge pussy that facing whoopi goldberg and not crying was his Vietnam

edit: also why was his mistress there with him? is it normal for authors or politicians or...anybody to just bring the person they're dating onto the show with them?

he was scared to be there alone

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


refusing to be interviewed without your girlfriend protecting you is equivalent to starting your book with I'M NOT MAD

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1193014569561710592

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
"reject modernity" , huh so regressives have finally heard of post modernism huh.

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1192907335267733505

https://twitter.com/JasonMillerinDC/status/1192927280198279169

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

BiggerBoat posted:

I'd like to see a comprehensive study done that clearly demonstrates the actual net income savings or losses for an average person under a M4A system. Like, I've seen the CBO estimates but what does this mean for your average person's budget?

Let's face it, all most people tend to see is "paycheck went up" or "paycheck went down" but I'd gladly take a $2000 annual reduction in pay if it meant I had no deductible, my son's ER visits and epilepsy meds were covered, and my depression meds and therapy were paid for. Or if didn't have to weigh cost as a factor before deciding whether to get those heart palpitations or that bump on my balls checked out.

I follow the democratic candidates and I'm still not sure exactly how much "MAH TAXES" going up tangibly effects my bottom line. The people in my income bracket who received a "tax cut" under Trump never factored in their decreased refunds and only saw "MAH check is BIGGER this week". That's stupid and short sighted but, in terms of optics, it absolutely matters and I'd like to see more done to address this perception at least within the Democratic platform. If they can come out and definitively state that, on average, the typical American household will see little or no change (or even an overall savings) in their annual costs, they need to bust out some charts and graphs if they're going to run on it.

I suspect most people would come out ahead overall (or even) but a lot of them, who didn't routinely need to see a doctor, hadn't had a kid or who didn't need to visit a hospital at all would see a net decrease in their income. This is a tough sell politically because no one assumes they're going to have a burst appendix or need a triple bypass anytime soon so, in their eyes, they're simply making less money. I'd be interested to see what your average person making, say, $40,000 would net after you eliminated premiums, deductibles, co-pays, prescription costs and what have you once healthcare costs were universal. A person like that who does their taxes the first year under a Sanders or Warren administration and sees they made only $38,000 that year is gonna pitch a fit about socialism.

Again, it's kind of dumb thinking since, if nothing else, they're making slightly less a year in order to guarantee that they'll never, EVER, go bankrupt from medical bills but most assholes won't look at it that way and will just see it as them paying for other people being sick and for a service they never use. Seems to me also that democrats could play up how much this will help the VA and care for "R TROOPS" in a more meaningful way. I also suspect it will help address the issue of homeless. poo poo, you could even frame it as encouraging innovation and the entrepreneurial spirit since, let's face it, how many people put off starting their own businesses simply because they need employer based health care? I know I did and know many others who couldn't afford the risk. Tell those people, "yes, that's a possibility you will earn slightly less money this year. But if you have a child or suffer a serious illness, you don't have to pay for it the rest of your life."

Message this poo poo in ways that effect the day to day lives of everyone and not just for the sick. It's simple and best of all it's true so you don't have to spin it. Ask them why it is that hospitals and drug companies feel compelled to ADVERTISE and point out what a waste of money that is. That's always baffled me. "Ask your doctor". Bitch, my doctor should be telling ME. Why do these commercials have paragraphs of 4 point type fine print? Why is their a loving billboard for my area hospital? If I get in a car crash and need air lifting, I'm not about to invoke brand loyalty while I'm bleeding out.

Also, I don't entirely understand why a platform like Warren's needs to totally eliminate private insurance. You're talking about a systematic overhaul and a complete eradication of like 20% of the economy, with millions of workers that need to be moved, which will be rocky and people are gonna freak out. What's wrong with a private insurer offering Super Gold Diamond Platinum healthcare coverage on top of M4A for people who want to feel superior and carry around a fancy card that covers boob jobs or penis implants and poo poo? Seems to me you could still have that business even with everyone enrolled in a public system.

Lastly, my libertarian former brother in law raised a good point once and asked me where all the doctors were going to come from once we have a massive of increase in people seeking healthcare and treatment that used to just tough it out or seek over the counter remedies because they simply couldn't afford it and my only answer was to invest the savings into education to create more doctors. But I honestly wasn't sure if I was talking out of my rear end because this poo poo is complicated and seemed like a legit practical question.

Dog, I am 100% with you. As a father of a topiramate kid, loving poo poo is like amazing. He's done with seizure and now that TOPAMax is no longer patent I can afford to have steak with my wife once a month rather than going down to 2 meals. loving poo poo. I'm sorry but kids hurt and you would give your left arm to make them healthy.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Dad Jokes posted:

I cannot wait for Trump to be kicked out of office so we can stop hearing about the clowncar of hosed up trump offspring coasting off their name into political relevancy.

You know me as K, but I am in fact Donald Trump Jr. I faked my death in 2023 because the deep state was planning on assassinating me. For nearly a decade, I have been working in the shadows to restore America to its true patriots. I am speaking up now because Chelsea Clinton stole the recent presidential election from Robert James Ritchie Jr. If we do not act now, we will not have a country to come back to. In the past we could work with sensible Democrats like Joe Biden and even her father Bill Clinton to pass bipartisan legislation but Chelsea is the farthest left candidate in this history of this country.

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Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

BiggerBoat posted:

I get all that.

What I'm looking for is a practical savings analysis that can be presented to an average person as "yes your taxes may go up slightly BUT..." in a way that makes sense to people too dumb to realize that they'll no longer have to worry about a catastrophic medical bill rendering them bankrupt when their main concern is making monthly payments on their Ford Explorer and ANYTHING that eats into their paycheck will be seen as an "expense" and a net negative. It's wrong but that's how wage earners view things.

MOST PEOPLE only look at THAT number, especially those living check to check . Unfortunately, that's not only a dumb way to think but also a stark reality for a majority of Americans right now who absolutely WILL blame democrats when not only did they not get a raise this year, but they're demonstrably earning less.

Assuming that's even the case which is what I'm asking.

This Guardian piece by two economists sums it up, using a 7.5 percent payroll tax as a baseline.

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