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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Edge & Christian posted:

Nothin' beats the married life
Stabbin' folks with your married knife

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Okay, nobody got me a knife when I got married what the poo poo

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lifg
Dec 4, 2000
<this tag left blank>
Muldoon

Rhyno posted:

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Okay, nobody got me a knife when I got married what the poo poo

I got a cake cutter. It is not sharp, or useful.

Also, congrats Gavok!

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Rhyno posted:

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Okay, nobody got me a knife when I got married what the poo poo
Look we can't handhold you through the entire registry process

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Rhyno posted:

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Okay, nobody got me a knife when I got married what the poo poo

We got cutlery. Have you ever tried stabbing someone with a butter knife?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I'm hoping you guys can help me with something. My local comic shop is doing a big sale this weekend. I went intending just to get manga, as you do, but the manga section wasn't great. And it turned out they had a massive clearance section, with tons of American comics for 1-3 bucks each. NGL, I kinda wilded out. I'm not really familiar with any of the stuff I got. Is literally any of this worth reading?

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Gripweed posted:

I'm hoping you guys can help me with something. My local comic shop is doing a big sale this weekend. I went intending just to get manga, as you do, but the manga section wasn't great. And it turned out they had a massive clearance section, with tons of American comics for 1-3 bucks each. NGL, I kinda wilded out. I'm not really familiar with any of the stuff I got. Is literally any of this worth reading?



Thunderbolts and maybe Stormwatch.

Rhyno posted:

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Okay, nobody got me a knife when I got married what the poo poo

I got two knives. I gotta tell you, this is pretty terrific.

The wedding was an absolute blast and the weather was perfect. Mostly traditional, but some fun stuff in there:

- For the waiting music for the ceremony, I had a CD made up of a guy from YouTube doing soft piano medleys of Mega Man 2, Mega Man 3 and Ducktales.

- Cocktail hour had a mac and cheese bar where they'd serve it to you in a martini glass.

- They made sure to leave an entire tray of pigs in a blanket on my table because I am king.

- The best man's speech was an attempted roast that did NOT land at all, so when I heckled him, I became one of those things_that_never_happened.txt protagonists. It was the best.

- By the end of the night, I was drunkenly doing a lip sync performance to "Seagulls (Stop It Now)."

- Waffle sundae bar.

- Our party favors were those Cracker Barrel peg games with our initials and the date carved on the other side.

The only downside was that the bride's initial idea for the first look was to have her friend surprise me while dressed in a dinosaur costume. Sadly, that fell through.

Gavok fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Nov 3, 2019

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Madkal posted:

We got cutlery. Have you ever tried stabbing someone with a butter knife?

I've gotten stabbed with a Spoon before if that helps

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad
The Great Twist

Gripweed posted:

I'm hoping you guys can help me with something. My local comic shop is doing a big sale this weekend. I went intending just to get manga, as you do, but the manga section wasn't great. And it turned out they had a massive clearance section, with tons of American comics for 1-3 bucks each. NGL, I kinda wilded out. I'm not really familiar with any of the stuff I got. Is literally any of this worth reading?



Sachs and Violens isn't too bad from what I recall!

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Gavok posted:

Thunderbolts and maybe Stormwatch.

Agreed, except I would have said Stormwatch and maybe Thunderbolts.

Congrats again, Gavok! We just celebrated our tenth anniversary. Sounds like you had an awesome wedding, and now the key is to try to make every day just as pleasant. Obviously it won't always happen, but you both keep trying no matter what.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

My congrats to Gavok.

My condolences to Gripweed on purchasing X-Men The Hidden Years, Thunderstrike, American Dream, Force Works, Young Inhumans, and Celestial Quest.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Gripweed posted:

I'm hoping you guys can help me with something. My local comic shop is doing a big sale this weekend. I went intending just to get manga, as you do, but the manga section wasn't great. And it turned out they had a massive clearance section, with tons of American comics for 1-3 bucks each. NGL, I kinda wilded out. I'm not really familiar with any of the stuff I got. Is literally any of this worth reading?



Sort of a mixed bag! Thunderbolts is a classic and Stormwatch is not bad at all, albeit very of its time. If S.W.O.R.D. is the Kieron Gillen book it is a fun read. I think Justice Leage 3001 and Empowered have their fans although the latter is definitely not for everyone. I don't care for it but I know a number of posters here could offer a pretty enthusiastic endorsement of it.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Gripweed posted:

If Superman is a good guy because of the values instilled in him by the Kents, wouldn't he be a bad guy if he was raised by the Luthors?

According to a bunch of stupid, stupid Elseworlds, Superman is eventually good even if he's raised by Darkseid, because he's just inherently, magically virtuous, and his innate goodness just needs an excuse to come out from under his fascist upbringing.

Gavok posted:

I didn't get to take part in much Halloween stuff this year since I had something more important going on the next day.



Featuring former BSS mod hermanos as one of the groomsmen!

Congrats Gavok! Hope your marriage is as happy as uh.... *nervously flips through comic book couples to find one that wasn't violently broken up to boost sales* Mister Miracle and Big Barda's!

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Nov 3, 2019

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


That is A+ taste in cuff links and music.

Did you get the same cake as Donny Cates? He got married on Halloween. Might have been able to get a 2 for 1 deal.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Gavok posted:

Thunderbolts and maybe Stormwatch.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

Agreed, except I would have said Stormwatch and maybe Thunderbolts.

A Strange Aeon posted:

Sachs and Violens isn't too bad from what I recall!

Archyduchess posted:

Sort of a mixed bag! Thunderbolts is a classic and Stormwatch is not bad at all, albeit very of its time. If S.W.O.R.D. is the Kieron Gillen book it is a fun read. I think Justice Leage 3001 and Empowered have their fans although the latter is definitely not for everyone. I don't care for it but I know a number of posters here could offer a pretty enthusiastic endorsement of it.

X-O posted:

My condolences to Gripweed on purchasing X-Men The Hidden Years, Thunderstrike, American Dream, Force Works, Young Inhumans, and Celestial Quest.

Alright, good to know there's some decent stuff in there. I'm bummed to hear that Thunderstrike is bad, "What if there was a second, cooler Thor" sounded like a good premise. But I'm glad to see that nobody has anything bad to say about Vampblade

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Open Marriage Night posted:

That is A+ taste in cuff links and music.

Did you get the same cake as Donny Cates? He got married on Halloween. Might have been able to get a 2 for 1 deal.



That rules, but no. I wanted to use Waluigi and Rosalina (our Mario Party mains) amiibos as cake toppers, but I got vetoed.

I was also vetoed on having us leave the ceremony to the hotdog song from Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, but that was probably for the better.

She did get me this as a wedding gift, which is rad as hell.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


That is an amazing watch.

While we're talking about Venom stuff, I've been meaning to ask if Absolute Carnage, or any of the tie ins, have been any good.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
I haven't been feeling much of anything Cates has done at Marvel but the basic storyline of Absolute Carnage is, and I'm not even sure if this deserves spoiler tags:

1) Every time a symbiote bonds with someone it leaves a Codex hidden in their spine which is like a power-up for other symbiotes.
2) Carnage is eating everyone's spines and powering up to become Super Saiyan Carnage and unleash Knull God of Symbiotes from his Symbiote Jail
3) Carnage eats a lot of spines and gets become Super Carnage
4) The Maker and some good guys build a machine to suck the power-up Codices from people's spine before Carnage can and destroy them so he can't become Super Duper Carnage
5) Oh no, the Maker was actually hoarding Codex Power-Ups in his machine! And Super Carnage ate more spines and is Super Duper Carnage!
6) Venom cracks open the machine and eats the Codex Power-Ups stored in the machine, and becomes Super Duper Venom!
7) TO BE CONCLUDED

All of the tie-ins as best as I can tell are about people getting taken over or eating spines or getting their spines eaten for the Super Duper Showdown. The Immortal Hulk tie-in is decent.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Sounds about right. Last issue I read was the one where Brock becomes Agent Venom after getting Flash’s codex from the Maker.

Have they really not used this as an excuse to give Spider-Man the black costume again? Or a symbiote for Miles?

Song on at the bar just mentioned symbiosis as I was typing this post. Then the Micronauts.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Miles got infected with a carnage symbiote for 3 issues does that count

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

site posted:

Miles got infected with a carnage symbiote for 3 issues does that count

I'm honestly shocked they went that long without putting a symbiote on him

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
Honestly what really surprises me is that it's nowhere near as stupid and edgy of an event as you'd think it would be, I mean it is still stupid and edgy, but at a level that makes sense

I will be kinda annoyed though if Carnage survives this event though, cause there really is no good reason at all why they shouldn't just shoot him into the sun or something by the time this all ends

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Gripweed posted:

I'm hoping you guys can help me with something. My local comic shop is doing a big sale this weekend. I went intending just to get manga, as you do, but the manga section wasn't great. And it turned out they had a massive clearance section, with tons of American comics for 1-3 bucks each. NGL, I kinda wilded out. I'm not really familiar with any of the stuff I got. Is literally any of this worth reading?


Empowered is comedy manga-adjace porn, so it's enjoyable enough. Thunderbolts is a good buy. Stormwatch is pretty okay. The Counter X books were at least trying something. X-Men SWORD is, indeed, the Gillen book and quite good, though the art might be an acquired taste.

Starsnostars
Jan 17, 2009

The Master of Magnetism
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/11/06/orbital-comics-london-stop-selling-new-weekly-comics/

Orbital Comics, one of the central London comic book shops and my former local comic shop when I lived in London is going to stop selling new weekly comics.

The Bleeding Cool article says that they'll continue on and I'm curious as to how well they'll do. They've always hosted interesting events (I popped in to see their Phillip Bond excibition when I was in London last week). I hope it does well, it was always my favourite of the London stores.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
I was gonna post something about the Question in PYF yesterday and I went looking at the Steve Ditko wikipedia article, and it's got a picture of him as a high school senior and hmm



hmmm



(sorry if this is really old news i just thought it was funny)

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



I preordered Charles Soule's upcoming novel since I liked his last one well enough. If you did so and sent him a copy of the receipt, he'd send you a special gift. So that came today. A prerelease of the first chapter, plus this letter from the novel's world. Seems I will be the body host for someone interesting!




I'm sure nothing will go wrong.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


What a revoltin’ development!

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I don't like to be negative, but the American Dream miniseries is not very good. It also helps me understand why MC2 didn't really take off. I always assumed it was supposed to be set in the near future, but apparently it's set in modern time but in an alternate timeline where the sliding timeframe for Marvel characters eventually stopped sliding? That's confusing. It also means that instead of Futuristic Avengers in the year 2025! it's just, slightly different and much worse Avengers now.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Gripweed posted:

I don't like to be negative, but the American Dream miniseries is not very good. It also helps me understand why MC2 didn't really take off. I always assumed it was supposed to be set in the near future, but apparently it's set in modern time but in an alternate timeline where the sliding timeframe for Marvel characters eventually stopped sliding? That's confusing. It also means that instead of Futuristic Avengers in the year 2025! it's just, slightly different and much worse Avengers now.

What? Surely you're not suggesting that a line that included classic characters like Wild Thing and J2 could be bad!

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

Random Stranger posted:

What? Surely you're not suggesting that a line that included classic characters like Wild Thing and J2 could be bad!

Surely you're not suggesting that a line written almost entirely by Tom DeFalco could be bad!

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

J2 seems like an especially odd choice. Like, a lot of the characters are defined by their relationships to older Marvel characters. Which I don't think is a great choice, but at least it makes for like, SpiderGirl and American Dream. Those are based off big name characters. But Juggernaut? And J2 isn't just the son of Juggernaut, he's literally named Juggernaut 2, except shortened so you have to already be familiar with Juggernaut to even know what the guy's name is. Was Juggernaut really so big in the 90s they could make one of the flagship characters in this new venture so inextricably tied to him?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
X-Men were a much bigger deal than like, The Avengers at the time and Juggernaut was one of their more popular villains. Plus he's super powerful and has a powerset that's actually understandable, where most X villains in the 90's had some vague version of "energy absorption"

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

The X-Men: Sword miniseries isn't very good. Way too quippy. Also, what the gently caress happened to Beast?!



He looks like Booga, but horrifying. When did Beast become a kangaroo monster?

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

there was a period with beast where they seem to have just told artists to do whatever they felt like with him so you got that, you got the beast that looked like Ron Perlman from the 90s Beauty and the Beast series, they were all over the map

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Gripweed posted:

I don't like to be negative, but the American Dream miniseries is not very good. It also helps me understand why MC2 didn't really take off. I always assumed it was supposed to be set in the near future, but apparently it's set in modern time but in an alternate timeline where the sliding timeframe for Marvel characters eventually stopped sliding? That's confusing. It also means that instead of Futuristic Avengers in the year 2025! it's just, slightly different and much worse Avengers now.
I mean, it's worth noting it literally spun out of an issue of What If that diverged from the prime Marvel Universe and advanced like 15 years, I'm not sure where you got it was set in the near future of 616. Of course, that meant it was very much stuck in the idea of 'the future of the Marvel Universe' as it might have looked in 1998. So there's no Young Avengers, no Runaways, no Avengers Academy (I still maintain that was a great series), no Champions to draw from for what the future Avengers look like. There were some acknowledgements of later tuff, but that was primarily in Spider-Girl & its direct spinoff stories. So you'd see Maria Hill as the director of SHIELD, Arana showed up in Spider-Girl, Carlie Cooper was one of the people who put MC2 Peter onto becoming a police scientist...it's the one thing I don't like about Renew Your Vows, actually, that there was no extrapolation of the future with any new characters. I mean, the X-Men were running round with what felt like the exact same lineup except for Logan & Jean's kid there was some acknowledgment that Civil War was averted (because Xavier just talked people out of it? I kinda wish they'd just showed the New Warriors alive & well and let us infer that Stamford never happened), but that's about it.

I'm the designated BSS Spider-Girl fan, and looking back I think there's a reason only Spider-Girl stuck around.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Most of the other books were terrible.

Hell a lot of Spider-Girl's run was terrible.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Yvonmukluk posted:

I mean, it's worth noting it literally spun out of an issue of What If that diverged from the prime Marvel Universe and advanced like 15 years, I'm not sure where you got it was set in the near future of 616. Of course, that meant it was very much stuck in the idea of 'the future of the Marvel Universe' as it might have looked in 1998. So there's no Young Avengers, no Runaways, no Avengers Academy (I still maintain that was a great series), no Champions to draw from for what the future Avengers look like. There were some acknowledgements of later tuff, but that was primarily in Spider-Girl & its direct spinoff stories. So you'd see Maria Hill as the director of SHIELD, Arana showed up in Spider-Girl, Carlie Cooper was one of the people who put MC2 Peter onto becoming a police scientist...it's the one thing I don't like about Renew Your Vows, actually, that there was no extrapolation of the future with any new characters. I mean, the X-Men were running round with what felt like the exact same lineup except for Logan & Jean's kid there was some acknowledgment that Civil War was averted (because Xavier just talked people out of it? I kinda wish they'd just showed the New Warriors alive & well and let us infer that Stamford never happened), but that's about it.

I'm the designated BSS Spider-Girl fan, and looking back I think there's a reason only Spider-Girl stuck around.

I knew Spider Girl was the headline character, so I got the idea it was the future because I thought it spun out of something like "what if Spider-Man's baby hadn't gotten killed/stolen and then conveniently forgotten about or however the gently caress that ended up". And Spider-Man's baby was a fetus in the 90s, so I assumed for her to be a teen superhero it had to be taking place in the future.

You list those things MC2 should've drawn from, but I'm like, it should've been those. The fact that there's a half dozen better young superhero teams that came after MC2 is pretty good evidence that "new younger superheroes" is a solid concept. But instead we got Blue Streak and J2 fighting Silikong.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Gripweed posted:

I knew Spider Girl was the headline character, so I got the idea it was the future because I thought it spun out of something like "what if Spider-Man's baby hadn't gotten killed/stolen and then conveniently forgotten about or however the gently caress that ended up". And Spider-Man's baby was a fetus in the 90s, so I assumed for her to be a teen superhero it had to be taking place in the future.

You list those things MC2 should've drawn from, but I'm like, it should've been those. The fact that there's a half dozen better young superhero teams that came after MC2 is pretty good evidence that "new younger superheroes" is a solid concept. But instead we got Blue Streak and J2 fighting Silikong.
You're correct in that that's what it spun out of, but obviously events in the 616 relatively quickly overtook it (*cough* One More Day).

I can see how it'd be confusing.

I think the problem is that MC2 was definitely a minor thing, so I think it was primarily just DeFalco who established the groundwork and most of the original heroes, and not any actual up-and-coming talent being given the chance to actually experiment with what could have been a great opportunity for experimentation.

Rhyno posted:

Most of the other books were terrible.

Hell a lot of Spider-Girl's run was terrible.
Honestly, as much as I love Spider-Girl, it's definitely rather dated & clunky, especially the dialogue. I really wish we could have seen somebody else's take on the character. The one issue by I think Casey Jones and Houser's take on her in Spider-Girls really makes me wonder if someone else could have given the title more legs.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
It kept Defalco busy and away from the proper MU I guess. Which is always a good thing.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Rhyno posted:

It kept Defalco busy and away from the proper MU I guess. Which is always a good thing.

I would say Defalco made a better editor than writer, but as an editor he did a lot of work to make Marvel unreadable for almost a decade.

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Random Stranger posted:

I would say Defalco made a better editor than writer, but as an editor he did a lot of work to make Marvel unreadable for almost a decade.

I'd agree with all of that.

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