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I never really expected any serious action on climate change any time soon, but the fact they won't even scavenge together the funds needed to help the fire services in rural areas is really dire. It's such a no brains slam dunk policy.
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Xerxes17 posted:The thread agrees that we're in the hellworld timeline, so having a defense force is kind of a good idea. I would legitimately appreciate if someone could set out the geopolitical scenario in which Australia ends up in a shooting war with another nation. I assume we have various war plans for conflicts with various opponents; is thought given as to how we could end up in that scenario? Like, what are the steps that the world goes through that Indonesia or China or the Solomon Islands or whatever decides to invade Australia? How does the cost-benefit analysis of going to war with a western nation deeply embedded within the US defence umbrella work out in favour of war?
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BBJoey posted:I would legitimately appreciate if someone could set out the geopolitical scenario in which Australia ends up in a shooting war with another nation. I assume we have various war plans for conflicts with various opponents; is thought given as to how we could end up in that scenario? Like, what are the steps that the world goes through that Indonesia or China or the Solomon Islands or whatever decides to invade Australia? How does the cost-benefit analysis of going to war with a western nation deeply embedded within the US defence umbrella work out in favour of war? lol the us would drop us in a second if there was a real war.
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/video/id-5348771529001-6101749367001/Albanese-vows-to-restore--respect-and-trust--in-the-Labor-Party Murdoch has Albanese's National Press Club address up and without a paywall. FYI.
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JBP posted:gently caress three people are already dead. Yeah, a handful more unaccounted for The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Anidav posted:https://www.theaustralian.com.au/video/id-5348771529001-6101749367001/Albanese-vows-to-restore--respect-and-trust--in-the-Labor-Party Must have been a real train wreck
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BBJoey posted:I would legitimately appreciate if someone could set out the geopolitical scenario in which Australia ends up in a shooting war with another nation. I assume we have various war plans for conflicts with various opponents; is thought given as to how we could end up in that scenario? Like, what are the steps that the world goes through that Indonesia or China or the Solomon Islands or whatever decides to invade Australia? How does the cost-benefit analysis of going to war with a western nation deeply embedded within the US defence umbrella work out in favour of war? This is a good line of thinking beyond my kenning to answer honestly but one thing when I think about this with my tiny drug addled mind is ‘how much of our position within the us defense umbrella is based upon us buying their poo poo planes and weapon systems at a huge immediate financial loss to us?’
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Solemn Sloth posted:Must have been a real train wreck Nah, let me show you a train wreck.   - The Website
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:This is a good line of thinking beyond my kenning to answer honestly but one thing when I think about this with my tiny drug addled mind is ‘how much of our position within the us defense umbrella is based upon us buying their poo poo planes and weapon systems at a huge immediate financial loss to us?’ They probably would defend us to keep Pine Gap under their control more than anything else imo
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starkebn posted:They probably would defend us to keep Pine Gap under their control more than anything else imo Yeah there's some strategic value to keeping the friendly coal dwarves alive to an extent.
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starkebn posted:They probably would defend us to keep Pine Gap under their control more than anything else imo
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The Peccadillo posted:Defending the Australian people is not really their MO when it's come to protecting their intelligence infrastructure here I just think they would do it to stop their base being surrounded by an enemy, not for the good of us in principal. I'm guessing there is also a nuke buried below the base in case they can't save it.
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Appears as though the real national defence plan is to turn Australia into a burning inhospitable husk as fast as possible, so that no other country will want to invade us.
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Jesus those budget cuts to the fire service are stunning. Albanese should be screaming that every second of the day, blame Gladys for the deaths, go loving scorched earth (no pun intended). Also Death Stranding is very strange but I love that it's fostering this spirit of donating stuff and sharing which even though it's very abstract feels just nice and wholesome.
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:This is a good line of thinking beyond my kenning to answer honestly but one thing when I think about this with my tiny drug addled mind is ‘how much of our position within the us defense umbrella is based upon us buying their poo poo planes and weapon systems at a huge immediate financial loss to us?’ I'm certain a fair amount of it is, but there's more to the US-Aus alliance than just materiel. it'd be interesting to think through the ramifications of calling the US's bluff on the alliance - if you're withdrawing your protection because we're not buying your poo poo, we'll shut down pine gap, revoke your ability to use australian bases etc. australia is useful to the US, including in a geographical sense, beyond just shovelling money into the american MIC and I don't think we've ever tried to exploit that. this is all theorising regardless as we know both parties are all the way with DJT.
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cohsae posted:Jesus those budget cuts to the fire service are stunning.
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cohsae posted:Jesus those budget cuts to the fire service are stunning. Wow how dare you politicise this unavoidable and incomprehensible tragedy #thoughtsandprayers
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Mr Chips posted:if he did this he'd get slammed by the media for politicising a tragedy. Lol, you're so right, they love this one
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Let them slam you. If you choose the shortest sharpest words and they go in the paper you win.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Wow how dare you politicise this unavoidable and incomprehensible tragedy #thoughtsandprayers Awful Albo and his shocking Salvo - The Bundaberg Daily
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On the other hand check out an electoral map, thoughts and prayers is exactly what these people overwhelmingly voted for so gently caress em.
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Nov 9, 2019 11:37
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There's a fat red faced anime character in some anime poo poo for a fleeting second who is absolutely Barnaby but I can't for the life of me remember what it was in. I'm fairly sure he gets his head exploded too.
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Something I learnt why the fires around Pt Mac and Coffs seem to be a lot fiercer than what you usually see - they usually have anything up to a meter of basically damp /wet peat that is now completely dry for the first time in .... well no-one knows as its never been recorded to happen before in some cases and hence there is a metric assload of fuel that cant be put out and is going to burn until a huge rain event finally puts it out. Coffs is supposed to be humid as gently caress and stormy right now but of curse it aint so it's a firestorm just waiting to go off. The Forster fire re-ignited a week after it was thought to be put out, again because the soil has too much dead leaves over god knows how many years that it just cant be put out and hence away it went when the winds picked up. Compare to the Blue Mountains around Sydney - that might burn loving hard when it gets going (ie Springwood 2013) but it has regularly burnt so thence there isn't the big layer of dead material for a fire to really get hold into mostly. South of the highway tho hasnt burnt in a while so if that gets going that'll be big..... Welcome to climate change where forests that have never burnt are now tinderboxes. gently caress you LNP, gently caress you climate change deniers.
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Tongue speaking fundie piece of poo poo gently caress off Morrison
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Something I learnt why the fires around Pt Mac and Coffs seem to be a lot fiercer than what you usually see - they usually have anything up to a meter of basically damp /wet peat that is now completely dry for the first time in .... well no-one knows as its never been recorded to happen before in some cases and hence there is a metric assload of fuel that cant be put out and is going to burn until a huge rain event finally puts it out. Coffs is supposed to be humid as gently caress and stormy right now but of curse it aint so it's a firestorm just waiting to go off. The Forster fire re-ignited a week after it was thought to be put out, again because the soil has too much dead leaves over god knows how many years that it just cant be put out and hence away it went when the winds picked up. Lol
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BBJoey posted:Please explain Because we live in a society. In a country. On this planet
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The ABC posted:The failure springs from the Left having not intellectually recovered from the collapse of socialism. When socialism proved itself unviable, its critique of the ways that capitalist economies tend towards exploitation was taken down with it.
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BBJoey posted:cool that they let high schoolers write for the ABC Apart from this part quote:When socialism proved itself unviable The rest seems valid on a surface level
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Socialism has failed *ignores, Europe and south america* FAILED I TELL YOU
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starkebn posted:Apart from this part it presupposes that "the Left" (with a capital L, no less) and "ALP" are synonymous, when even the most surface-level understanding of australian politics would tell you it is not, as the Greens exists and is further left than the ALP. it is correct that the ALP tacked sharply to the right on economics and embraced neoliberalism, but that is not what the author wrote and it was certainly not a result of "socialism proving itself unviable". the claim that "The Left didn't go through a process of sorting through the intellectual wreckage and developing a new position." is also completely laughable, as you could spend decades reading analyses of the success and failures of socialism around the world from various leftist perspectives.
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