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Bobby Deluxe posted:Who will face exactly the same McCarthyist poo poo as Corbyn, you absolute numpty. Do you honestly think that a different person with the exact same policies is going to be left alone by the hostile press and right wing? I'm not calling for Corbyn to go, you idiot. I'm saying he probably will step down if he loses the election. And why not? If he wanted to stay that's one thing but I think he'll probably conclude that he's reshaped the party enough that he can pass the torch to someone else without it shifting back to the right. I genuinely don't think he would want to go through another five years as opposition leader waiting for his third chance to be PM. As for the personal attacks, obviously they will continue under anybody new. But we have a whole bunch of younger lefties who might appeal more to the electorate in spite of that. It means they have to start from square one with the smears too, only this time hopefully without the baggage of the whole PLP joining in, the leaks, the vote of no confidence etc. Bobby Deluxe posted:'m also confused about how 'Hey Jews' is antisemitic. Jews isn't a slur in and of itself, is it? I mean this genuinely, I don't understand in this situation how it would be antisemitic, if it did happen. Because having a big laugh with your mates about 'the Jews' is basically mocking them. They're an ethnic group, not a punchline. Edit: And it didn't happen. But that's why it would be offensive if it did. jabby fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Tevery Best posted:ceterum censeo torios esse delendat Showoff. The abbreviated form should be fine for everyone. though please do correct me where i've made a mistake if I have e: ^^^ It just adds "I certainly (ceterum) think/suppose (censeo esse) that (this changes the endings to accusative, plural in this case)". That is, "I certainly think that the Tories have to be destroyed". Technically it's the actual form that is historically attributed, but the the three word form is grammatically sound on it's own. It's just a bit of faffery really. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Julio Cruz posted:did anyone post today's Mail front page? because BRB going to email Lidl and ask them to justify their campaign with the loving Mail
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Ratjaculation posted:BRB going to email Lidl and ask them to justify their campaign with the loving Mail
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CptAwesome posted:I heard the bus had homophobic windshield wipers Counteracted by Star of David spinnaz on the rims
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E: nah gently caress it Tories delenda est Maugrim fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Aldi/lidl are literaly the mixom/moxim corporations from doom 3 as far as I'm concerned.
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jabby posted:Because having a big laugh with your mates about 'the Jews' is basically mocking them. They're an ethnic group, not a punchline.  thing to come out of this whole "Corbyn hates the Jews" poo poo is the centrists turning into farcical versions of 19th century antisemites."Anti-capitalism is antisemitic because Jews control a disproportionate amount of the worlds wealth", "there's a hard difference between Jews who speak their own languages and attend religious services and those that are just Jewish but speak the volkish language", and "let's stalk this woman for evidence of bagels to see if she's Jewish" are not things I foresaw coming out of the British centre 5 years ago, and if they carry on down this path they'll literally be saying "ah, this one wrote a song, they can't be a real Jew because Jews are an arrhythmic people" while still thinking that they're the good guys.
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Private Speech posted:Showoff. The abbreviated form should be fine for everyone. You have made no mistakes in the three word phrase, I honestly just wanted to refresh my memory of plural accusative suffixes. edit: and also show off because I am in fact a show-off The above construction (modelled after Cato's actual phrasing) is what is called ACI, accusativus cum infinitivo. In Latin, subordinate clauses that append to verbs expressing opinions, convictions, or beliefs about the world are typically not introduced by a preposition (as they would be in English or Polish), but instead they swap the subject to the accusative case and the verb to the infinitive. Hence, ceterum censeo torios delendat esse - moreover, I believe Tories ought be destroyed. There is also another construction called NCI (nominativus cum infinitivo), which does something else, but I don't remember what.
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Maugrim posted:To perpetuate this extremely boring chat instigated by a possible Pissflaps alt, ceterum would be also, not certainly According to the almighty Wikipedia: quote:Adverb Though I suppose in this case you are right. e: seeing your edit yeah anyway I'm sorry for the derail too Tories delenda est for anyone who wants. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Julio Cruz posted:did anyone post today's Mail front page? because The Mail being hosed over by their own Frankenstein creation would be excellent. Is anyone else surprised Labour haven't tried to make anything of the flooding? When I saw how bad it was I thought they'd be going hard on how underinvestment in flood defences was why this happened, but I've hardly heard anything from them. I do think "Hey Jews" was intended to be the story of the weekend that derailed every Labour representatives interview tomorrow though. Such a shame it died on its arse. EDIT https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1193199590637522944 wE'vE pAsSeD pEaK cOrByN jabby fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Did anyone post this yet? (You can read a few articles free btw) https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2019/11/what-is-shitposting-and-why-does-it-matter-bbc-brexitcast-laura-kuenssberg-got-it-wrong quote:What is shitposting? And why does it matter that the BBC got it wrong? Crisp chat: I am chowing down on a white cob slathered with creamy, full fat philadelphia, and stuffed with flame grilled steak flavoured doritos.
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I am wondering how the weather's gonna affect the vote. Cos like, surely the prime targets for not going out in the lovely weather are the tory fossil bloc. I know a lot of them postal vote but the tory ground game seems virtually nonexistent in my constituency and I can't imagine they've got anything like the GOTV efforts we've got. We're trying to get our older voters postal registered too.
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Is anybody else weirded out by loving BuzzFeed being held up as a source of journalistic integrity? I don't know when in the last couple of years this suddenly became a thing. In other news today I got stopped on a roundabout in Uxbridge by a police motorbike, so a motorcade could get past. This may be as close as I ever come to our glorious leader, but sadly it still wasn't milkshaking distance.
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Pochoclo posted:Not gonna lie I'm feeling a bit of hope seeing how the media's getting so nervous about the Brexit Party vote splitting It'll be near impossible to undo too, given all the poo poo Farage spouted about a Tory deal being worse for leavers than remaining in the EU. stev fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Pochoclo posted:Not gonna lie I'm feeling a bit of hope seeing how the media's getting so nervous about the Brexit Party vote splitting If people who habitually vote tory actually start thinking about voting for someone else, it's a huge win.
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Ran into a couple that might be like that today, the brexit lot don't seem to be ardently tory, a lot of them generally just seem sick of everything but buy into the whole "britain was great before the EU" thing and hate all politicians. If farage gets on the telly and tells them to vote brexit I think a fair few of them might, though we're trying to swing them to labour too by saying that labour at least will get brexit done in one way or another within six months rather than years more of negotiating the transition period with boris. Overall I think the majority of people I've spoken to aren't specifically interested one way or another about brexit, like it's not the only thing they care about, they might have an opinion but they care about other poo poo too, there are probably more single issue brexiters than any other single issue bloc, but the single issue brexiters are far from the majority of voters.
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Guavanaut posted:Tony stop possessing good poster Ms Adequate and talking about Cool Britannia. I cast you out, out! Go be in a swine like Dave. I specifically and conscientiously didn't mention any Cool Britannia ballix! goddamnedtwisto posted:I'm glad you specified this so I didn't confuse them with the poster we get here. Brutal 
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Stay safe public-facing campaigning dudes/dudettes. In our area all canvassing is in pairs. https://twitter.com/JimEllisUk/status/1193168507883737088?s=20
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Stay safe public-facing campaigning dudes/dudettes. In our area all canvassing is in pairs. i am sure these terror tactics are not at all what good faith people like gnasher and oz katerji and freedland have been wanting to happen
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Pilchenstein posted:If you're a racist dipshit then just mentioning the jewish people is a hilarious bit because reasons. But to me, Jew isn't inherently racist in the same way Indian or Muslim aren't racist unless they're preceeded by the word 'fackin' in a taxi driver's rant. I struggle with this because it's one of the few 'literal brain' parts of autism I have trouble with, I need to understand what the rules are and why they are how they are. But I suspect that most allistic prople don't really know either, which is where you get this arbitrary terror when someone changes the word in a song without any apparent or implied malice. Exactly how twitter goes from someone saying the word Jew as a homonym in a song, or disagreeing with the illegal occupation in the west bank to Jewish people fearing for their lives under Corbyn is just a baffling leap of logic. I think it's because with anything to do with racial identity, the consequences of getting it wrong are awful (and I don't mean being shouted at, I mean the sinking realisation that I punched down and someone somewhere is probably feeling like poo poo). It's complex and not always 100% linguistically rational. I also worry that I had a lovely upbringing, parents and friends normalising racial / gender / sexuality stereotypes and if I don't double check myself, they still sometimes end up underpinning jokes, and when they do I feel loving awful. I know a lot of zero empathy edgelords use that as an excuse for why they're going to say it anyway, but in my case I feel really bad about it and hate that it's floating around in my subconscious loving poo poo up in there. When I was listening to the podcast I got a great laugh out of Rarity saying her handle was @francesweetman, but the problem was my brain followed that with the joke "being a trans woman does not mean you can choose a specific woman to transition into" and I'm really not sure if that's OK or not. Like it feels like it's a funny connection, but it also feels like pointing out someone's trans nature is as bad as misgendering them, at least according to tumblr. Anyway. I think my original point was that while I don't see how using a word with no attached malice is bad, I am also aware that those kinds of thoughts are used by the alt-right to drop n-bombs because acshully it originally meant patsy so it's fine for them to scream it at the starbucks guy. jabby posted:Because having a big laugh with your mates about 'the Jews' is basically mocking them. They're an ethnic group, not a punchline. (Also apologies for misreading your post about Corbyn stepping down, I think I'm just tetchy because a thread or so ago a bunch of new posters appeared and started saying maybe Corbyn should step down along with all of the 'unelectable' poo poo.) Guavanaut posted:... "let's stalk this woman for evidence of bagels to see if she's Jewish" are not things I foresaw coming out of the British centre 5 years ago, and if they carry on down this path they'll literally be saying "ah, this one wrote a song, they can't be a real Jew because Jews are an arrhythmic people" while still thinking that they're the good guys. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I get that it can be a combination slur, like "He sucks because he's a Jew" is racist, as is screaming "loving Jew" at someone. I think because of that there's an alarm goes off in my head whenever anyone words something like 'he's a Jew,' and I'm not sure why the wording sounds worse than 'he's Jewish.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruFdHCyRppI I think it's just brains doing word association, 'Jew' as a noun is used by your alt-right types etc. 'A Jewish person' is clunky but it feels better, I think maybe because it's explicitly not dehumanising. I remember Corbyn once got called an anti-semite for saying 'Jewish people' instead of 'Jews' though so who knows Brazil is a land of contrasts.
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Hello all, resident lurker here. My band recently recorded a song that I think will fit in well with the thread. It's about Margaret Thatcher; also Marx and the living dead. No Monster Munch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apj5zPTGzNI Well, back to lurking.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I get that it can be a combination slur, like "He sucks because he's a Jew" is racist, as is screaming "loving Jew" at someone. I think because of that there's an alarm goes off in my head whenever anyone words something like 'he's a Jew,' and I'm not sure why the wording sounds worse than 'he's Jewish.' So Black isn't inherently racist, but some folks might prefer African instead of Black and some folks might prefer Black over or as well as African, that's fine. But you can easily make it racist. 'No Blacks' is terrible, Black followed by any term of disparagement is probably going to be bad. So take a random song and fit it in, you could probably wedge it into The Scatman by Scatman John. "I'm a Black man". Is that inherently bad? Absent context, no, I bet a comedian from the African diaspora could make something of that which would either be funny or thought provoking or both. But I don't think that I could. Random white dude on a bus singing "I'm a Black man. Ski-bi dibby dib yo da dub dub." Prooooooobably racist.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I get that it can be a combination slur, like "He sucks because he's a Jew" is racist, as is screaming "loving Jew" at someone. I think because of that there's an alarm goes off in my head whenever anyone words something like 'he's a Jew,' and I'm not sure why the wording sounds worse than 'he's Jewish.' It's because in calling someone a Jew you subtly imply that that encapsulates all that they are, whilst saying they are Jewish is just naming a singular trait. Like you don't call someone with Down's syndrome a Downie, you say they have Down's. E: I am not in any way equating being Jewish with having DS btw, just being involved in the DS community is how I learnt to be careful about this subtlety of phrasing Maugrim fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/Hillingdon_Tory/status/1193195054795513856 The prime minister of the united kingdom can muster slightly more people to campaign for him than our labour candidate can in middlesbrough south, lol. And her launch rally had about two or three times that many people in attendence
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Maugrim posted:It's because in calling someone a Jew you subtly imply that that encapsulates all that they are, whilst saying they are Jewish is just naming a singular trait.  for different identities though.Using the Black test again, you wouldn't say "he's a Black" unless you were a 90 year old racist from the American South or a Mail commenter, but it's fine to say "he's an African American". It's only when you say "oh, you'd like him, he's an African American" that it gets weird, because you're assuming that one part can sum up a person in whole, which is just polite racism, although of course not as bad as "oh, you wouldn't like him, he's an African American."
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RockyB posted:Is anybody else weirded out by loving BuzzFeed being held up as a source of journalistic integrity? I don't know when in the last couple of years this suddenly became a thing. I used to be but I got over it.
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