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Josuke Higashikata posted:you can go fight the pokemon specialist trainer dudes if you want to Yeah that seems to be it aside from catching Mewtwo
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Spanish Manlove posted:Yeah that seems to be it aside from catching Mewtwo Red's outside the Pokemon League too
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Nov 10, 2019 18:35
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Hammerite posted:It seems to me that there are 2 things that are a concern about the ever increasing number of pokemon and those are (1) the need to keep updating models and animations, which is a tax they have to keep paying with artist and animator time; (2) the fact that they keep adding dumb things like Silvally's Memories and Genesect's Drives and what not, which require them to include dozens of irritating NPCs somewhere in every future game, who show up (unwanted by most players) to say "if you have a robot bug pokemon then I have some cool items I can give you". Problem is, (1) isn't a problem either. They use the same models as X and Y and barely animate. The shaders are different, but that's about it, and I'm not sure if that needs to be programmed for every Pokemon or if its a global lighting effect. The whole point of X and Y (which, tbh? Feels like a way more ambitious generational jump even if its responsible for many of the flaws that've hit Pokemon since the 3DS era) was to make 1 a nonissue, or at least less of one.
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https://www.smashcast.tv/ak2007 Game's being restreamed now for whoever's curious and wants to get impressions about it
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Framboise posted:This kind of goes for every fanbase tbh Yeah but, feels like GameFreak largely exists to do the most barebones worldbuilding while constantly missing opportunities, while others actually expand on things with the side games and other content. And now there are no side games other than Masters which apparently has not done well enough.
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qnqnx posted:Yeah but, feels like GameFreak largely exists to do the most barebones worldbuilding while constantly missing opportunities, while others actually expand on things with the side games and other content. And now there are no side games other than Masters which apparently has not done well enough. Masters is complete poo poo so I'm glad it's failing. Also, Go is still very much alive and important enough that the anime is now adapting it, with both a protagonist named Go and Raid Battles identical to those of the game being shown on the latest trailer. The death of spinoffs in Pokemon is something I'm really sad about though. No more Mystery Dungeons or Rangers or even the older stuff like Stadium and Snap, it sucks. I hope it's only temporary but it seems like any spinoff nowadays is going to be a bad phone game.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Red's outside the Pokemon League too Note that Red only appears after defeating either all of just a certain number (I forget which) of the Master Trainers scattered throughout the game (one for each pokemon). Blue has also taken over the Viridian City gym and after you catch Mewtwo going back through the cave again will allow you to fight Green in the same spot. You can also refight all the gym leaders as well who come with stronger teams and occasionally mega evolutions and/or Alolan form Pokemon. Larryb fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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The Bee posted:Problem is, (1) isn't a problem either. They use the same models as X and Y and barely animate. The shaders are different, but that's about it, and I'm not sure if that needs to be programmed for every Pokemon or if its a global lighting effect. The whole point of X and Y (which, tbh? Feels like a way more ambitious generational jump even if its responsible for many of the flaws that've hit Pokemon since the 3DS era) was to make 1 a nonissue, or at least less of one. I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt but I think you're probably right. And I'm pretty sure I remember it being discussed at the time that the gen 6 models were a lot more detailed than was really justified for the 3DS, so they'd probably look acceptable on the switch. And they could just move to a mode of working where they don't always update every model whenever they do a new game with a round of updates - they just update the ones that can be found/caught in that game and need an update. Yes players would whine that their favourite pokemon hasn't been updated and why does Game Freak never give it any love etc. but it would just be the background complaining that always happens, not a massive controversy like this one.
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qnqnx posted:Yeah but, feels like GameFreak largely exists to do the most barebones worldbuilding while constantly missing opportunities, while others actually expand on things with the side games and other content. And now there are no side games other than Masters which apparently has not done well enough. Masters was low effort garbage that thought Pokemon + Waifus and absolutely nothing else would rake in all the money and they were fortunately wrong about it
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Nov 10, 2019 18:55
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I'm just honestly not willing to shell out $20 more for a game that seems to have just as much stuff in it as the $40 entries in the series. I mean, $20 more for just as anemic of a post-game and no Marill? It's just not worth it for me at this point.
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Pyroi posted:I'm just honestly not willing to shell out $20 more for a game that seems to have just as much stuff in it as the $40 entries in the series. I mean, $20 more for just as anemic of a post-game and no Marill? It's just not worth it for me at this point. Fair enough, you don't have to buy it then. Maybe try a different franchise? There's a Digimon game out for the Switch now though I honestly couldn't tell you if it has every Digimon in it because damned if I can keep track of those.
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Nov 10, 2019 19:02
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ImpAtom posted:Fair enough, you don't have to buy it then. Maybe try a different franchise? There's a Digimon game out for the Switch now though I honestly couldn't tell you if it has every Digimon in it because damned if I can keep track of those. Oh, Cyber Sleuth is great. It's just that Pokemon was literally my first game, and I'm really not willing to let it go like this.
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ImpAtom posted:Fair enough, you don't have to buy it then. Maybe try a different franchise? There's a Digimon game out for the Switch now though I honestly couldn't tell you if it has every Digimon in it because damned if I can keep track of those. Not a single Digimon game has every Digimon, there's more than a thousand of those and several have only appeared on very specific things and never again (such as the Vemmon line in Digimon World 3 or NEO in the NEXT manga). That said, Cyber Sleuth Complete has two super good games in it and is absolutely recommended.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Masters was low effort garbage that thought Pokemon + Waifus and absolutely nothing else would rake in all the money and they were fortunately wrong about it gotta admit, i'm kinda surprised they were wrong on that one
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ImpAtom posted:Fair enough, you don't have to buy it then. Maybe try a different franchise? There's a Digimon game out for the Switch now though I honestly couldn't tell you if it has every Digimon in it because damned if I can keep track of those. it has Many Digimon but it's impossible to have all of them because boy do digimon LOVE having a whole line of mascot level digimon appear once in a comic and then never again Cyber Sleuth whips rear end, though.
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Oh yeah, the Cyber Sleuth recommendation wasn't ironic or anything. I really was just trying to point out another Cute Monsters Fighting thing I enjoyed
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Agreed, Masters was soulless trash. If you need a mobile anime gacha game Dragonball Legends is soooo much better (wrong franchise, I know, but still). TheKingofSprings posted:What is your opinion on sand, out of curiosity? Much like after spending a day at the beach, my prediction is it will be everywhere. Losing Garchomp doesn’t matter all that much. Flygon still exists technically, though I can’t see it even being a staple on sand teams because of a mix of Fairys everywhere and the power creep. I think it will be Early Gen 5 Two: Electric Boogaloo, only kind of hosed up because most of rain and sun’s building blocks got Dexited. Rain will still be -ok-, but Sand will reign supreme and Hail will be the new Sun in that it’s less of a total joke but still a laughing stock. TTar Toxipex Ferrothorn and sand rush Drill, last two slots can be Corviknight/Clef/Hippo/Flygon/Dragapult/whatever depending on metagame trends, offense vs defensive focus, etc. I’m pretty terrible at competitive and pulled all of that straight out of my rear end btw. I just find it fun since the main games decided anything more challenging than Kirby’s Dreamland 1 was verboten. Mr. Creakle fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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Brother Entropy posted:gotta admit, i'm kinda surprised they were wrong on that one It's Pokemon, Skyla's about as crazy as characters are ever going to get in terms of design and I'd be blown away if there was one of the things people actually pay for in those games like a limited run summer banner
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With Digimon, every game in Digimon is a completely different sort of RPG (the two big genres nowadays being party-based and pet-raising) and oftentimes needs different art assets to match. If we got a Mystery Dungeon, a Ranger, and a main series game, and each had a completely different Pokemon roster, that'd be a lot closer to how Digimon works. There's also no inter-game connectivity, which I think is the real bugbear on the series that prevents Pokemon from effectively rotating out its roster. I also agree I would not mind if imported Pokemon who didn't appear in the game's regional pokedex were "Legacy" Pokemon that received no model or animation updates, no changes to their move lists, and no Pokedex entries. That pretty much sums up every avenue I can think of for coding Pokemon into new games being more than a copy and paste.
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Countblanc posted:if Masters had launched with wedding dress cynthia and swimsuit volkner it'd have succeeded If it had launched with Cynthia at all it would've probably succeeded. The most prominent character in it is Blue, I.E. the definitive second banana!
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Blaze Dragon posted:Masters is complete poo poo so I'm glad it's failing. Also, Go is still very much alive and important enough that the anime is now adapting it, with both a protagonist named Go and Raid Battles identical to those of the game being shown on the latest trailer. Hope that is temporary, but I also fear that if PMD or Ranger or even Conquest were to be brought back, it would be in phone game form. As good Go was, it feels like it has poisoned the well and now any spinoff needs to be its own Pokemania worth of profits. gently caress's sake, I just want to go dungeon exploring with a team of plucky pokemon. Really glad that Masters failed, too. TheKingofSprings posted:Masters was low effort garbage that thought Pokemon + Waifus and absolutely nothing else would rake in all the money and they were fortunately wrong about it If it lasts less than Pokemon Duel, I will laugh heartily. Pokemon fans that care about trainers over pokemon are a definitive minority, waifu lovers accounted for.
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https://youtu.be/fNWG-t9X7QQ New preview for the anime. Looks nice, no gyms in sight and theres a Lugia raid. Go looks super fun with Ash.
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Wow Rapid spin gives +1 speed now. That sure encourages hazard removal. Also Aegislash got a bit of a nerf, it’s 150 stats went to 140.
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RatHat posted:Wow Rapid spin gives +1 speed now. That sure encourages hazard removal. Wait, where is this from? That sounds terrifying.
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TheKingofSprings posted:https://www.smashcast.tv/ak2007 This stream is basically a slide show, there's so many drops
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The Bee posted:Wait, where is this from? That sounds terrifying. There’s a guy who has Shield that’s been leaking everything. It’s all posted in this Smogon thread.
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RatHat posted:Wow Rapid spin gives +1 speed now. That sure encourages hazard removal. finally, the buff Excadrill has so desperately needed
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If you told me that the RBY anime would go from 3 frame walk cycles to the level of animation we saw in SuMo I would have said “no loving way”. The series has more passion in it than the last decade of games. Also lol Stealth Rock and Hail buffs along with an anti Stealth Rock item and my all-time favorite Articuno is Dexited lol lol lo-  Speaking of which Tired Dexit Rant Incoming: Pokemon as a franchise is marketed to children, appeals to children, is designed specifically for children and needs the new blood children to keep its fanbase alive. We all know that. However this mixture of lip service to veterans then flipping them off is starting to get really, really old. If there’s going to be a limit of Pokemon per game (fair for the future even if the Switch can clearly handle what we currently have), make a full new roster every game, put effort into it, add a decent amount, and for the love of god stop with shoving random Pokemon deemed marketable like Charizard in our faces. It reminds me of the Pikachu explosion in the early 2000s and I’m still sick of his sickeningly cute yellow face, even though the marketing was directed towards me as a 10 year old back then. And for the love of Arceus don’t force legacy collections to be locked behind a subscription. That’s just lovely. You loving KNOW horror stories about deleted living dexes will surface when someone has temporary financial trouble, or stops playing their Nintendo for a few years, or something else pops up. And again, THIS GAME IS FOR KIDS. KIDS DON’T MAKE MONEY. They may not have the forethought to keep a sub running for years to preserve their dex. So many kids are gonna lose their favorites down the line over this, one way or another. I know they are pixels and the manbabies melting down on reddit and twitter need to chill (I myself have a living dex and a bunch of naturally bred 5-6IV mons that are rip now, as well as about half of my favorites. Whatever, I may clone the save file to be safe then move them over) but what really turns my stomach is thinking about kids all around the world that will soon be crying over losing their Bulbasaur.
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RatHat posted:Wow Rapid spin gives +1 speed now. That sure encourages hazard removal.  That's kind of nuts. It looks like hazards are getting dunked on this gen.That's the first time they've done a stat nerf instead of a stat buff between generations. Wonder if there are any others. Countblanc posted:finally, the buff Excadrill has so desperately needed  Oh god. Oh dear god.
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Calling it now: toxapex ban, sand rush exca ban, aegis STILL gets banned because even though the new roster have bonkers stats the overall Pokemon pool has a lower BST with legendaries and UBs gone.
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extra row of teeth posted:And for the love of Arceus don’t force legacy collections to be locked behind a subscription. That’s just lovely. You loving KNOW horror stories about deleted living dexes will surface when someone has temporary financial trouble, or stops playing their Nintendo for a few years, or something else pops up. And again, THIS GAME IS FOR KIDS. KIDS DON’T MAKE MONEY. They may not have the forethought to keep a sub running for years to preserve their dex. So many kids are gonna lose their favorites down the line over this, one way or another. Uh. You do know that most kid's stuff these days has a subscription. You're free to say that's lovely (because it is) but kids probably are more aware of the need to upkeep subscriptions for something they like than many adults. Like my younger family members tend to ask for things like time cards or whatever more than they ask for physical stuff. I also admit I find it hard to combine "i care so much about this Pokemon" with "I engaged in a lengthy breeding cycle to get perfect Pokemon and destroyed/boxed any that were inferior."
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Mr. Whale posted:Hope this means aegislash won't get banned now. Doubt it. -40 to its effective BST is a decent hit, but probably not enough to make its overall concept less nuts. There would probably have to be some serious power creep (especially since this generation has no sublegendaries at all) for it to be okay for Aegislash to stick around.
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That’s what I get for typing while half conscious.  Stealth rock NERFS and Hail BUFFS.ImpAtom posted:Uh. You do know that most kid's stuff these days has a subscription. You're free to say that's lovely (because it is) but kids probably are more aware of the need to upkeep subscriptions for something they like than many adults. Like my younger family members tend to ask for things like time cards or whatever more than they ask for physical stuff. Sorry I’m “old woman yells at cloud” but I do hope the kids won’t get screwed. Adults and even older kids/teens have ways around it if they are too broke (or too angry to give GF their money for Home) to preserve their collections. As for combining those two feelings, yes it is hard but if you are the type who likes the “Pokemon are our friends” poo poo the game pushes and “LF 6IV Egg Moves Mamoswine” the metagame demands, you literally have no choice. An ingame team will get absolutely destroyed in pvp or even endgame pve because of IVs, EVs, etc. My solution has been to keep my ingame team preserved in a special box, breed them, and use my favorites (who are almost always trash tier) in gimmick OU/Uber games. Not only is it extra rewarding to win with mons that you really care about, but the salt generated from beating OU staples with low tier mons is hilarious. It doesn’t set the ladder on fire, but it’s fun and that’s what matters. Sw/Sh is fixing a lot of that “do I ditch my virtual friends and start churning out Pokemon en masse like a puppy mill” conflict with nature mints and stuff, which is what makes this all the more awful. There may not be many who play like me and dabble in both casual and competitive, but the changes are HUGE for those that do.
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yea that's actually how I do it too so I get that. I'm into competitive stuff but I also am a big dumb nerd who has favorites and tries to breed 'perfect' ones or shiny hunt or whatever so yea I'll IV breed my not optimal fave pokemons just because A) I do genuinely believe no pokemon is 'useless' and B) it can be fun to try to build competitive teams around things far out of the meta.
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