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Tubgoat posted:He's literally running on "replace all social welfare programs with a free $1000 extra per citizen to landlords." LoL no he isn’t you clown boi
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what a dumb game that was
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Rinkles posted:what a dumb game that was
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Nov 10, 2019 23:52
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Rinkles posted:what a dumb game that was I'm assuming this is all of the Oko v Oko matchups
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Nov 11, 2019 00:17
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ilmucche posted:I'm assuming this is all of the Oko v Oko matchups yes, but this latest game has had actual back and forths.
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Nov 11, 2019 00:17
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Bust Rodd posted:LoL no he isn’t you clown boi A UBI without controls on the prices of basic needs (rent, food, healthcare, etc) is essentially a giveaway to the rent-seeking class and profiteers. Dismantling the social safety net on top of that just leaves people more impoverished. Yang's policies aren't just dumb, they're dangerous and predatory hiding under the guise of Silicon Valley-esque disruption and efficiency building. Yang should be a joke but people still believe that businessmen are somehow uniquely equipped to run government. On top of that a pretty big chunk of his supporters are white supremacists, incels, mgtow, and libertarians. He would be funny if it wasn't such a loving threat.
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Nov 11, 2019 00:30
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PVDDR showing yet again how tough it is to get to 3 PT wins, a feat only accomplished by:
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Mat Cauthon posted:A UBI without controls on the prices of basic needs (rent, food, healthcare, etc) is essentially a giveaway to the rent-seeking class and profiteers. Rent Seekers and landlords aren't one and the same. Agreed that Yang's policies are foolish for a lot of reasons, but that is an important distinction that I really hope you study on before you continue bandying terms around.
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Nov 11, 2019 04:13
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Toshimo posted:PVDDR showing yet again how tough it is to get to 3 PT wins, a feat only accomplished by: I googled that last name and got "Naked Stud Gets Shared Between Horny Crowd and stuffed andy ..." That must have been one hell of a Top 8.
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Nov 11, 2019 04:24
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How many hours of the top 8 broadcast were Oko mirrors?
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Boco_T posted:How many hours of the top 8 broadcast were Oko mirrors? The adventure decks got knocked out first round iirc. Semi finals had a sultai food in the mix and finals were simic food mirrors with the only difference being some sideboard stuff, the # of aether gusts and maybe mass manipulation.
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Nov 11, 2019 04:51
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Honestly, the semis/finals were a good watch (when they were actual games and not run aways) - lots of back and forth, especially finals game 4. PVDDR is always great to watch, that dude is a stone cold competitor. His approach to play in comparison to Stráský was a treat. Once Oko eats a ban these decks are just switching back exclusively to the Nissa / big mana plan, right?
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Dehtraen posted:Honestly, the semis/finals were a good watch (when they were actual games and not run aways) - lots of back and forth, especially finals game 4. PVDDR is always great to watch, that dude is a stone cold competitor. His approach to play in comparison to Stráský was a treat. Depending on how sure they want to be that they won't have a second bad ban in a row, it might not just be Oko eating the ban. A lot will depend on that.
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Nov 11, 2019 05:41
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they're going to ban just oko and a reworked simic build will continue to be the best deck in the format
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Nov 11, 2019 05:50
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Dehtraen posted:PVDDR is always great to watch, that dude is a stone cold competitor. I too love learning how to cheat from a top pro.
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moush posted:I too love learning how to cheat from a top pro. You got something to back this up with?
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moush posted:I too love learning how to cheat from a top pro. All right, I’ll bite, what is this in reference to? I googled the only thing I can find is something on freemagic and a clickbait-y titled video from one of the Youtube Chuds that defends all the rapists/sexual harassers (which I didn’t click because gently caress that guy)
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little munchkin posted:they're going to ban just oko and a reworked simic build will continue to be the best deck in the format Sincerely if Oko is the only ban this is a foregone conclusion the deck is still so strong even without Oko.
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Dehtraen posted:All right, I’ll bite, what is this in reference to? I googled the only thing I can find is something on freemagic and a clickbait-y titled video from one of the Youtube Chuds that defends all the rapists/sexual harassers (which I didn’t click because gently caress that guy) Wasn't he the one who moved around a spreading seas so he could cast the spells the way he wanted?
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Nov 11, 2019 06:44
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There's a reddit post right now showing him fumbling around with a newly cast Oko, setting a die to 6 and grabbing a token, then setting it to 5 a second later and Elking that same token. I assume thats what they're referring to.
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I don’t know a single Magic player who’s never made a procedural mistake, and I know a lot of Magic players. Not saying anything about the particular case here, but for all the good things we get from video coverage (and there are many!) the tendency of people to call cheating without evidence of ill-intent is staggering. I judged a streamed tournament once where a player accidentally shuffled their hand into their deck while tutoring. Absent any way to recreate the hand, they just had to continue playing without a hand. Somehow we still had some people in twitch chat enraged I didn’t DQ the player for cheating.
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Nov 11, 2019 07:10
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Ultiville posted:
drat, that's one way to get your Oath targets back into the library.
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Nov 11, 2019 07:23
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Without a Krasis ban, Oko getting the hammer does absolutely nothing to stop the G/u supremacy in standard. Nissa is fine on her own, and green would still be strong, but not overwhelmingly as oppressive as it is now. Hopefully the bans happen, and we don't continue to have a situation like the M19 through M20 seasons where some form of Azorius or Esper was always the dominant deck and everything else was struggling to keep up, with one or two outliers (RDW and blue tempo, mainly).
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Nov 11, 2019 07:25
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Hellsau posted:drat, that's one way to get your Oath targets back into the library. I think the appropriate fix under the current MTR is that your opponent gets to look through your deck, choose as many cards as you had in hand before loving up, and that's now your hand. Which neatly closes that loophole!
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Nov 11, 2019 08:11
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I'm currently thinking the bans will be Oko, OuaT, and maybe Nissa or something
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Elyv posted:I'm currently thinking the bans will be Oko, OuaT, and maybe Nissa or something I think they could get away with just Oko and Once upon a Time, but throwing in a third ban seems fine - Krasis, Nissa, or even just Veil of Summer. Veil is so stupid, drat.
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Hellsau posted:I think they could get away with just Oko and Once upon a Time, but throwing in a third ban seems fine - Krasis, Nissa, or even just Veil of Summer. It's pretty funny when you look at the incidental buff on Veil compared to all the other color-hosers. Scry 1 Gain 1 life Can't be countered Draw a card https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6keZIUJBsQ
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Nov 11, 2019 08:54
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yeah on the other hand celestial purge commit hero's downfall magmatic sinkhole autumn's veil
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ungulateman posted:yeah on the other hand What?
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the kicker on the other cards in the cycle are bad because the baseline card is really good in exchange for only hitting that color's enemy colors. devout decree is a sorcery speed celestial purge that scries 1 (it doesn't hit enchantments, though, to be fair) aether gust is basically a modal pick between griptide and memory lapse, which i erroneously described as Commit noxious grasp is hero's downfall but -1 mana and +1 life fry is straight up strictly better combust. (magmatic sinkhole is the only card that does 5 to a creature or planeswalker i could find) veil of summer's baseline card, autumn's veil, was totally unplayable in every format edit: i tell a lie! reid duke and pvddr played a single copy in their sideboard of kessig titan while it was in standard, in much the same way you would play a single copy of mana tithe in your sideboard during time spiral ungulateman fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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On the other hand, allowing Veil of Summer to replace itself pretty clearly rockets it over the top. Maybe it should've been a scry 1, or cost 2 mana (which is still a discount over the standard +2 mana surcharge for a cantrip)? Maybe it's perfectly fine in the counterfactual where R&D doesn't fluff green in pretty much every other conceivable way?
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It should have been modal. Either you draw the card or it ruins every form of interaction for the rest of the turn.
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Hellsau posted:I think they could get away with just Oko and Once upon a Time, but throwing in a third ban seems fine - Krasis, Nissa, or even just Veil of Summer. it quite possibly cost paulo the trophy
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ungulateman posted:the kicker on the other cards in the cycle are bad because the baseline card is really good in exchange for only hitting that color's enemy colors. okay you're bad at card analysis, but you're posting in the magic the gathering thread on something awful and we're all bad at that. here's the deal with veil of summer, compared the autumn's veil: Autumn: Spells you control can’t be countered by blue or black spells this turn, and creatures you control can’t be the targets of blue or black spells this turn. Summer: Draw a card if an opponent has cast a blue or black spell this turn. Spells you control can’t be countered this turn. You and permanents you control gain hexproof from blue and from black until end of turn. They cost the exact same. There is no disadvantage with Summer. Ignoring the cantrip, Summer is better in the following ways:
So that is a MASSIVE, TREMENDOUS upgrade over Autumn's Veil. They then tossed a cantrip onto it, so it's very rarely dead and frequently is a massive blowout. Why? Did they not test that poo poo? Did they not realize it's a better hoser than the original Elemental Blasts? It's just a stupid card and I'm glad it's an Uncommon so I don't have to play that poo poo in Pauper. also your comparison is fuckin' stupid because you listed one hate card and three random effects, like what the gently caress does Commit have to do with Aether Gust? What you should have been comparing was the original cycle of hosers that Autumn's Veil belonged to: https://scryfall.com/card/m12/11/celestial-purge https://scryfall.com/card/m12/52/flashfreeze https://scryfall.com/card/m12/90/deathmark https://scryfall.com/card/m12/128/combust https://scryfall.com/card/m12/164/autumns-veil The ones from M20 are clearly inspired by this cycle, just updated for the, shall we say, planeswalker focused development cycle: https://scryfall.com/card/m20/13/devout-decree https://scryfall.com/card/m20/42/aether-gust https://scryfall.com/card/m20/110/noxious-grasp https://scryfall.com/card/m20/140/fry https://scryfall.com/card/m20/198/veil-of-summer Compared to the M12 set, the white one keeps the same manacost but becomes a sorcery and loses the ability to target enchantments/artifacts/lands i guess which makes for a less lame card since it isn't so drat universal, and in exchange it gets a scry 1. Cool. The blue one keeps the same manacost and becomes a substantially worse counterspell (since instead of just permanently answering a spell they have the option to put it on top if they wish) but in exchange it's a perfectly acceptable two-mana Griptide if you're already getting beaten down, so cool. Noxious Grasp gains a mana over Deathmark, but in exchange gets to hit Planeswalkers, becomes an instant and gains a life, which makes it much better in Standard and kind of unimpressive outside of it since that extra mana is pretty big. Fry should have been able to answer all blue or white planeswalkers the turn they come down and + but lol WotC - it's just a clear upgrade to Combust since there ain't much damage prevention around these days and neither can target a pro-red creature anyway. So...those are all the others. What the gently caress happened that they buffed Veil in five different ways from Autumn to Summer, and then they loving added a cantrip? There's very few cards that are almost good enough, and then if you buffed them in 5 different ways and also added a cantrip to it they wouldn't be insane.
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Don't call hexproof "protection" in a game where those words mean different things. Even if the context is clear, don't mix up your words.
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Jabor posted:I think the appropriate fix under the current MTR is that your opponent gets to look through your deck, choose as many cards as you had in hand before loving up, and that's now your hand. Yeah, this was a few months before that fix got implemented. Of course it still won’t always be possible; it might not be possible to reconstruct how many cards were in the hand. (Either because players don’t remember what turn it is, or because someone played some Krasises or the like, or whatever). I think in that case you’d still do the same thing, assuming you rule out cheating.
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Hellsau posted:okay you're bad at card analysis, but you're posting in the magic the gathering thread on something awful and we're all bad at that. here's the deal with veil of summer, compared the autumn's veil: ok boomer (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ungulateman posted:ok boomer bad at card analysis and posting, a winning combination
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ungulateman posted:ok boomer He’s right tho
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ungulateman posted:ok boomer Nothing like putting a lot of effort into a post and encouraging reasonable discussion, only for a low effort fuckwad to post poo poo like this. Yikes
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