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Scruffpuff posted:The funniest image connected to this whole debacle, and there are tens of thousands, has to be this one: Senior motion capture specialist and senior in high school. Hope crunch time didn't mess with homecoming plans.
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It's interesting realizing that this is the clearest evidence this is a scam. I mean I know it's a scam, but actually articulating it in a paragraph or two is irritating. Citizens have several difficulty with any element of nuance, though, so I'm not saying they can be convinced. But the blatant falsehoods about how far the game was along become pretty damning when they're not a month or a year but several years off the most generous assessments. When you're that far off, you're intentionally misleading and bullshitting to keep the money flowing. You can not possibly have thought the game was a year or two out given the actual rate of progress since. Even easy problems cripple CIG. The model viewer operates at a level worse than Crysis 3 does. Though to be Scruffpuffian for a moment it is entirely within the dumbness of Roberts to known so little about game development he genuinely thought they were making leaps and bounds of progress toward his idiot dream. To go back to that analogy posted several pages back, Roberts is too loving stupid to see the walnuts in the sieve, so maybe you could be charitable and argue its a scam through pure dumbfuckery. But the argument always comes back to the fact they can't grasp the idea the best scams involve a cashflow of money that can be constantly siphoned from. They always present it as a traveling snake oil salesman sort of thing, arriving with a magic universal tonic and being driven off by the sheriff. The citizens deserve their Chris.
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Nov 11, 2019 04:41
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Dementropy posted:How does Number 3 apply to initial backers? Didn't you read? Its their fault. Everything is the fault of backers! CR is absolved.
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Nov 11, 2019 04:43
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Quavers posted:Mark Hamill presenting Chris Roberts & Squadron 42 at E3 2021: The perfect analogy for SC.
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Nov 11, 2019 04:43
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Agony Aunt posted:The perfect analogy for SC. Wrong. The Homer had a working prototype
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Nov 11, 2019 04:48
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quote:Mining on Daymar. One of my favourite locations. Skimming the surface with my Prospector and armed with a Multi Tool. I ain't gonna pretend to be no Herman Melville or whatever, but this is dogshit
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Nov 11, 2019 05:12
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Spiderdrake posted:Though to be Scruffpuffian for a moment it is entirely within the dumbness of Roberts to known so little about game development he genuinely thought they were making leaps and bounds of progress toward his idiot dream. To go back to that analogy posted several pages back, Roberts is too loving stupid to see the walnuts in the sieve, so maybe you could be charitable and argue its a scam through pure dumbfuckery. Remember that, in his own words, the game is late because his developers weren't making the game as fast as he could have. A career fraud posted:I'm not going to surprise anyone and say it's -- Squadron 42 isn't this year. I'm not the best person estimating my time or other people's time because I always feel like I could do it quicker than you know it ultimately would be, so there you go. So I don't, I absolve myself of that. So he does occasionally admit fault: in trusting others to be the genius he thinks he is, and being disappointed when they come up short. Why the natural follow-up question "then why aren't you coding this yourself so it gets done sooner" didn't get asked is a mystery for the ages.
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Nov 11, 2019 05:15
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starkebn posted:Classic, my favourite is still Boggle (?) from Labyrinth though 
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Nov 11, 2019 05:25
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Beet Wagon posted:I ain't gonna pretend to be no Herman Melville or whatever, but this is dogshit
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Nov 11, 2019 05:26
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Exinos posted:Senior motion capture specialist and senior in high school. Hope crunch time didn't mess with homecoming plans. that guy is actually in his late twenties. Dude has a massive case of baby-face. Also he now works at Framestore, some of the people who did work for Detective Pikachu, Gravity, Harry Potter, etc. He leveraged that poo poo into a real good job.
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Nov 11, 2019 06:08
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a star citizen veteran's charity stream got put on the twitch front page for a bit tonight! it managed to barely cross 1,000 viewers 
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Nov 11, 2019 06:28
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Tudyk was dope in dollhouse.
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Nov 11, 2019 07:18
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Spiderdrake posted:But the argument always comes back to the fact they can't grasp the idea the best scams involve a cashflow of money that can be constantly siphoned from. They always present it as a traveling snake oil salesman sort of thing, arriving with a magic universal tonic and being driven off by the sheriff. And this is why cig is the perfect scam, because croberts, Sandi, Erin, Ortwin et al. can always claim that they're really trying hard to make the game, all the while paying themselves handsome salaries. As long as they're paying the correct taxes, it's all perfectly legal. Crowd funding offers zero contractual obligations of the company execs to the backers. Chris needs only to avoid running afoul of Calders or whatever other binding agreements exist (crytek). Even still, he can likely declare corporate bankruptcy and walk away with his earned income safely tucked away.
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Nov 11, 2019 07:22
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Nov 11, 2019 07:28
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Midnight Voyager posted:that guy is actually in his late twenties. Dude has a massive case of baby-face. The devs that come out of CIG after this is done are gonna have some pretty funny stories, decent training and a long list of things not to do. The topp brass is hosed tho.
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Nov 11, 2019 08:34
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I hate this line "No, it's your fault. Do the groundwork, know what you are getting into. Remove yourself from the lame 'blame game' you all like to indulge in." When a Company like EA or Activision lies about something in their new game, 1st day players find out and will point it out and new or soon to be players have the info nice and quick to either jump at a refund or look elsewhere, No Man Sky didn't last 3 days with it's multiplayer lie. With Star Citizen, you can't get a scope of whats actually exists because not only is the company lying, the backers do as well and once the non believers find out the info is bogus, are shot down as FUDsters or told they didn't do due diligence on the state of the game.
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Nov 11, 2019 09:31
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stingtwo posted:I hate this line "No, it's your fault. Do the groundwork, know what you are getting into. Remove yourself from the lame 'blame game' you all like to indulge in." Almost feels like this Huxley character is in someone's pocket. However, I find it more believeable that they're simply a nasty piece of work.
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Nov 11, 2019 09:38
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They all do it though, thats the problem. For example, When killing floor 2 was released in a totally unfinished state in 2015, I was optimistic about what was going to be added but someone said to me "Is the fire class in?" I said no, because i'd be lying if I said it was it and that person would find out 15 seconds that the fire perk didn't exist at the time. Your average Star Citizen backer usually says "Star Citizen is only $45" which is true because hey you do get to play whatever you want to call SC at this point and it's false because to have access to 2/3 of the game you need to spend 4-5 times that. Other things are how many players, what you can do, the AI, the realism. It's this endless cycle of BS drowned out by backers yelling at you to do better research which is when you think about it, is thousands of hours of monotonous word salad by the developers, questionable video and photos by the backers, the shutting down of any discouse on any site even daring to question the great septic tank that is Chris Roberts brain.
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Nov 11, 2019 09:56
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Sandepande posted:Almost feels like this Huxley character is in someone's pocket. However, I find it more believeable that they're simply a nasty piece of work. They've just replied again. Interestingly enough, they acknowledge that both SC and SQ42 won't be out for years yet.
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Nov 11, 2019 10:29
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Midnight Voyager posted:that guy is actually in his late twenties. Dude has a massive case of baby-face. He still only had a year or so of pro experience when he got the Senior role though right? That’s what seemed off. Could be he’s super talented. Could be Derby is a rudderless shitshow. Could be both... Either way, it looks like he might have empowered more Chris micromanagement... No wonder he got out... quote:. Integrated internal streaming platform over an internal locked IP allowing to broadcast the shoot to a remote directors PC
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Nov 11, 2019 11:09
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Scruffpuff posted:The funniest image connected to this whole debacle, and there are tens of thousands, has to be this one: https://th.linkedin.com/in/joe-ponsford-03176788 ended university 2 years ago. "SENIOR"
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Nov 11, 2019 11:18
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Mr.PayDay posted:https://th.linkedin.com/in/joe-ponsford-03176788 Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLIP0ZtoiO4
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Nov 11, 2019 11:34
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Agony Aunt posted:They've just replied again. Interestingly enough, they acknowledge that both SC and SQ42 won't be out for years yet. That much they have to say because it is so glaringly obvious that SC is far from done, this living, breathing universe where a single mission giver takes years to build.
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Nov 11, 2019 12:59
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Spiderdrake posted:It's interesting realizing that this is the clearest evidence this is a scam. I mean I know it's a scam, but actually articulating it in a paragraph or two is irritating. I think they do believe they are telling the truth. Sure, they missed all their latest deadlines, but if they just really get down to it in the next few months they can make huge progress. They really mean it this time! This is why they keep going on about "pipelines" and Hail Mary tech like OBJECT CONTAINER STREAMING and SERVER MESHING (BY CHRIS ROBERTS DO NOT STEAL). I think they are just as brainwashed as the citizens and a £300,000,000 means a lot of motivated reasoning (can you imagine the stress of realizing you are loving it up).
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Nov 11, 2019 13:08
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lmao are they really calling the in game media entity the spectrum do these people have any self or societal awareness
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Nov 11, 2019 13:09
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Sandepande posted:That much they have to say because it is so glaringly obvious that SC is far from done, this living, breathing universe where a single mission giver takes years to build. Well, it is hard to model 4 jackets. And females took longer.
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Pixelate posted:He still only had a year or so of pro experience when he got the Senior role though right? That’s what seemed off. Could be he’s super talented. Could be Derby is a rudderless shitshow. Could be both... I imagine this happened because Crobert always wanted to see what was going on and kept turning up to bother people while they were working, so this dude in an attempt to get rid of him goes "why don't you set it up so you can watch what's going on from your own computer whenever you like" and welp until then he didn't even know you could do that but now he wants nothing more. You can't trust people in management no-work positions to forget about or pass up an opportunity to do even less especially if it makes them look more involved.
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Nov 11, 2019 13:29
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Der Shovel posted:I finally figured out what CIG’s written reports remind me of: those student projects where nobody did anything meaningful for a few weeks and now have to give a progress report in front of the class. A lot of ”the team started learning” and trying to twist basic poo poo into something revolutionary in an attempt to make ”copy pasted some basic code from Stackoverflow into a file and it kinda compiled?” sound like a time-consuming task and significant progress. That November report read exactly like something from SOTA.
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Nov 11, 2019 13:49
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Parallelwoody posted:Tudyk was dope in dollhouse. Dale and Tucker against evil. Tudyk is one of those guys I will watch a movie because of.
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Nov 11, 2019 14:38
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Hav posted:Dale and Tucker against evil. Tudyk is one of those guys I will watch a movie because of. Pretty good in Doom Patrol too.
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Nov 11, 2019 14:59
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Scam or not, how do the true believers react when confronted with the fact that Croberts has spent assloads of their donations on a mansion, a sports car and several vacations every year? I'm assuming they feel he's entitled to it as the saviour of PC gaming.
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Nov 11, 2019 15:10
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stingtwo posted:I hate this line "No, it's your fault. Do the groundwork, know what you are getting into. Remove yourself from the lame 'blame game' you all like to indulge in." It's people like Boo that validate Chris when he says things such as "I absolve myself." I know it's been debated if him\her being is\was an employee, but with the latest round of posts, I can't see how that's just a backer. How can any reasonable person think that CIG has no accountability if they don't deliver? Chris has said several times long before the $300 million that he has enough to complete the game if funding were to stop. At what point does a reasonable person start to question the business still taking "donations" almost ten years later? The risk is on the backers, but CIG is 100% at fault should they fail to deliver. Caveats don't absolve you of responsibility.
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Nov 11, 2019 15:16
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quote:Integrated internal streaming platform over an internal locked IP allowing to broadcast the shoot to a remote directors PC That sure is fancy talk for "Installed TeamViewer on my boss's PC."
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Nov 11, 2019 15:17
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Lodin posted:Scam or not, how do the true believers react when confronted with the fact that Croberts has spent assloads of their donations on a mansion, a sports car and several vacations every year? I'm assuming they feel he's entitled to it as the saviour of PC gaming. They mostly don't, to be honest. If they acknowledge it at all it's usually either "Chris was wealthy before Star Citizen" or something along the lines of "Well once we gave him that money it became his to do whatever he wants with. There's nothing wrong with him paying himself a nice salary" but other than that it's some Westworld poo poo any time it gets brought up. It goes hand in hand with the idea that Star Citizen can't be a scam because they are paying employees, in that if you ever try and drill down into that thought process there's absolutely no bedrock underneath it.
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Nov 11, 2019 15:19
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Agony Aunt posted:They've just replied again. Interestingly enough, they acknowledge that both SC and SQ42 won't be out for years yet. Yet, this same person thought years ago that it was right around the corner. https://web.archive.org/web/20160501020045/https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/324520/bookmark-the-next-3-months
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Nov 11, 2019 15:20
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Lodin posted:Scam or not, how do the true believers react when confronted with the fact that Croberts has spent assloads of their donations on a mansion, a sports car and several vacations every year? I'm assuming they feel he's entitled to it as the saviour of PC gaming. "He spent his own money because he was already a massive successful millionaire" "He deserves it" "Those are just rumors spread by Unbelievers"
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Nov 11, 2019 15:21
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Related subject, but Chris Roberts' fans have the exact same view of him that Scientologists have of L. Ron Hubbard. Both claim their founders were legendary, visionary geniuses whose hard work netted them massive fortunes. Thus, neither needed to create a scam (SC, Dianetics/Scientology) to bilk rubes of tens of millions of dollars. Of course what everyone else saw of both men was a has-been who was practically bankrupt because of poor spending habits / never made that much money in the first place, and so it made total sense that they'd come up with a scheme to get rich quick and surround themselves with yes-men and zealots who would insulate them from reality and defend them from all criticism.
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Nov 11, 2019 15:28
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Zaphod42 posted:Exactly, which is why TF2 still looks good but realistic games from 2007 look like rear end now. These days a game like GTA V (which came out six years ago) still looks perfectly fine.
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The fact that some of you are bewildered by the fact that people have been donating to this mega project for years and years means you've never heard of religion or cults. Don't fret, Chris is the saviour of PC gaming!
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