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HorseLord: Aug 26, 2014

Mega Comrade posted:

We just going to ignore suspicious irregularities of the election? That he ignored the referendum result on extending maximum term and just ran anyway? That when he was behind in the polls he paused the election to allow himself time to recover?
The guys done a lot of wonderful things for his country but he's looking more and more like a dictator trying to hold onto power and for Corbyn to tweet in his defence like that during a general election make me think hes a moron.

Tesseraction posted:

This is why I have kinda held off complaining about Morales, but I do also suspect there is something untoward in the way he stepped down - and how many times off the top of your head has "the military has taken over <country>" gone well in modern history?

The election watchdog goes "there's irregularities, we don't have evidence yet but totally trust us", Morales goes "alright then if there's a problem we'll have another election", but that's not good enough. The military launches a coup where they plan to loving kidnap relatives of officials until Morales explicitly says "i will resign because the military is loving kidnapping relatives of officials and I'm scared for their safety, this is a coup".

It works, he does that, and the sensible british left only have to say "oh he was a wonderful leader who was brilliant but he must be a dictator because [behavior that is normal in a western country]. Anyone who stands up for him is a moron, yay CIA" and "I suspect there is something untoward about a loving military coup".

Try not being so wet for once in your life.

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# ? May 26, 2024 23:02

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Miftan posted:

Thanks, I blame Tess.

If I was going to spend actual money buying people mean titles I wouldn't do it over chocolate, something my lactose intolerance makes difficult to consume regularly.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:24

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

HorseLord posted:

The election watchdog goes "there's irregularities, we don't have evidence yet but totally trust us", Morales goes "alright then if there's a problem we'll have another election", but that's not good enough. The military launches a coup where they plan to loving kidnap relatives of government officials until Morales explicitly says "i will resign because the military is loving kidnapping relatives of government officials and I'm scared for their safety, this is a coup".

It works, he does that, and the sensible british left only have to say "oh he was a wonderful leader who was brilliant but he must be a dictator because [behavior that is normal in a western country]. Anyone who stands up for him is a moron, yay CIA" and "I suspect there is something untoward about a loving military coup".

Try not being so wet for once in your life.

I mean, regardless of what I say, the people who want him out of power are capitalists and/or nazis, so I am sad he resigned. Just saying that the term limits thing provides an easy attack line.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:26

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Miftan posted:

Thanks, I blame Tess.

Blame your own bad opinions :colbert:

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:27

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

Tesseraction posted:

This is why I have kinda held off complaining about Morales, but I do also suspect there is something untoward in the way he stepped down - and how many times off the top of your head has "the military has taken over <country>" gone well in modern history?

I possibly may be misremembering, but Thomas Sankara and Burkino Faso started down the good path in 1984 until I think he was assassinated in 1987.

Many apologies if I am completely wrong on this.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:37

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Mega Comrade posted:

Oh I completely agree. But when your opponents are already making accusations you want to be the British Stalin, speaking up in defence of a current leader who was making all the stereotypical dictator power moves seems to me like a dumb decision.

Morales has always been treated very sympathetically in the press compared to other leaders of what our lovely regime would call lovely regimes.

Some of that's for good reason, he's done a lot of good, but also kicking the DEA out on their ear gets the libertarians interested, and being an indigenous person and standing for indigenous people's rights gets the Guardian lot interested, so he gets more than "here is an angry looking man with a mustache and a military cap, he is going to do a socialism, maybe he will do it to you" or "an muslim (scary)" to him in the press.

Because of that, I don't think supporting him has the same negative optics in the UK as supporting, say, Assad or Maduro or other Assigned UK Bad People.

e: ^^ That, I think, is part of the problem though. Either the military takes over with a man of the people who loves the people and spends time among them and then gets shot, or the military takes over with a man who hides behind guns and barbed wire, and distant from the people begins to dominate them.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Nov 11, 2019

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:39

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Me listening to the latest pod:

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:40

Praseodymi: Aug 26, 2010

VideoGames posted:

I possibly may be misremembering, but Thomas Sankara and Burkino Faso started down the good path in 1984 until I think he was assassinated in 1987.

Many apologies if I am completely wrong on this.

That was my first thought.

Worth bearing in mind that Sankara also took part in the previous military coup before becoming disillusioned and staging his own, so a few years of a decent leader who's reforms are instantly reversed in the middle of three military coups is not a great record.

E: Also, he was assassinated on the order of the French, so as per usual the real bad guys are The West.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:42

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Yeah Sankara was good but also part of a domino chain of coups that ended with a real piece of poo poo in charge.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:46

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Mega Comrade posted:

We just going to ignore suspicious irregularities of the election? That he ignored the referendum result on extending maximum term and just ran anyway? That when he was behind in the polls he paused the election to allow himself time to recover?
The guys done a lot of wonderful things for his country but he's looking more and more like a dictator trying to hold onto power and for Corbyn to tweet in his defence like that during a general election make me think hes a moron.

None of this is actually true, but don't let that stand in the way of both sidesing a democratically elected leftist and the rightwing junta that deposed him and are now actively trying to purge the left in Bolivia by way of street violence and show trials.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:47

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Tesseraction posted:

Yeah Sankara was good but also part of a domino chain of coups that ended with a real piece of poo poo in charge.

The French weren't going to let one of their colonies just improve like that and the rest of the developed world didn't want a successful African country showing what was possible

https://twitter.com/evagolinger/status/1193704121565696000?s=19

Jose fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Nov 11, 2019

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:49

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
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"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Praseodymi posted:

That was my first thought.

Worth bearing in mind that Sankara also took part in the previous military coup before becoming disillusioned and staging his own, so a few years of a decent leader who's reforms are instantly reversed in the middle of three military coups is not a great record.

E: Also, he was assassinated on the order of the French, so as per usual the real bad guys are The West.

Not quite true, he didn't stage the coup that brought himself to power, the guy that ordered his assassination and couped him, performed the coup and released him from house arrest to rule the country. gently caress the French.

e: And what's with people used to the Westminster system complaining about a democratically elected leader not having term limits? I loving hate John Howard and the fucks that kept electing him, but if he'd won the 2007 Australian election he would have tied Morales for term length and no one would have said a word.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Nov 11, 2019

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:56

HorseLord: Aug 26, 2014

Mega Comrade posted:

Oh I completely agree. But when your opponents are already making accusations you want to be the British Stalin, speaking up in defence of a current leader who was making all the stereotypical dictator power moves seems to me like a dumb decision.

They made Ed Milliband out to be the British Stalin.

If this teaches you anything it's that if they're going to call you Stalin no matter what you do, then you have no reason to compromise. You can just be Stalin if you want to, it won't make a difference to your reputation.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:57

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Rarity posted:

Me listening to the latest pod:

Hey now out of all the posters here I'd have thought you'd be sympathetic to a one trick pony!

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:57

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

namesake posted:

Hey now out of all the posters here I'd have thought you'd be sympathetic to a one trick pony!

It took you 3 minutes to explain this insult to me over Discord so I'm not sure it's quite the own you think it is

# ? Nov 11, 2019 11:59

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

It's very clearly a my little pony joke

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:02

sebzilla: Mar 17, 2009; Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1193840620701437957

lol, sure

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:03

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

sebzilla posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1193840620701437957

lol, sure

Lie on the front page and apologise the next day on the footer of page 23, nice.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:09

Mega Comrade: Apr 22, 2004; Listen buddy, we all got problems!

HorseLord posted:

They made Ed Milliband out to be the British Stalin.

If this teaches you anything it's that if they're going to call you Stalin no matter what you do, then you have no reason to compromise. You can just be Stalin if you want to, it won't make a difference to your reputation.

Sometimes its not possible to put out a fire, you just have try to control it and wait for it to burn itself out. You generally don't want to pour petrol on it though.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:13

HJB: Feb 16, 2011; I can't get enough of are Dan

Coohoolin posted:

this seems somewhat misleading...

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1193810437902655489

Here's the full quote from her on this:

quote:

ET: I think, beyond the bluster and so on of this announcement, if we look at actually what there is [the Tories are] saying, they're essentially saying Theresa May made an announcement that she would change the law when she was Prime Minister - she didn't do it - and they're going to do it, but their main purpose is to stop vexatious and unfair actions, and who could be against that? I don't think that personally you need to change the Human Rights Act about that-

NR: You think there is another way of protecting veterans?

ET: Yes, I mean the, in the end it will be for the prosecuting authorities to decide when they prosecute and when they don't prosecute, and of course they shouldn't allow for vexatious or unfair actions.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:19

HorseLord: Aug 26, 2014

Mega Comrade posted:

Sometimes its not possible to put out a fire, you just have try to control it and wait for it to burn itself out. You generally don't want to pour petrol on it though.

Yeah let me check my schedule for a right time to take advice from an apologist for a fascist military coup

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:21

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

Rarity posted:

Me listening to the latest pod:

*looks wistfully at boxes of unsold "I'm Glad She's Dead" mugs, t-shirts and keychains*

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:22

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

mehall posted:

Morales agreed to have another election as soon as OAS released their report.

The Supreme Court of Bolivia said term limits were unconstitutional.

The "pause" in vote counting was the "quick" count, something which the OAS requests.
They stopped the quick count after counting around 80% of votes, which is normal.
The quick count has no bearing on the final decision, only the full count confirms the election.
After OAS and others insisted on the quick count continuing for some reason (I've not been able to discern any valid reasoning behind it) then they resumed the quick count. Next release of numbers was 24 hours later, as you indicated, and that release of the quick count was something like 92% of votes counted.
Morales was about 7.8% clear of the 2nd place person at 80% count, and the progression to just over 10% clear, avoiding a runoff, was indicated by the gains he was making prior to that point, and expected as the votes counted last are rural votes, which are a strong area for Morales.

can you put this in tweet form so i can retweet it thanks

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:22

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

HJB posted:

Here's the full quote from her on this:

mmm that's not full on "i support the law to make child murdering veterans immune" but it's not great, is it

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Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

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Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Nov 11, 2019

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Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

I'm seeing chunks of the OAS report that indicate real issues with tampering with the vote tally, anyone got a link to the actual report? Everything I see makes it sound like they caught the numbers being tweaked to avoid a runoff.

edit nm: http://www.oas.org/documents/spa/press/Informe-Auditoria-Bolivia-2019.pdf

Yeah, looks like someone hosed with the vote count to avoid a runoff, based on the OAS report.

quote:

Conclusions of the preliminary findings

In the four elements reviewed (technology, chain of custody, integrity of the records and statistical projections) irregularities were found, ranging from very serious to indicative. This leads the technical audit team to question the integrity of the election results of last October 20.

In the computer component, serious security flaws were discovered in both the TREP and the final computation systems. In addition, a clear manipulation of the TREP system was discovered that affected both the results of said system, as well as those of the final calculation.

The existence of 1,575 TREP minutes in the final calculation corresponds to approximately 350 thousand votes. The margin of victory in the first round is less than 40 thousand votes. Therefore, an irregularity of these dimensions is decisive for the result. For these reasons, the audit team cannot validate a victory in the first round.

The manipulations to the computer system are of such magnitude that they must be deeply investigated by the Bolivian State to get to the bottom and disclaim the responsibilities of this serious case.

The existence of physical records with alterations and forged signatures also impacts the integrity of the official calculation.

Of 176 analyzed minutes of the sample that had been scrutinized in Argentina, 38.07% presented inconsistencies with the number of citizens who paid. That is, the minutes reflect a greater number of votes than the total in the index lists.

Taking into account the statistical projections, it is possible that the candidate Morales was in first place and the candidate Mesa in second. However, it is statistically unlikely that Morales has obtained a 10% difference to avoid a second round.

OAS technicians had the necessary information and access to carry out their work.

The audit team cannot validate the results of this election, so another electoral process is recommended. Any future process must have new electoral authorities to carry out reliable elections.

Finally, the team of auditors will continue to process information and the more than 250 complaints received about the electoral process for the final report, which will contain a series of recommendations. However, preliminary findings are compelling.

Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Nov 11, 2019

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:29

escapegoat: Aug 18, 2013

Jose posted:

It's very clearly a my little pony joke

Well you know how Discord is.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:31

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

For all this thread claims to support trans rights, there's a hell of a lot of you misgendering and deadnaming our Prime Minister. They have said many times that henceforth they wish to be known as Diana Ditch. Please respect their choice.

Thank you.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:36

Rustybear: Nov 16, 2006; what the thunder said

Sorry can someone clarify are we saying they used the wrong clip on some news report or that the live feed was spliced with old footage 'correction' style.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:36

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Rustybear posted:

Sorry can someone clarify are we saying they used the wrong clip on some news report or that the live feed was spliced with old footage 'correction' style.

they used old footage this morning reporting on it instead of the footage from yesterday

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:37

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

Rustybear posted:

Sorry can someone clarify are we saying they used the wrong clip on some news report or that the live feed was spliced with old footage 'correction' style.

I think I read the clip wrong, as far as I can see the live feed wasn't spliced. Oops.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:38

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Necrothatcher posted:

*looks wistfully at boxes of unsold "I'm Glad She's Dead" mugs, t-shirts and keychains*

When the podcast blows up and we start a merch store we can move it all. Personally, I don't know how I'd feel about a t shirt with a picture of thatcher on. I've got one with Cameron kissing a severed pig's head and it always makes the wife uncomfortable because she hates seeing Cameron's face.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:39

Rustybear: Nov 16, 2006; what the thunder said

Jose posted:

they used old footage this morning reporting on it instead of the footage from yesterday

Oh ok while unsurprising that's not quite as insane as I'd heard.

At the end of the day, they're the state broadcaster. The idea that they're not an impartial bastion of journalistic integrity is only news to ppl whose views have only marginally and recently diverged from British institutional opinion.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:41

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Miftan posted:

When the podcast blows up and we start a merch store we can move it all. Personally, I don't know how I'd feel about a t shirt with a picture of thatcher on. I've got one with Cameron kissing a severed pig's head and it always makes the wife uncomfortable because she hates seeing Cameron's face.

Note to self: workshop marketable catchphrases so I can rake it in on merch royalties

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:42

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

https://twitter.com/TPGLA1/status/1193855112428556288?s=20

Didn't realise you lived so close by Jose.

Mega Comrade posted:

We just going to ignore suspicious irregularities of the election? That he ignored the referendum result on extending maximum term and just ran anyway? That when he was behind in the polls he paused the election to allow himself time to recover?
The guys done a lot of wonderful things for his country but he's looking more and more like a dictator trying to hold onto power and for Corbyn to tweet in his defence like that during a general election make me think hes a moron.

Yes, we are going to ignore the irrelevant things and focus on the right wing coup you dipshit lib.

And lol at quoting the OAS. Yes, US backed organisations are always the ones I trust :thunk:

Let's be clear. Morales was talking about nationalising a mining industry to ensure one of the poorest nations in South America gets a fairer sharer of the export of its natural resources. Then he got couped. Anything else is a distraction.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Nov 11, 2019

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:42

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

forkboy84 posted:

And lol at quoting the OAS. Yes, US backed organisations are always the ones I trust

ed: nm. this is the wrong thread for this.

Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Nov 11, 2019

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:45

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lmao

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1193549390193004544

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:46

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1193842069875437569?s=19

al qaeda don't need the white helmets for PR anymore they have the turkish army lmao

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:47

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

VideoGames posted:

I possibly may be misremembering, but Thomas Sankara and Burkino Faso started down the good path in 1984 until I think he was assassinated in 1987.

Many apologies if I am completely wrong on this.

I found this essay fascinating - from Military Marxist Regimes in Africa by Markakis and Waller, published 1986, a year before Compaor� would coup Sankara:

quote:

In a basically agrarian country like Burkina, where the peasantry represents 87 per cent of the active population, any change in the property law and in the social structures that it underpins cannot but follow a certain political logic. The logic that inspired the reform of 9 August 1984 was a categorial one since, according to the terms of the ordinance that sets out its content, it falls within the framework of the fight for economic independence that was initiated on 4 August 1983 [when Compaor� staged the 1983 coup that would release the arrested Sankara and make him president]. It is with this struggle in view that the reform dispossesses the great landed proprietors and abolishes the traditional rules with reference to which the chiefs held their vast estates. The confiscated land was distributed according to the principle 'one plot of land for one person or one household'. ...The reform, ... is the key-piece in the 'anti-feudal struggle' of the NCR [National Council of the Revolution, Sankara's junta/cabinet]; it crowns a movement that started in January 1984 with the abrogation of the laws giving their customary chiefs their political and administrative rights, their incomes and their privileges.

By stripping the chiefs of all their power, the NCR aspires to 'break' the traditional systems of inequality and domination and to clear the way for the emergence of social partners all the more receptive to its discourse for having been freed from their subordination to the hierarchy. But the latter, despite the attacks made on it, still disposes of substantial influence. In certain cases it has even managed to recover its lost positions by taking control, especially in the countryside, of the Committees for the Defence of the Revolution (the CDRs). It is thus still in a position to resist the decrees of the central government, and therefore to block the transformation of social relations on which the success of the agrarian and property reform depends.

This is why the NCR has taken a number of measures in parallel that are favourable to the rural areas (in particular a rise in the official purchase price paid to the producer for cereals, [...]) at the risk of upsetting urban workers by reducing their purchasing power. But if it taking this risk of cutting itself off from a social base that applauded its arrival, this is precisely because its economic aim... involves a total overturning of the imbalance ... between the urban and rural worlds, a plan that depends on the reversal of political alliances mentioned above... but the NCR hesitates to commit itself whole-heartedly to this course of action, as is witnessed by the pursuit of 'grand' projects bureaucratically decreed 'from above' (such as that concerning the Sourou Valley), the economic viability of which is doubtful. ... the question arises with particular salience is that of the social base that the revolution will be able, or unable, to create for itself. ...

The manner in which the NCR has chosen to treat its economic problems illustrates the narrowness of its margin for manoeuvre, the inconsistencies of its policies, and its refusal from the start to engage in overall state dirigisme. In response to the fears that have been aroused in economic circles, the military constantly repeats that 'the private sector has its place in the revolution'. Whether through prudence or tactical choice, French economic and financial interests in industry have never been threatened. Even more significantly, the regulations concerning investments have been revised in such a way as to favour the creation of enterprises using national capital - a goal that has nothing 'revolutionary' about it, since it was already considered a priority under the Third Republic, but which is frustrated, and will continue to be frustrated, by the structural weakness of Burkina's economy. A break with the liberalism of preceding regimes is therefore hardly on the agenda. At the most the regime seems to be moving toward a mixed economy, comprising an enlarged public sector and a private sector governed by the law of the market. Ideological voluntarism has turned out not to be entirely compatible with economic and political realities.

...

Like it or not, the NCR has ... had to comply with the requirements of the IMF and to adopt unpopular measures designed to bring order to the country's economy and finances. This was a fundamental condition for obtaining the credits ($16 million Special Drawing Rights) requested in 1981. Placed under surveillance, the Burkina government has adopted a policy of budgetary austerity based on a reduction of public spending, through measures such as a slimming-down of administrative personnel in the public service by mass dismissals and early retirements, reduction of wages, salaries, and bonuses, 'voluntary' contributions, elimination of rewards in kind to senior officials, and increased tax burdens through the abolition of family allowances [ronya ed note: such postcolonial civil-service roles tend to the preserve of the former colonial bureaucracy/upper-class, and cutting them isn't quite like cutting the NHS. The author is here assuming the reader is aware that Sankara here is cutting benefits to the rich]. But these measures having been judged insufficient by the IMF, yet others have had to be taken affecting the least favoured social strata - in particular an increase in taxation on items of current consumption and on oil products.

Relations with France are equally indicative of these constraints. The ex-metropolis is by a long way the chief provider of aid to Burkina. Year in, year out, its assistance amounts to over 40% of the national budget...

The NCR has offered proof of its pragmatism... but this pragmatism poses a number of questions... for it is obvious that the policy of austerity will conflict with the proclaimed goals of a better life and prosperity and that, if it is to be accepted, it must rest on a minimum on political consensus. Yet, a little over two years after coming into power, the NCR appears extremely isolated, its principal supporters having abandoned it one after the other, victims of internal conflicts and of power struggles.

These supporters were drawn for most part from the far left.. ideologically there is not much in common between the LIPAD [Patriotic League for Development, USSR-aligned] with its 'classical' Marxism based on promoting the idea of the leading role of the working class, the ULC [Union of Reconstructed Communist Struggle, Sankara/Beijing-aligned] which is closer to the pro-peasant model inspired by the Chinese revolution, and the PCRV [Voltaic Revolutionary Communist Party, dominant in the student unions and other educated youth], which adheres to the Albanian positions. Of the three principal political formations of the extreme left it is the LIPAD without doubt that had the best chance influencing the NCR: it possess battle-tried cadres, a sense of organization, experience of political struggles and, above all, a strong presence in the Burkina trade union confederation, which gave it unique possibilities for mobilizing the people. Aware of its power, and wagering - perhaps wrongly - on the personal links that bound its leader, Adama Tour�, to Thomas Sankara, the LIPAD strove to set its imprint on the revolutionary process, profiting from its presence in the government to try to infiltrate the state apparatus. But its ambitions conflicted with the plans of the military who, whilst anxious to have civilians by their side, intended to keep a tight grip on power. Since then, the tension between them and the LIPAD was to increase, punctuated in May 1984 by the dismissal of the 'Lipadist' Minister for Youth and Sports [ronya ed note: can there be a more obvious sinecure position], who was accused of wanting to give his organization credit for the 'anti-imperialist' demonstrations organized by the government on the occasion of the Festival of Labour, and culminating a few months later in the sacking of the other LIPAD ministers.

As a result of this complete break with the LIPAD the NCR is left virtually alone in power, the presence of the ULC in several posts of responsibility not giving anyone any illusions. In fact, power lies more and more, in real terms, in the hands of the followers of Thomas Sankara. It is they who hold most of the ministerial briefs (such as defence, the economy, information). ... More seriously, the conflict with the LIPAD provoked disagreements even within the NCR, where Captain Blaise Compaor�, one of the chief leaders of the regime who is said to be close to the Soviet Union, could not accept the purge of the 'Lipadist' ministers...

Too revolutionary for the rural peasantry who resent the cultural imposition, not revolutionary enough for the urban left who fantasize about an impossible, unwinnable confrontation with foreign powers whilst rejecting any reduction in their own consumption, viciously opposed by the middle-class trade unions on whose behalf it nominally governs, denounced as too liberal and compromising in its own time and ultimately deposed by the original father of the revolution - theoretically on the Marxist-Leninist left seeking to oppose counter-revolutionary tendencies, and who instead himself became the IMF's personal debt collector within two years - and instead being valourized as far more revolutionary than it really was after the fact across the entire region

All in all, Morales merely wanting to sell beef to the Socialism with Chinese Characteristics seems pretty tame in comparison, has to be said

ronya fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Nov 11, 2019

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

gh0stpinballa posted:

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1193842069875437569?s=19

al qaeda don't need the white helmets for PR anymore they have the turkish army lmao

This happened shortly after Russia announced he was a former MI6 spy. So likely this is a Russian revenge for being a thorn in Assad's side. Also does call into question whether he was doing it for altruistic reasons or to aid UK foreign policy in the region.

# ? Nov 11, 2019 12:54

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