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Someone said Morales stuffed the supreme court with people sympathetic to him butquote:Artículo 182. "The Magistrates of the Supreme Court of Justice shall be elected by universal suffrage"
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it sure is weird that a country with some of the largest lithium deposits in the world that’s also nationalized said mining would get couped like that. weird.
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Nov 11, 2019 08:05
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Instant Sunrise posted:it sure is weird that a country with some of the largest lithium deposits in the world that’s also nationalized said mining would get couped like that. look gyges might have this magic ring, but we can't actually know that he or any of his friends who know about it would ever take advantage of it
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Nov 11, 2019 08:07
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Bernie has promised to reverse the coup, if elected.
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Nov 11, 2019 08:13
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i like to think i'm actually pretty educable and appreciate the effort by the dudes in the dnd thread when i ask questions or when things happen i don't ask questions about, i'm just not terribly interested in enduring performative jeers hereabouts so I mostly just lurk and read the occasional actual content The issue is that there's a built-in higher level of trust in mainstream narratives that will repeatedly and inevitably lead you to the wrong conclusion on issues like this (or previously Venezuela). It's understandable to have this flawed perspective at some point, since most people in the US do, but it stops being an excuse after you've engaged with people arguing from other perspectives and see the extent to which all mainstream US reporting on these topics is propaganda to an extent likely exceeding that of sources like teleSUR (largely because the US is coming from a significantly worse ideological perspective, what with being explicitly right-wing and all). In practice, a "US media is flawed/biased, but so is teleSUR and Morales maybe had some issues so who can really say what the truth is" opinion is a right-wing one, in the same way that it would be right-wing if someone said "well, I don't trust white supremacists, but these non-white supremacists are also sometimes iffy so who can really say who is right and who is wrong." The most important take-away from these situations should be that you should always default to opposing any sort of US-approved "regime change"/coup, especially if the government being replaced is even remotely considered left-wing. It isn't somehow more reasonable to be "neutral" on the topic, because "neutrality" in these situations is effectively support for the status quo. Non-democratic change of remotely democratic government is the sort of thing that should always be treated as a bad thing absent some extremely strong proof that it's "valid," and "bad things about the prior government" do not constitute an excuse for a coup (and that's even if you believe such things, when most sources for that kind of information should be taken with a huge grain of salt). It isn't somehow rude or bad to not blindly trust what some random English-speaking person from the country in question says; the voices of the supporters for coups or US intervention have always been used to try and affect US public opinion, even with stuff like the Iraq War.
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Nov 11, 2019 08:14
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https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1193756079219453952
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Nov 11, 2019 09:44
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Nov 11, 2019 09:49
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https://twitter.com/SanaSaeed/status/1193763179916079104?s=19
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Nov 11, 2019 10:23
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megalodong posted:Someone said Morales stuffed the supreme court with people sympathetic to him but He stuffed the electorate with his supporters, very dictatorial.
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Nov 11, 2019 10:42
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https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1193729237779386368
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Nov 11, 2019 11:29
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i like to think i'm actually pretty educable and appreciate the effort by the dudes in the dnd thread when i ask questions or when things happen i don't ask questions about, i'm just not terribly interested in enduring performative jeers hereabouts so I mostly just lurk and read the occasional actual content So have you managed to figure out whether the democratically elected president who has fought tirelessly for the poor and the minorities or the rightwing fascist junta that's currently trying to purge the left by way of show trials and massive violence are the bad guys yet?
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Nov 11, 2019 11:34
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https://twitter.com/evagolinger/status/1193704121565696000?s=19
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Nov 11, 2019 11:52
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i like to think i'm actually pretty educable and appreciate the effort by the dudes in the dnd thread when i ask questions or when things happen i don't ask questions about, i'm just not terribly interested in enduring performative jeers hereabouts so I mostly just lurk and read the occasional actual content this is exactly the same as folks who are all “just asking questions about the shape of black peoples skills” and “WOW, guess I gotta support racism because these SJWs are so mean to me” and honestly no one here expected any different from you.
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Nov 11, 2019 11:53
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Nov 11, 2019 11:56
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Yeah well liberals have already accepted that the "democratic process" is already on schedule so good luck getting them to care about this.
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Nov 11, 2019 12:03
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the people supporting the opposition and trying to square that with “we love democracy, but it had to be stopped by the military” and “I’m not a nazi just cause I support a party with tons of nazis in it” is a sight to behold also someone brought up one of the Venezuela thread regulars not having scrubbed his account and turning out to be a white as gently caress perfect English speaking guy in another country. was it the original creator of the Venezuela thread or the guy with the eagle avatar (can’t remember their names sorry)
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Nov 11, 2019 12:23
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Nov 11, 2019 12:28
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Condiv posted:the people supporting the opposition and trying to square that with “we love democracy, but it had to be stopped by the military” and “I’m not a nazi just cause I support a party with tons of nazis in it” is a sight to behold it was fnox, i think his excuse was that he was a venezuelan "expat" living in sweden which means he's the child of some gusano at best. his family probably stood to make out well if the coup went off without a hitch. and yeah that guy claiming to be a bolivian not knowing that one of the top opposition leaders is an out-and-out nazi was pretty funny
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Nov 11, 2019 12:37
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it's unbolivable but sabine mengele-eichmann's ghost lives on
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Nov 11, 2019 12:42
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:it was fnox, i think his excuse was that he was a venezuelan "expat" living in sweden which means he's the child of some gusano at best. his family probably stood to make out well if the coup went off without a hitch. I got a month probation for doubting fnox and refusing to commit to “maduro is clearly evil” messaging. it kinda sucks that ppj decided that the gusanos in the venezuela thread of yore were trustworthy and decided to punish me for being a skeptic
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Nov 11, 2019 12:45
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"believe people from that country" is such a brain-dead retort because it flattens class and ideological distinctions, hides motives, and occludes how that person is in a position to talk to you over the internet in the first place
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Nov 11, 2019 12:55
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lmao i had no idea fnox had been streaming himself playing games showing everything he said was full of poo poo
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Nov 11, 2019 12:56
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420 Gank Mid posted:I'm p sure that guy is a getfiscal rereg because no one else could generate such aggressively confident and perfectly incorrect naïveté retract this baseless insult against getfiscal immediately
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Nov 11, 2019 12:56
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it's so odd that those threads never seem to get posters claiming to be from one of the many latin american countries under the yoke of brutal neo-liberal austerity/openly fascist governments. every time there's a left wing government to topple there just happens to be some native lurker who has so much to say about how bad the current government is, but apparently there are no native hondurans or brazilians who read this dead forum. very strange!
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Nov 11, 2019 13:00
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Jose posted:lmao i had no idea fnox had been streaming himself playing games showing everything he said was full of poo poo lmao holy poo poo
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Nov 11, 2019 13:03
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:it's so odd that those threads never seem to get posters claiming to be from one of the many latin american countries under the yoke of brutal neo-liberal austerity/openly fascist governments. every time there's a left wing government to topple there just happens to be some native lurker who has so much to say about how bad the current government is, but apparently there are no native hondurans or brazilians who read this dead forum. very strange! I made a BRPOL thread in this very subforum dude
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Nov 11, 2019 13:10
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Also I know at leas half a dozen Chilean and Argie goons from different subforums
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Nov 11, 2019 13:12
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Plutonis posted:I made a BRPOL thread in this very subforum dude yeah sorry that was a pretty lovely post, i didn't realize that d&d thread was actually really old and figured it was a new version of the venezuela thread made in response to the current situation in bolivia. there are actually plenty of posts about brazilian politics in it.
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Nov 11, 2019 13:28
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Plutonis posted:I made a BRPOL thread in this very subforum dude Yes but are you really brazilian?? Now excuse me I wanna get the straight dope on Latin America from Johann Höss-Fraticelli, who is a certified LatinX Anericab
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Nov 11, 2019 13:32
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gradenko_2000 posted:"believe people from that country" is such a brain-dead retort because it flattens class and ideological distinctions, hides motives, and occludes how that person is in a position to talk to you over the internet in the first place It's a really dipshit deference to authenticity. As if the "authenticity" of somebody's identity should mean all your convictions go flying out the window.
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Nov 11, 2019 13:45
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If Sabine Mengele-Eichman says Morales is a new Hitler then who am I to question that? I'm a good gringo and an ally.
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Nov 11, 2019 13:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's a really dipshit deference to authenticity. As if the "authenticity" of somebody's identity should mean all your convictions go flying out the window. im imagining someone trying to understand the usa by taking what Average Americans say at face value and im nodding thoughtfully
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Nov 11, 2019 13:55
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Tiler Kiwi posted:im imagining someone trying to understand the usa by taking what Average Americans say at face value and im nodding thoughtfully that's how youtube works yes
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Nov 11, 2019 13:59
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Tiler Kiwi posted:im imagining someone trying to understand the usa by taking what Average Americans say at face value and im nodding thoughtfully the appropriate analogy there would be some foreigner talking to a born-into-wealth manhattaner and coming away from it thinking americans are deeply worried about the dictatorial inheritance tax and landlord's rights
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Andres Oppenheimer huh
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Nov 11, 2019 14:14
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I like my dictatorships with runoff elections.
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:the appropriate analogy there would be some foreigner talking to a born-into-wealth manhattaner and coming away from it thinking americans are deeply worried about the dictatorial inheritance tax and landlord's rights That's somewhat how Portugal reports on US matters, at least the Globo funded one. Thankfully today I arrive home later than 9 pm, so I'll avoid them doing poo poo like hearing a indigenous person describe avoiding death squads and the narrator describing it as "upset they can no longer have their traditional diet". Kunster has issued a correction as of 14:31 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Surprisingly decent article on that expat nutbar in Chile from WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/11/john-cobin-chile-shooting-protesters-video/ Make it to the end for some bonus ACAB
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