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CGI Stardust posted:post your favourite lyrics from this song I couldn't even make it to the song beginning, I could feel the cringe building up and had to abort.
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Here's hoping the dupes who paid 500quid (?) to stand in those seats collectively ask for their money back; they'll probably literally throw more at him though.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:New local candidate A Aaron Aaronson announces they are standing in every constituency. Yeah but who's gonna vote for a ginger?
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sebzilla posted:Already gone, what was it? Supposedly a Brexit Party PPC finding out about the new pact and saying "gently caress this strategy and gently caress Johnson" but rumours are it was a parody account that imitated the actual PPC.
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mfcrocker posted:I don't get the age cutoff here - assisted suicide should just be legal. A right to life should be a right to die too. The idea is that age is a terminal disease and that you'd be avoiding the suffrable part of ageing: the latter years. This isn't about offering suicide to those weary of life in the physical prime.
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Azza Bamboo posted:The idea is that age is a terminal disease and that you'd be avoiding the suffrable part of ageing: the latter years. This isn't about offering suicide to those weary of life. Thus as it stands the Suicide Act is discriminatory.
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Azza Bamboo posted:The idea is that age is a terminal disease and that you'd be avoiding the suffrable part of ageing: the latter years. This isn't about offering suicide to those weary of life in the physical prime. Why not? By your own argument, being alive at all is a terminal disease and if anyone wants out they should be able to make that call.
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biglads posted:Boris in Nigel's pocket poster when? https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1193885801286979585?s=19 lol
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Tesseraction posted:I couldn't even make it to the song beginning, I could feel the cringe building up and had to abort.
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https://twitter.com/MollyMEP/status/1193889281640673280 JFC the Greens are shitheads right now
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I just asked myself "what's the most neoliberal solution to the euthanasia debate?" and got the answer "Sarcos by Serco" which amused me.
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It's only a disease or illness at the point in which it causes dis ease or makes one ill. The age cut off is a crude approximation of when this would begin, true, because some will be showing deterioration before and others after such a cut off. It's just a practicable way to achieve it, as having a health professional deliberate on your condition seems to me a large use of resources proportionate to the benefit achieved, although it would be an option additional to the age cut off. If someone is physically unable to end their life and has no chances of improving then naturally that should be allowed. The trouble I have in other peoples reasoning is whether we extend graces to people who aren't inherently suffering or are potentially experiencing transient mental illness that would call into question their capacity to consent to death. I wouldn't have suicide opened up to everyone or this attitude that "well the able bodied can do it, and so must I". Also the argument is migrating from what should have been a very limited scope in my argument: In order to avoid the suffering inherent in the latter years there needs to be some means of ending life with grace, and an age cutoff is a crude but practicable means of determining this. It suffers the same issue of having mental ill health become involved and the more I think about it the more I think perhaps the age cut off is a bad idea and having the health professionals decide is a worthy expense. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/MollyMEP/status/1193889281640673280 This is the woman who said the green new deal was bad because it involves the unions
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I honestly think the brexit party standing down will hand the win to the tories, this loving sucks
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Ash Crimson posted:I honestly think the brexit party standing down will hand the win to the tories, this loving sucks Try not to get too pessimistic about it. Being so obviously in bed with the Tories is going to do damage to the labour > brexit party vote https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1193893360026697731?s=19
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Ash Crimson posted:I honestly think the brexit party standing down will hand the win to the tories, this loving sucks Why? The Tories didn't win even before the Nigel Farage party started saying they're failing at Brexit. They're not even completely standing down, they're still running and campaigning in seats the Tories will need to win for a majority.
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Tenebrais posted:Why? The Tories didn't win even before the Nigel Farage party started saying they're failing at Brexit. They're not even completely standing down, they're still running and campaigning in seats the Tories will need to win for a majority. Any split of the Conservative vote is good for labour, with this news it makes it more probable that seats that could flip, won't
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Essentially drawing the line at "tory held seats" is the issue, I think, because labour's targeting marginal seats, either side of the margin.
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Lol https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1193866082546790400?s=19
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Might be a bit of "video game myths" but apparently, when the first JRPGs were out in the US, people returned them in droves because "There was too much text and they didnt want to read all that"
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Ash Crimson posted:Any split of the Conservative vote is good for labour, with this news it makes it more probable that seats that could flip, won't BXP don't just split the conservative vote, though, as a party they're targeted heavily at labour voters as well. Tory voters that vote BXP are good for labour, but labour voters that do are bad, and I think which you're gonna get depends a lot on the area and not necessarily on whether the incumbent is a tory or a labour MP.
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This is good for posters who question Morales trying to remove term limits because it's absolutely going to happen in Bolivia. Our press will be the same https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1...ingawful.com%2F
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OwlFancier posted:BXP don't just split the conservative vote, though, as a party they're targeted heavily at labour voters as well. I get that but they're still running candidates in labour seats
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Ash Crimson posted:I honestly think the brexit party standing down will hand the win to the tories, this loving sucks in order to lower Labour's seat count by taking Con / Lab marginals, more would have to switch from Lab to BXP than from Con to BXP, which seems a bit off (this is gut reaction, not anything supported by data)
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Ash Crimson posted:I get that but they're still running candidates in labour seats
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Tories on Twitter are screaming that this will split the vote in the Labour marginals they won in 2017, making it harder for them to peel off the seats they need for a majority.
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As I recall more Labour leavers than Tory leavers defect to the Brexit Party, but the percentage of Labour leavers is way below the number of Tory remainers.
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Wow this is shocking. Labour attacking a political rival in an election who could have seen this coming https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1193876766571585542?s=19
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Tesseraction posted:As I recall more Labour leavers than Tory leavers defect to the Brexit Party, but the percentage of Labour leavers is way below the number of Tory remainers. Yeah the actual numbers moving matter much more than %s on this particular question and that's very bad for Tory campaigns. The aggressive Brexit messaging needs to move onto attacking Boris' deal to push the BXP voters in Tory seats into not voting and into voting BXP everywhere else. Jose posted:Wow this is shocking. Labour attacking a political rival in an election who could have seen this coming Yeah so I dunno if this is particularly the right line to take in a general sense, having them framed as substitutes only makes sense if BXP voters are Never Tory sort of people which seems sort of unproven. The Tories specific flaws need to be emphasised and let the voters decide where else to float to. namesake fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Tesseraction posted:As I recall more Labour leavers than Tory leavers defect to the Brexit Party, but the percentage of Labour leavers is way below the number of Tory remainers. I vaguely recall something about UKIP voters historically often having 'did not vote' as their second choice and a lot of that cohort often didn't vote tory if they had arrived at the polling station and found they couldn't vote UKIP.
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Ash Crimson posted:I get that but they're still running candidates in labour seats If they run in Crewe/Nantwich I'll be loving delighted, the Lab majority there was only in double digits in 2017, it's a big hospital and rail town so I'd imagine it'll hurt the Tory vote more than Labour's.
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Azza Bamboo posted:I disagree with what is almost direct ageism. I get that there's bitterness about the way some people vote but disenfranchising citizens is not the answer. Me too. I'm nearer 70 than 40 and I can say that there a lot of people older than me who are socialists through and through. Our local CLP for example has quite an old demographic and they are the ones who do almost all the work - meetings, stall running, leafleting, canvassing... and a good proportion of them are pro-Corbyn having re-joined the party (as I did) in 2015 when we finally got a socialist leader. Many of us left in disgust at the Blair government particularly after Iraq. Over 70s are no more homogenous as an age group than under 30s or indeed any other 'grouping'.
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Did have a galaxy brain idea: if you're in one of these Tory seats the Brexit Party aren't contesting, run as the NO DEAL BREXIT Party and see how many gullible olds you can have vote for you, splitting the vote.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Over 70s are no more homogenous as an age group than under 30s or indeed any other 'grouping'. I mean, yes in that both groups are comparably homogenous tories/labour respectively 
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Tesseraction posted:Did have a galaxy brain idea: if you're in one of these Tory seats the Brexit Party aren't contesting, run as the NO DEAL BREXIT Party and see how many gullible olds you can have vote for you, splitting the vote. I'd so do this if I could afford to lose the reg fee. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Me too. I'm nearer 70 than 40 and I can say that there a lot of people older than me who are socialists through and through. Our local CLP for example has quite an old demographic and they are the ones who do almost all the work - meetings, stall running, leafleting, canvassing... and a good proportion of them are pro-Corbyn having re-joined the party (as I did) in 2015 when we finally got a socialist leader. Many of us left in disgust at the Blair government particularly after Iraq. Biggest problem I've seen among the Labour olds is that they buy all the media poo poo and feel betrayed by Corbyn. I hope neuroplasticity and the visceral feeling of sticking an X next to Tory sorts that out. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Tesseraction posted:Did have a galaxy brain idea: if you're in one of these Tory seats the Brexit Party aren't contesting, run as the NO DEAL BREXIT Party and see how many gullible olds you can have vote for you, splitting the vote. I'd suggest the CRASH OUT OF EU(?) NO(,) DEAL BREXIT! party but then the critical demographic of young meme lords would vote for it over Labour which is not good...
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Tenebrais posted:Implying Johnson didn't outright bribe Farage for this. I wonder what he offered. He doesn't need to have offered anything. Farage wants Brexit and Brexit only for Reasons financial. He's going to be richer than Blair by 2025
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