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Prince Myshkin posted:I think people were asking whether the image you posted was really from Hikvision, since it's so ineptly bigoted. The image is IPVM’s creation, yeah. Sorry that that wasn’t clear enough.
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Nov 12, 2019 05:29
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Smeef posted:Not gonna post it, because it’s disturbing, but a dude got doused in fuel and lit on fire today. There were a lot of people filming, and it’s been playing on TV all day, along with the video of the cop shooting the protestor. I think he was a counter-protestor confronting protestors. He was attacking protestors in the MTR, literally chasing a whole group of them. This is really the most disappointing thread in D&D. Didn't expect to see so many people licking the police boot.
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Nov 12, 2019 08:52
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Kafka Esq. posted:He was attacking protestors in the MTR, literally chasing a whole group of them. What the gently caress does that mean? Therefore burning people alive is justified?
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Nov 12, 2019 09:09
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whatever7 posted:What the gently caress does that mean? Therefore burning people alive is justified? Is it really so different from throwing a molotov cocktail? I mean, we saw way worse in the Euromaidan protests. With people getting shot and run over by police (and more than likely faking suicides), yeah, I'm not really shedding a tear for a guy trying to attack some kids on their behalf. I mean, yeah, it's pretty wasted on some idiot old man, but the feigned outrage is really overbearing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 12, 2019 09:16
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Gotta hand it to the protesters, between the guy being set alight and Junius Ho's stabbing, they are beginning to get really good at committing crimes with someone recording them in close proximity
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Nov 12, 2019 09:24
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It’s possible to believe people have a right to protest without defending them burning someone alive. Attempting to justify actions like that discredits any other attempts to defend the protests. It doesn’t matter what that guy did, pouring fuel him and lighting it on fire is not an appropriate response. Unrest is necessary to force change, and violence sometimes is going to be a part of that, but there’s no need to step in and defend sadistic, inhuman behavior. I don’t think anybody in this thread changed their minds about the protests because of that incident. The tankies and Chinese nationalists or whoever are still going to oppose the protests and most everyone else is still going to support them. Hopefully everyone together can oppose burning people alive. Heithinn Grasida fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 09:27
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Heithinn Grasida posted:It’s possible to believe people have a right to protest without defending them burning someone alive. Attempting to justify actions like that discredits any other attempts to defend the protests. It doesn’t matter what that guy did, pouring fuel him and lighting it on fire is not an appropriate response. Unrest is necessary to force change, and violence sometimes is going to be a part of that, but there’s no need to step in and defend sadistic, inhuman behavior. Alright, alright, jeez. I shall make the appropriate obeisance to the idiot's right to not be set on fire. He's still an idiot that attacked and chased people on behalf of the folks gunning people down in the street.
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Nov 12, 2019 09:40
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Kafka Esq. posted:Alright, alright, jeez. I shall make the appropriate obeisance to the idiot's right to not be set on fire. He's still an idiot that attacked and chased people on behalf of the folks gunning people down in the street. if you're going to make a pretend apology for your justification of burning someone alive, you could at least not end it with another justification for burning someone alive
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Nov 12, 2019 09:48
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Just trying to keep the focus on the pro-democracy movement, and not the wannabe brownshirts. Y'all are awfully concerned about appearances in a losing war against a genocidal nation.
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Nov 12, 2019 09:51
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Kafka Esq. posted:He was attacking protestors in the MTR, literally chasing a whole group of them. Kafka Esq. posted:Is it really so different from throwing a molotov cocktail? I mean, we saw way worse in the Euromaidan protests. With people getting shot and run over by police (and more than likely faking suicides), yeah, I'm not really shedding a tear for a guy trying to attack some kids on their behalf. I mean, yeah, it's pretty wasted on some idiot old man, but the feigned outrage is really overbearing. Are you suggesting that I'm licking the police boot or shedding tears for the human torch by making a matter-of-fact post about a video of a guy being lit on fire — a video which features zero police and would be disturbing regardless of context? Have you seen the video? No one is being chased or attacked. They're standing face to face. There are a handful of people around the guy. The guy is not the Terminator. He's a scrawny rear end old man. It looks tense, sure, but there's no violent struggle. Then someone steps up and douses him in fuel. Then sparks it. I'm all for knocking assholes out. They could have knocked him the gently caress out, D Bo style. I'm not pro-PRC. I'm not pro-HK gov't or pro-police. I'm not some decorum-loving centrist. Lighting people on fire does not help the protestors' cause. Smeef fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 10:16
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You're seriously going to tsk and say "well, I would have one-punched him"? Guy attacks the same people in the MTR in a different video, then he chases them down and screams at them that they aren't Chinese. Hours after his chosen side shot two people, and that's hardly even the worst of it. Gang rape, broken bones, lost eyes, probably tons of murders, disappeared people. It's telling that everyone thinks that this is some kind of PR coup for the bad guys.
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Nov 12, 2019 10:33
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It's one thing to denounce setting people on fire as a solution to anything, but just because the video doesn't show the context of what happened beforehand doesn't mean the old guy is completely innocent in this matter (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 12, 2019 10:34
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Kafka Esq. posted:You're seriously going to tsk and say "well, I would have one-punched him"? Guy could vwey well be dead tomorrow. I am just leaving your quote here justifying killing someone, in the worst way possible. And you are too dense to know what's the issue. Are HK radical all this dense? I defended the police who shot the 2 guys who tried to take his gun too. Would you burn me if I argue with you face to face?
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Nov 12, 2019 11:17
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whatever7 posted:Guy could vwey well be dead tomorrow. I am just leaving your quote here justifying killing someone, in the worst way possible. And you are too dense to know what's the issue. Are HK radical all this dense? You were literally wishing violence on the people of Hong Kong what, a couple months ago? Like, everyone called you out on it, you kept at it. Of all the people to say that, you're the last one who it would make any sense coming from. I don't even think it's ok to torch the guy. But when it's the side you don't like to suddenly change everything you believe is such bullshit. You know you're completely full of poo poo, right tino?
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There are some images of the man walking around with burns afterwards, the news says he is still in ICU with 44% burns, with CGTN explicitly stating he is in a coma. Haven't found a second source to corroborate that info though.  warning for burn victim:https://twitter.com/Standwi87591738/status/1193920696998486016?s=19 BrainDance posted:You know you're completely full of poo poo, right tino? Lol, like you don't think it's telling that these guys love to harp on about a poor innocent old man and completely ignore rape allegations, dead kids, pregnant woman being pepper sprayed and multiple cases of eyes bring destroyed by the Hong Kong Police Force Kill All Cops fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 11:36
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Kafka Esq. posted:You're seriously going to tsk and say "well, I would have one-punched him"? Please show me where I said that I would have punched anyone. It really seems like you're unable to criticize your own side, which is not a good habit. You do realize it's possible to be pro-HK democracy, anti-police brutality, etc., etc., and not pro-burning people alive?
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Nov 12, 2019 12:09
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Kill All Cops posted:It's one thing to denounce setting people on fire as a solution to anything, but just because the video doesn't show the context of what happened beforehand doesn't mean the old guy is completely innocent in this matter The guy who got set on fire was no angel.
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Nov 12, 2019 12:26
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Prince Myshkin posted:The guy who got set on fire was no angel. Smeef posted:Have you seen the video? No one is being chased or attacked. They're standing face to face. There are a handful of people around the guy. The guy is not the Terminator. He's a scrawny rear end old man. It looks tense, sure, but there's no violent struggle. Then someone steps up and douses him in fuel. Then sparks it. The guy who got set on fire was doing nothing wrong, because the video I watched was the whole encounter and nothing could've have possibly happened before that
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Nov 12, 2019 12:34
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Kill All Cops posted:The guy who got set on fire was doing nothing wrong, because the video I watched was the whole encounter and nothing could've have possibly happened before that No, you're right. He really must have done something to justify getting burned alive.
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Nov 12, 2019 12:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpzJ-AUVnl0 This video is deceptively edited. We need to know the full story
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Nov 12, 2019 13:01
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Thanks for reminding me that he was burned alive. My opinions on the protest have now shifted 180 degrees and now I must condemn protesters and talk about what a tragedy this is for the poor innocent old man because to be seen otherwise must mean I support and justify arson on human beings. Please support the Hong Kong Police and their brave actions on peacefully pacifying kids and pregnant women.
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Nov 12, 2019 13:01
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BrainDance posted:You were literally wishing violence on the people of Hong Kong what, a couple months ago? Like, everyone called you out on it, you kept at it. I said to a HK goon "I won't feel sorry for you when poo poo hits the fans." not "I hope you get stabbed or torched to death like Joan of Arc". (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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whatever7 posted:I said to a HK goon "I won't feel sorry for you when poo poo hits the fans." not "I hope you get stabbed or torched to death like Joan of Arc". You're giving aid and comfort to the brown shirts.
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whatever7 posted:I said to a HK goon "I won't feel sorry for you when poo poo hits the fans." not "I hope you get stabbed or torched to death like Joan of Arc". What exactly do you think would happen if the poo poo hit the fan? Is being run over by a tank a better fate than being stabbed? You were also being quite ghoulish. Kill All Cops posted:Thanks for reminding me that he was burned alive. My opinions on the protest have now shifted 180 degrees and now I must condemn protesters and talk about what a tragedy this is for the poor innocent old man because to be seen otherwise must mean I support and justify arson on human beings. Please support the Hong Kong Police and their brave actions on peacefully pacifying kids and pregnant women. Nobody's opinions have shifted at all. There's no reason to be afraid that if you condemn a wanton act of sadistic cruelty, even if it was perpetrated by the people on "your side", that people will stop supporting the protests. Not burning people alive is a pretty low bar to clear. Saying that doing something like that is bad doesn't make you a cop or a boot licker. Condemning barbaric behavior helps the protests and supporting it harms them.
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Kill All Cops posted:Thanks for reminding me that he was burned alive. My opinions on the protest have now shifted 180 degrees and now I must condemn protesters and talk about what a tragedy this is for the poor innocent old man because to be seen otherwise must mean I support and justify arson on human beings. Please support the Hong Kong Police and their brave actions on peacefully pacifying kids and pregnant women. No one said it should change your allegiances. No one said you should condemn protestors or lament the guy who got burned. No one said any of this bullshit you are making up. It is perfectly reasonable to say “holy poo poo that’s crazy. They should not have lit that dude on fire” and still be pro-HK democracy and anti-police brutality. If you think there should be more attention to other attacks, there are way more effective ways of making that argument than trying to play down the fire attack (or whatever it was you were trying to do).
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Nov 12, 2019 13:42
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Much like the venezuelan opposition, HK rioters enjoy setting people on fire. And like the venezuelan opposition, they will come up with any number of fake crimes to smear the victim of an attempting murder.
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Nov 12, 2019 13:46
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Heithinn Grasida posted:What exactly do you think would happen if the poo poo hit the fan? Is being run over by a tank a better fate than being stabbed? You were also being quite ghoulish. No I root for the collapse of the real estate market. I stand firm on this subject and I will not back pedal. The so called "sending in the tank" scenario only the ignorant HKers expect it and frankly wishing for it, the whole world outside of HK know its not going to happen. You know why I get so much hate on these threads? because I said (back in May, June) HKers didn't understand how geopolitics work and they took offense of it.
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Nov 12, 2019 13:55
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Smeef posted:No one said it should change your allegiances. I was replying to the poster who was said that, in the video, no one was being chased or attacked, that there was no violent struggle, and all of a sudden the scrawny rear end old man was randomly doused alive. I was making a point that setting people on fire is a bad thing, and what happened to him was not justified. I was also saying that it wasn't random, and just because he doesn't look physically threatening or that there was no immediate video of him attacking people, that there were reports of him being physically violent that led to that situation. The result for trying to correct that poster in regards to what happened: I'm a supporter of arson on human beings.
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Kill All Cops posted:I was replying to the poster who was said that, in the video, no one was being chased or attacked, that there was no violent struggle, and all of a sudden the scrawny rear end old man was randomly doused alive. Looks it’s been made quite clear in this thread that Hk rioters understanding of freedom and democracy is that if you don’t agree with them they have the right to loot, destroy, and burn you and your property because that’s democracy. If the authorities respond in anyway to curtail this they scream bloody murder and atrocity to try to garner sympathy.
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Reminds me of when Ukrainian nazis burned people alive by trapping them in a building and setting fire to it during Euromaidan and goons were defending it because "freedom and democracy". Or when the Venezuelan opposition lynched a black man by setting him on fire alive and it was OK because "racism doesn't exist in Venezuela".
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Looks it’s been made quite clear in this thread that Hk rioters understanding of freedom and democracy is that if you don’t agree with them they have the right to loot, destroy, and burn you and your property because that’s democracy. If the authorities respond in anyway to curtail this they scream bloody murder and atrocity to try to garner sympathy. Oh no! Not the property!
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Granted, I don't know if the methodology is an issue of its own (plenty of revolutions are violent/Fanon), but that it is still unclear what the motives of the movement are beyond "democracy" rather than what would be brought by democracy. Usually, there are broader social and economic demands to a movement and in this case, beyond localism tinged with a significant amount of xenophobia, the demands outside elections (which are a conduit of power more than an end-goal themselves). The issue is violence always acceptable regardless of the motives of a movement? In the case of the Bolsheviks, they knocked over banks among other acts before the revolution, but they also had clear goals.
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Bloodnose posted:Oh no! Not the property! oh no! Tear gas!
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Bloodnose posted:Oh no! Not the property! no but you see socialism is when the bourgeoisie owns private property and lords it over the proletariat, hence why it's bad and anti-socialist that Hong Kong wants its independence from China
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Venomous posted:no but you see socialism is when the bourgeoisie owns private property and lords it over the proletariat, hence why it's bad and anti-socialist that Hong Kong wants its independence from China
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Is there a good source for news on this that doesn't dwell on semantics, individual incidents or tit for tat stuff? This thread used to be great for big picture stuff. Major media outlets seem to have tuned out.
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Bob le Moche posted:Can people stop with this disingenuous stuff? The HK protesters are nowhere near socialist in any way shape or form no matter how you try to twist things, and absolutely no one, least of all the chinese government, is making any claim that HK currently has a socialist system. I wasn't talking about the protestors, I was talking poo poo about Something Awful Forums Poster GlassEye-Boy's liberal handwringing about ~property damage~ as though it's a good reason to condemn the Hong Kong protestors for fighting against the PRC and not exactly the kind of  bullshit that western capitalists say to condemn leftist protestors
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