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They'll have plenty of time to refine those gymnastics as they wait for their founders edition to show up past launch date while waiting for games to play on it.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:They could figure out a way to monetize it. F2P games are a perfect fit for a platform like this - if the Stadia is in the market for people who want to avoid the high initial cost of a console or PC, they're also going to want something to play on it for free. And right now that's just Destiny 2.
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They $60 upfront cost quickly gets amortized away, though, if the game has longevity. Like, if I buy a stadia and RdR2 and play online, I'm basically a freemium player within a couple months. I imagine that the whale economics of freemium would work equally well for Google taking a cut of the microtransactions, no?
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Nov 11, 2019 23:00
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It's pretty shocking that they don't have a robust subscription service for a set amount of games. Steam is truly an outlier because they got to the digital market first, but everyone else: Xbox Live Gold EA Origin Access PS Plus UPlay+ While Google is over here expecting you to leap before you look with no loving safety net.
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Gobbeldygook posted:A core part of their business plan is that they're selling customers games AND the hardware to run them, people playing F2P games would cost them a lot of money even if Google was getting a cut of player spending. GeForce Now lets you play Fortnite 100% for free right now and has for at least several months, and I have a hunch Google has more money than Nvidia.
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Nov 11, 2019 23:02
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Speaking of, here's the launch list. Launch List: Assassin’s Creed Odyssey Destiny 2: The Collection Gylt Just Dance 2020 Kine Mortal Kombat 11 Red Dead Redemption 2 Rise of the Tomb Raider Samurai Shodown Shadow of the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition Thumper Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition
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Nov 11, 2019 23:05
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Yeah that being posted on the last page is what sparked this discussion.
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univbee posted:GeForce Now lets you play Fortnite 100% for free right now and has for at least several months, and I have a hunch Google has more money than Nvidia.
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Mumbling posted:The mental gymnastics redditors are doing to justify buying the founders edition is astounding. idk maybe if I had badass connections everywhere and was a Destiny 2 diehard who wanted to play on the road?
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Nov 11, 2019 23:23
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Intel&Sebastian posted:idk maybe if I had badass connections everywhere and was a Destiny 2 diehard who wanted to play on the road? I just feel bad for them, because I really doubt the dodgy wifi connections at most hotels and cafes are going to be sufficient for Stadia :/
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Intel&Sebastian posted:idk maybe if I had badass connections everywhere and was a Destiny 2 diehard who wanted to play on the road? Should put you on some kind of list imo.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:idk maybe if I had badass connections everywhere and was a Destiny 2 diehard who wanted to play on the road?
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I bought the 100 dollar version of D2 at launch and I have never been more disappointed by a game. I was downright offended at the first season pass DLC's for D2. I never even really played D1, I just assumed they were going to take the "we eventually made this good" end-state of D1 and make into the starting point for D2 but lol, no. They are dicks and decided the best way to make money was to go through the entire cycle of "empty and bad for a year, ok now it's alright" again. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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It's actually pretty good now. They got rid of character levels (finally, don't know why those were still there) so all content is scaled to everyone now. But yeah, honestly, there's no reason all of Destiny 1's content couldn't be included with Destiny 2, it's practically the same game.
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Mumbling posted:The mental gymnastics redditors are doing to justify buying the founders edition is astounding. Remember that, to a T, redditors are absolute loving morons.
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What I find extra-weird about the 12 launch titles is that 14 more are being added in "2019", which if they're not using some bullshit definition of 2019 means the system's library is going to more than double (not saying much) within a little over a month. Maybe trying to spread out the load? Anyway, here's the breakdown which I also edited into the OP. Available 2019 Attack on Titan 2: Final Battle Borderlands 3 (the game has a timed event ending December 5th, I could see them not launching until that's done at least to avoid issues) Darksiders Genesis Dragonball Xenoverse 2 Farming Simulator 19 Platinum Edition Final Fantasy XV Football Manager 2020 (Enhanced for Stadia) GRID Metro Exodus NBA 2K20 Rage 2 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint (available via uPlay+) Trials Rising (available via uPlay+) Wolfenstein: Youngblood Other planned titles for 2020 Doom (2016) (possibly going to launch alongside Eternal in March? Just a guess) Baldur's Gate 3 Cyberpunk 2077 (game is officially out April 16th) Destroy All Humans! Doom Eternal (delayed to March 2020) Get Packed (Exclusive to Stadia) Kine Orcs Must Die! 3 (Stadia Timed Exclusive) Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid Superhot The Crew 2 The Elder Scrolls Online Tom Clancy's The Division 2 (available via uPlay+) Watch Dogs: Legion (available via uPlay+, has now been delayed to at least July 2020 on all platforms) Windjammers 2 univbee fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Man I wish I could get a Geforce Now beta invite, it sounds way better.
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They'll have to have something included with Stadia Base, something F2P I guess, when it comes out. No one is going to buy a game on the service without some way to demo the latency and general stability of the platform first.
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The bandwidth costs are significantly higher for Google than they are for other console manufacturers since the rendering and processing hardware isn't actually in the box people buy. If they allow F2P stuff on Stadia Base the business model simply won't add up*, even with them taking a cut of all microtransactions. There would have to be ads. Lots of them. * In their eyes - it would possibly be sustainable but as we all know, "sustainable" isn't a word in Google's dictionary
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ErrEff posted:The bandwidth costs are significantly higher for Google than they are for other console manufacturers since the rendering and processing hardware isn't actually in the box people buy. If they allow F2P stuff on Stadia Base the business model simply won't add up*, even with them taking a cut of all microtransactions. There would have to be ads. Lots of them. BOSS FIGHT WILL CONTINUE AFTER THIS AD.
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I think the only customer who bought an unskippable 1:30 advertisement from Google on Youtube was the Italian Government about Expo 2015, could see them doing the same for the Milan Winter Olympics on Stadia.
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("mi LAN" is Italian for "my internet")
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Wow that opening line up of games is pathetic, nobody is buying a console for any of those games. If those games were all free with the system I wouldn't buy it... Ridiculous. I'm amazed that they are launching without any kind of exclusivity on anything.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Game released in 2018 Actually Samurai Shodown isn't out on PC yet. And has no release date. It's entirely possible that one is a Stadia Exclusive. A fighting game.
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At this point they only need a repeat of this ad and it's pretty much OUYA 2. Just have the guy puking because it takes forever to download a game to his console and you're set. 
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Lodin posted:At this point they only need a repeat of this ad and it's pretty much OUYA 2. Just have the guy puking because it takes forever to download a game to his console and you're set. This is what I do while waiting for games to install and patch. Anyway at this point I suspect it's going to be "put up or shut up" for Stadia on the 19th. If it can actually run Red Dead Redemption 2 at something resembling 4K60 and do similarly for other beast games that could buy them a shot in the arm, especially since the "console" side of it is free or close to it if you have a computer. Generally speaking, gamers as a whole are some of the most exploitable spenders, like a tiny step below weebs who live near Akihabara, and audiophiles who spend five figures on a foot of cable; throwing money at games that Google can theoretically abscond with isn't going to dissuade most people any more than current digital purchases do. But if DigitalFoundry and others do side-by-side comparisons with the Xbox One X and it's not massively better (hell, it could even be massively worse with the image compression and input lag) then it's done, especially with the new consoles around the corner. One week! univbee fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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univbee posted:But if DigitalFoundry and others do side-by-side comparisons with the Xbox One X and it's not massively better (hell, it could even be massively worse with the image compression and input lag) then it's done, especially with the new consoles around the corner. I think you are massively underestimating the irrationality of consumers (see also: Musk, Elon).
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gschmidl posted:I think you are massively underestimating the irrationality of consumers (see also: Musk, Elon). That's fair but I don't know if Google has that sort of pull with the gamer crowd. Irrationality works both ways. Looking forward to next week, whatever happens.
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univbee posted:This is what I do while waiting for games to install and patch. Also RDR2 controls like poo poo as is so what harm can some extra input lag do
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univbee posted:But if DigitalFoundry and others do side-by-side comparisons with the Xbox One X and it's not massively better (hell, it could even be massively worse with the image compression and input lag) then it's done, especially with the new consoles around the corner. This is exactly what I'm waiting for. It'll be really interesting to see what they say. I'm sceptical because it's not like Stadia can just throw more computing power at a game whenever they want. The game still runs on an individual container that equates to a high-end, but not that high-end, gaming PC. And given that people are struggling to run RDR2 in 4K at max settings even on insanely powerful PCs, I assume Stadia is going to have to compromise a lot on graphical quality to hit 4K at 60fps.
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Andrast posted:Also RDR2 controls like poo poo as is so what harm can some extra input lag do Have you ever tried playing a game with significant input lag on a TV with even more input lag? It goes from muddy to literally unplayable.
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The risk of launching this thing with games that are either rhythm based or heavily reliant on accurate input is crazy to me. From the day they announced MK11 coming out on Stadia I was dubious. How would something like that even work in a scenario where one person has a great connection to the Stadia server and the other doesn't? If it was anything but Stadia I'd say it's a calculated risk they know they can achieve to prove the platform works but there's no loving way MK11 will work on this thing as consistently as a fighting game has to be. Thumper sounds nightmarish too, I tried playing that thing in my living room through Steamlink and it was impossible. Edit: Also, Lol @ 1/4 of the launch titles being Tomb Raider games. explosivo fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Flayer posted:Wow that opening line up of games is pathetic, nobody is buying a console for any of those games. If those games were all free with the system I wouldn't buy it... Ridiculous. I'm amazed that they are launching without any kind of exclusivity on anything. They have the exclusivity as being laughed off at an "high-profile" launch lineup and proposition that is even worse than the xbox one.
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limaCAT posted:BOSS FIGHT WILL CONTINUE AFTER THIS AD. *Stands up from couch, holds hands high above head* "McDonalds!!!" *Sits back down and resumes video game*
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explosivo posted:The risk of launching this thing with games that are either rhythm based or heavily reliant on accurate input is crazy to me. From the day they announced MK11 coming out on Stadia I was dubious. How would something like that even work in a scenario where one person has a great connection to the Stadia server and the other doesn't? If it was anything but Stadia I'd say it's a calculated risk they know they can achieve to prove the platform works but there's no loving way MK11 will work on this thing as consistently as a fighting game has to be. Thumper sounds nightmarish too, I tried playing that thing in my living room through Steamlink and it was impossible. Don't worry, the pre-cog AI will press the buttons for you.
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Tetrabor posted:Don't worry, the pre-cog AI will press the buttons for you. *starts Mass Effect Andromeda* *AI immediately quits*
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Didn’t someone say that it would be the streams that are 4K, not necessarily the games themselves?
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leftist heap posted:Didn’t someone say that it would be the streams that are 4K, not necessarily the games themselves? I don't know that that's been confirmed, but it's definitely likely, especially since a stream will probably weaken the quality anyway. Also while we're making Xbox One comparisons I remember a tweet, possibly from an official account (or at least one of a games journalist), insisting that the Xbox One would always output 1080p and densely disregarding the point of the argument.
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leftist heap posted:Didn’t someone say that it would be the streams that are 4K, not necessarily the games themselves? I think you're thinking of the FPS. According to Google, all games on Stadia support 4k, but they don't all support 60fps - many are locked at 30fps. In those cases, the stream is still 60fps, but it transmits some frames twice.
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