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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Solice Kirsk posted:

The amount of humor packed into The Sopranos is something that nearly all "prestige" TV forgets about these days. Almost every episode has at least one decent joke/funny moment.
It took decades but Succession is the first I've seen that's as densely packed with humor (succession isnt everyone's cup of tea ofc, and the pilot isnt nearly as engaging as the sopranos pilot).

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Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Its probably because I'm in recovery myself, but the failed intervention with chris getting his poo poo kicked in is one of the funniest things I've ever seen

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

Often times when you get this immersed in a form of entertainment little pieces of it can begin to creep into your daily habits and speech. So what have I taken from the show? Livia's dismissive hand wave

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I've used 'whaddya hear, whaddya say' as a greeting.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

banned from Starbucks posted:

Do they really have ads for escorts on hotel TVs in NY?

Yeah I had no idea if that was an actual thing or not, no idea if that is something they actually do or it was just in there for the story.

Also I'm dumb and didn't quite pick up on the fact the earliest part of Tony's dream is about a powerful mob boss who is sad because he no longer has his wife :doh:

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Its probably because I'm in recovery myself, but the failed intervention with chris getting his poo poo kicked in is one of the funniest things I've ever seen

When I came in to open up one morning, you had your head half in the toilet.
Your hair was in the toilet water.
Disgusting.

Suxpool
Nov 20, 2002
I want something good to die for...to make it beautiful to live

Jerusalem posted:

Season 5, Episode 11 - The Test Dream


...watched approvingly by Artie who suggests he rub her muzzle.

Slightly confused, Tony does as he is told, petting the neck of the beautiful horse he has ridden into the family home. Carmela is annoyed, she doesn't want him bringing a horse into the house, that's a non-negotiable condition if he wants to move back home like he just told her he did. He promises he'll clean up after her but she's heard that before, there are to be no more horses (whores) if he wants to be back with Carmela. "I'll have to think about it" he sulks, then backs the horse out after showing off his gun to prove that he's ready to take care of that task after all.

In the empty corridors of a high school, Tony moves past lockers and stops by a trophy cabinet, seemingly taking strength from the reminders of his past athletic accomplishments. Applying the silencer to his gun, he moves deeper inside to the showers, peeking through to where the gym teacher is smoking a cigar in his office. Tony approaches quietly... until the enormously fat gym teacher calls out that he knows Tony is there, and if he's going to do it, he should do it. Taken aback, Tony gathers his courage and enters the office, nervously greeting Coach Molinaro, his high school gym teacher. Molinaro is unimpressed by his gun, laughs at the notion of showing respect to Tony, and then harangues him for never breaking free of the bums who were dragging him down... especially Artie Bucco, the worst of the lot! That fires Tony up, as he defends Artie for making something of himself, owning his own restaurant. Molinaro doesn't believe it, but even if so that is just the exception that proves the rule. He mocks Tony for blaming his mother in his therapy sessions (though he'd assumed he'd blame his father, just like Carmela assumed way back in season 1) and agrees that while Tony always had a talent for wrapping people around his finger, he also had a tendency to take the easy way out. Molinaro saw potential in him to be a coach, and discounts Tony's protests that he is a leader of men now, and his appeals to wealth because of his big expensive house. Tony claims to have a wife but Molinaro (who is just a character in Tony's dream, remember, and thus just part of Tony's own subconscious) asks him if he REALLY has a wife.

The actor who played Coach Molinaro would be much better known to HBO drama fans as Thomas "Horseface" Pakusa, featured prominently in season 2 of The Wire. He's introduced in S2E1, which aired June 1, 2003. The Test Dream aired almost a year later, May 16, 2004.

Is it possible it goes this deep? No, not really. Or is it?

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Jerusalem posted:

Yeah I had no idea if that was an actual thing or not, no idea if that is something they actually do or it was just in there for the story.

Also I'm dumb and didn't quite pick up on the fact the earliest part of Tony's dream is about a powerful mob boss who is sad because he no longer has his wife :doh:


When I came in to open up one morning, you had your head half in the toilet.
Your hair was in the toilet water.
Disgusting.

WHAT, WAS IT BARKING?????

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Just got caught up with this thread and I have a comment about a write-up from way back about the Season 1 episode College.

Jerusalem posted:

Season 1, Episode 5 - College
Back in New Jersey, a scene from Remains of the Day particularly rife with sexual tension proves too much for Carmela, who begs Father Phil to turn it off, she can't handle it. The two are now sitting firmly in the middle of the couch after occupying opposite sides earlier in the episode, and whether she recognizes what is happening between them or it is subconscious, she can't forgive herself for what she considers a sin. She bursts into tears, telling him she is a terrible person, but she needs to unburden herself. Father Phil wants to help, and she asks how. The two stare with pregnant anticipation at each other, and finally he breaks the silence by offering her relief in the only way he can: by hearing her Confession - the world is God's House after all.

The sexual tension in the scene is probably part of what's getting at Carmella but there's another reason the film might bother her.

I haven't seen the movie version of Remains of the Day but I've read the book it's adapted from. The book is about a dutiful British butler who relates anecdotes from his long career as a servant as he drives across Britain to try to convince a former housekeeper to come back to her old position. Over the course of the novel you discover that the reason the housekeeper retired was that the lord they worked for was a fascist-sympathizer who worked to convince Chamberlain to adopt a policy of appeasement towards Nazi Germany. The butler is initially in denial about the depth of his beloved old master's wrongdoing, but he slowly begins to admit to himself that he worked for someone who wasn't worth the loyalty, and that he himself was complicit in his lord's crimes by doing things like, say firing other servants for the crime of being Jewish and not speaking out when he could have. At the end of the novel, he confesses to a stranger that while his lord was a bad person, he at least made his own mistakes and took them as his own, and was in the end less hateful than someone who just went along with someone else's mistakes out of a sense of duty to his proper position in society. The novel ends with him shoving down this knowledge and resolving to go back to doing his job.

The parallels to Carmella's own situation is kinda apparent.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I was unaware of that (haven't seen the film or read the book) and yeah that's a really interesting parallel. Thanks!

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

WHAT, WAS IT BARKING?????

Tony continually coming back to the dog is amazing, ahaha

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

It's also funny to me the guy leading the intervention played Casey Jones in the TMNT movies.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Elias Koteas is a great actor that criminally hasn't been in much. He's best known for being mistaken for Christopher Meloni, to the point that people keep bothering the latter on Twitter about the time he was on the Sopranos.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

Who elses family had one of those drat singing fishes? Then again my mom is the loving Queen of tacky

About to watch pine barrens brb

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Elias Koteas is a great actor that criminally hasn't been in much. He's best known for being mistaken for Christopher Meloni, to the point that people keep bothering the latter on Twitter about the time he was on the Sopranos.

Check out the Prophecy for all your Elias Koteas needs. It also some prime Walken.

Just found out the actress who played Svetlana is now high end real estate agent in New York and helped a friend of mine’s uncle get his apartment.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

I want my forum name changed to Pop rear end The.

Also, Pine Barrens is basically the same as Homer and Burns trapped in the cabin

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Your Gay Uncle posted:

Check out the Prophecy for all your Elias Koteas needs. It also some prime Walken.

Just found out the actress who played Svetlana is now high end real estate agent in New York and helped a friend of mine’s uncle get his apartment.

I choose to believe she just walked him through the apartment with a cigarette dangling out of her mouth, knocking back a mug of vodka and rolling her eyes when the sellers tried to tack on extra fees to the property tax. :allears:

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Jerusalem posted:

When I came in to open up one morning, you had your head half in the toilet.
Your hair was in the toilet water.
Disgusting.

...But I can verify that he was sick during that time!

I've probably mentioned it a hundred times before but the boys never saw the irony in calling Christopher a 'Son of a bitch' seconds after he called his mother a whore. It's my favourite part of the whole exchange.

Suxpool
Nov 20, 2002
I want something good to die for...to make it beautiful to live

Vichan posted:

...But I can verify that he was sick during that time!

I've probably mentioned it a hundred times before but the boys never saw the irony in calling Christopher a 'Son of a bitch' seconds after he called his mother a whore. It's my favourite part of the whole exchange.

son of a bitch is a lot like motherfucker, just a general insult that shouldn't be read too literally

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





I think you can make an exception when you're kicking someones rear end for insulting his mother, though. It seems pretty relevant then!

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
"I'm lonely, I miss my Violet"

"What violin?!"

That gets me every loving time.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

This led me to wonder who the characters in Sopranos would have voted for until I realized that they probably just don't vote and are extremely politically uninterested throughout the show (besides corrupt city and labor politics, obviously). Meadow is probably the only one who would go to the polls (Clinton)....maybe Hesh (Clinton too for obvious reasons).

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

DarkCrawler posted:

This led me to wonder who the characters in Sopranos would have voted for until I realized that they probably just don't vote and are extremely politically uninterested throughout the show (besides corrupt city and labor politics, obviously). Meadow is probably the only one who would go to the polls (Clinton)....maybe Hesh (Clinton too for obvious reasons).

AJ seems like a proto-chud :v:

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

AJ seems like a proto-chud :v:

Really? Even at the end of the show?

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Carmela voted Bush so we know who she prob end up for.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Jerusalem posted:

He thought he'd settled this at the funeral, but not Johnny is affecting his ability to make money and he's not happy.

Sensing there is nothing he's unaware of here (Richie Aprile)

But when Sophia grunts that Janice is NOT her parent it devastates her, her face falling flat and her voice going cold as she reminds Janice that she is here and is trying very hard.

She betrays her true intentions and outright tells him she knows he polluted all the decent lawyers in New Jersey so they couldn't represent her, complaining he wasn't playing fear.

Georgie is a big, tough guy and will help up....

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

DarkCrawler posted:

This led me to wonder who the characters in Sopranos would have voted for until I realized that they probably just don't vote and are extremely politically uninterested throughout the show (besides corrupt city and labor politics, obviously). Meadow is probably the only one who would go to the polls (Clinton)....maybe Hesh (Clinton too for obvious reasons).

They're all worthless Boomers who would vote Trump 100%. Their is a scene in the last half of the 6th season at the lake house when Tony, Carmela Janice and Bobby are talking about how Bobby's dad was an illegal immigrant who came over the Canadian border. His father, an illegal immigrant criminal who's entire job was to kill people is "one of the good ones" to them. Bobby even says " They ought to build a wall now though!" It's peak Boomer.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

DarkCrawler posted:

This led me to wonder who the characters in Sopranos would have voted for until I realized that they probably just don't vote and are extremely politically uninterested throughout the show (besides corrupt city and labor politics, obviously). Meadow is probably the only one who would go to the polls (Clinton)....maybe Hesh (Clinton too for obvious reasons).

Carmella in season 6 says she voted for Bush when Meadow is complaining about Afghan immigrants being persecuted.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

DarkCrawler posted:

This led me to wonder who the characters in Sopranos would have voted for until I realized that they probably just don't vote and are extremely politically uninterested throughout the show (besides corrupt city and labor politics, obviously). Meadow is probably the only one who would go to the polls (Clinton)....maybe Hesh (Clinton too for obvious reasons).

"Let me say dis. Dick Cheney for President, of the universe" -T

wedgie deliverer
Oct 2, 2010

If they vote they'd all vote for Trump. Even Meadow. "The real racism is against Italians," come on.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

hi liter posted:

If they vote they'd all vote for Trump. Even Meadow. "The real racism is against Italians," come on.

Meadow would 100% be a Hillbot/Warrenstan. Ivory Tower liberal from a rich family who wants to help minorities but doesn't want them living next door.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Matt Zerella posted:

Meadow would 100% be a Hillbot/Warrenstan. Ivory Tower liberal from a rich family who wants to help minorities but doesn't want them living next door.

It's exactly this. Even Meadow evolved on who to blame for Jackie's death. At first she tried to make it seem like it was tied to Matush "an Israeli ecstasy dealer" when she was talking to Kelli Aprile (Jackie Jr.'s sister, for gently caress's sake) and by the time Finn asks "Didn't you have a boyfriend that was shot to death?" she answers "He was murdered by drug dealers...African Americans, if that makes you feel any better"

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Elias Koteas is a great actor that criminally hasn't been in much. He's best known for being mistaken for Christopher Meloni, to the point that people keep bothering the latter on Twitter about the time he was on the Sopranos.

And here is that shocking moment when I finally learned that the guy who staged the intervention was not, in fact, Chris Keller on OZ (as I had thought for fifteen years)

:sigh:

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

MrMojok posted:

And here is that shocking moment when I finally learned that the guy who staged the intervention was not, in fact, Chris Keller on OZ (as I had thought for fifteen years)

:sigh:

A reasonable mistake to make, there's only so many gigs for bald men floating around in the entertainment industry at any one time.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
This episode catches a lot of flak for some reason but it's up there among my favorites.

First time I watched it, it really threw me for a loop and then, on a re-watch, I still had a hard time pinpointing exactly when the dream took over, or even really ended for that matter. Good symbolic observations as well from Jerusalem that I'd never put together before either.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





BiggerBoat posted:

This episode catches a lot of flak for some reason but it's up there among my favorites.

First time I watched it, it really threw me for a loop and then, on a re-watch, I still had a hard time pinpointing exactly when the dream took over, or even really ended for that matter. Good symbolic observations as well from Jerusalem that I'd never put together before either.

Melfi being at the hotel just adds to the bizarre feeling

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
It’s one of my favorite episodes. I’ve been doing a rewatch both to keep up with this thread and because I’m going to the Sopranos Con in Jersey in two weeks. My spouse walked in as I started “the Test Dream” and immediately sat down to watch the entire thing with me.

wedgie deliverer
Oct 2, 2010

Matt Zerella posted:

Meadow would 100% be a Hillbot/Warrenstan. Ivory Tower liberal from a rich family who wants to help minorities but doesn't want them living next door.

I could see Hillary but not Warren. I doubt anyone who spends as much time complaining about reverse racism in the mid-aughts as she did became less racist. Especially rich people.

The Test Dream is good.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
you're saying meadow would be racist against warren because native american?

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Ugh, we've reached THAT episode. Some Sopranos episodes are more fun than others, and this one(Long Term Parking) is definitely in the not fun category.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Really? Even at the end of the show?

AJ ends up a producer who gets MeToo'd

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Basebf555 posted:

Ugh, we've reached THAT episode. Some Sopranos episodes are more fun than others, and this one(Long Term Parking) is definitely in the not fun category.

I have to say though, he's been really solid and played his character really well through the preceding 5 seasons, but the scene where Christopher learns the extent of what has been going on behind his back in this episode is probably Michael Imperioli's best acting of the entire show's run. He's understandably overshadowed a lot by James Gandolfini and Edie Falco who are unbelievably great actors, but he loving knocks it out of the park here.

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