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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It would remove the privation that allows markets to bend people to the wills of the powerful. Most people wouldn’t do jobs they don’t like if they didn’t have to. No, no, I get that it won't happen I was just saying it sounded a whole lot like "in socialist utopia no one will have any need for prostitutes!" rather than "no one will need to be prostitutes". The implication being socialism will somehow fix the problem of people getting laid.
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GlyphGryph posted:The implication being socialism will somehow fix the problem of people getting laid. Sexbot production will increase a hundredfold in the first five years of socialism you fool. It's like you haven't read Marx at all.
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It's hard to really point to any good discourse around prostitution, but a hell of a lot of uniquely bad takes on it from pretty much everyone point on the political spectrum. Liberal feminism seems particularly bad mostly because it really shouldn't be, but the fact that it's a result of material conditions is too much for them to actually confront. I kinda figured it's best to treat it like the War On Drugs; civilisations have been trying to stamp it out for literal millennia and it's always failed because there's always demand and supply; it's called 'the oldest profession' for a reason, horrible jokes aside. While abolition is an ideal end goal, it's completely impractical and impossible with society in its current form, so the best approach is damage mitigation while attacking the causes. And a socialist society would have a vested interest in making sure people actually learn social skills and have easy access to venues of socialisation.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And a socialist society would have a vested interest in making sure people actually learn social skills and have easy access to venues of socialisation. There's still gonna be people who are unfuckable, regardless of how social they are Really, sexbots/vr seems to be the only way out of this mess
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Dreddout posted:There's still gonna be people who are unfuckable, regardless of how social they are If they led more meaningful lives and had any degree of true freedom, they probably wouldn’t mind as much. Their lives would at least be better overall.
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prostitution is inherently an imbalanced power relationship even in perfect circumstances under a capitalist framework due to the fact that in our society, income is directly tied to standard of living. if you're working class, its tied to living, full stop. so there's no situation in which a sex worker is not, at a minimum, coerced by the inherent power of the client just deciding not to pay them, or passing over them, etc. and it only gets worse from here. under socialism there could be many scenarios for this, but let's assume its decriminalized. any system worth calling socialist would provide you what you need to live in the worst case scenario, and in more realistic ones it would be enough to be somewhat comfortable. (assuming you use an actual poor person's standards). so the worst situation I can think of is prostitution doesnt count as communal labor or whatever, so you have to have another job on top of it. but theres always going to be people who want sex and for whatever reason dont get enough for their needs, and as people always point out replacing money with ration tickets just means ration tickets are now effectively money. so this provider-client relationship is still there, but because the provider isnt going to be kicked out of their house or go hungry or whatever potentially, it's not inherently exploitive anymore. but bad people still exist under socialism so maybe we should have state pimps. i dont know.
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call my takes bad if you will but tbh im never forgetting that series of tweets holy poo poo. those were worse than pretty much any take I've seen that wasnt from legitimate crazy people
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Nov 11, 2019 18:45
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Dreddout posted:Really, sexbots/vr seems to be the only way out of this mess no
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Nov 11, 2019 18:48
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the answer is staring all of you right in the face, abolish sex
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abolish horntDreddout posted:There's still gonna be people who are unfuckable, regardless of how social they are this is really just your opinion and anyone who is capable and willing to have sex would be able to find someone else capable and willing to grind bits with them. saying there are people who are somehow empirically "unfuckable" is a weird subjective rationalization for your disgust with physical or mental characteristics.
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Syndlig posted:this is really just your opinion and anyone who is capable and willing to have sex would be able to find someone else capable and willing to grind bits with them. saying there are people who are somehow empirically "unfuckable" is a weird subjective rationalization for your disgust with physical or mental characteristics. you're right, it's their fault.
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therapists also won't be necessary in a socialist utopia, if you think about it fake edit: socialist utopias will have sex therapists. problem solved.
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I hate this. What is wrong with all of you
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an actual dog posted:I hate this. What is wrong with all of you
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an actual dog posted:I'm gay
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's hard to really point to any good discourse around prostitution, but a hell of a lot of uniquely bad takes on it from pretty much everyone point on the political spectrum. Liberal feminism seems particularly bad mostly because it really shouldn't be, but the fact that it's a result of material conditions is too much for them to actually confront. a couple years ago I saw some documentary about sex workers in like Vancouver and there was this thing about this one customer who had something like cerebral palsy or some kind of physical disability like that and honestly it completely changed my take on sex work. Like, talking about this customer, his life was really goddamn hard and the anxiety that resulted from the interaction of his disability and his perfectly normal sex drive was basically therapeutically treated by a sex worker who seemed perfectly happy to essentially be providing therapy and yeah...sex work is work and people can take pride in their labor and the end of capitalism would contribute to the end of horrific exploitation that too often occurs in the industry, but that doesn't mean that the industry itself must be Ended
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Karl Barks posted:the answer is staring all of you right in the face, abolish sex This would not change my life in any way so I'm fine with it.
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TrilliontonNixon posted:This would not change my life in any way so I'm fine with it. thank you for leading the vanguard
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Syndlig posted:abolish hornt You got a point on physically characteristics, if we assume but mental? dude, there are adults who legally can't consent to sex even if they wanted to
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Nothing to lose but your chains If you were into that kind if thing
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Also you're not accounting for people who are physically incapable of having sex for a variety of reasons
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loneliness and sexlessness is probably tied to this thing called alienation that my buddy carl marks talked about a lil bit, perhaps it would not be as prevalent, under a socialist society, just a thought
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Ace of Baes posted:loneliness and sexlessness is probably tied to this thing called alienation that my buddy carl marks talked about a lil bit, perhaps it would not be as prevalent, under a socialist society, just a thought [thinking harder than ive ever thought before] actually some people are just worth less than others, and that's why they arent fuckable,
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Larry Parrish posted:[thinking harder than ive ever thought before] actually some people are just worth less than others, and that's why they arent fuckable, That's literally what incels believe. The r/relationships thread pretty thoroughly disproves the idea that people can be unfuckable because there's a lot of people out there with really really terrible taste
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's literally what incels believe. a few months back in that thread there was a post from a girl who thought her boyfriend might be gay. she thought this because he was the only boyfriend she had ever had who did not leave skidmarks in his underwear. she also noted as weird that he “washed between the cheeks” when showering, because he was the first man she had ever been with who did that. (see also: the unfortunately-documented phenomenon of men who refuse to wash their rear end, claiming that to do so is gay, with related posts going back into the old r/ gbs thread archives.) if those guys can find someone to sleep with, I don’t know who can’t
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https://twitter.com/omelettered/status/1194300396585594880?s=21 the tankies are right again
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Troy Queef posted:https://twitter.com/omelettered/status/1194300396585594880?s=21 Oddly, I can't find a english translation of his full speech, i'm guessing DSA's twitter person was just going off the bits and pieces that are widely reported 
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Yeah tbh that just seems like hair splitting. DSA fully supports Morales and is against the coup. Not specifically having the words "anti-imperialist" in one tweet means less than nothing.
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I mean really, read this and try to find the secret pro-imperialism. https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-statement-on-coup-in-bolivia/
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yeah i don't think they would have left out anti-imperialist if they'd known it was part of the quote. the only issue i have is that people have corrected them but they haven't corrected themselves with a new tweet with the proper quote, imo.
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everyone talking about how in the socialist utopia sex work will be obsolete should put that energy towards fighting SESTA/FOSTA instead
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:everyone talking about how in the socialist utopia sex work will be obsolete should put that energy towards fighting SESTA/FOSTA instead so making posts?
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Ace of Baes posted:so making posts? actually not making posts is what i was shooting for but if you send me proof of a donation to SWOP i'll match you up to $25 how's that sound
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:actually not making posts is what i was shooting for but if you send me proof of a donation to SWOP i'll match you up to $25 how's that sound I don't know what that is and I'm poor, I tell you what though I will keep using my free time and labor to organize for socialism though and then charities will be unnecessary
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the guilty white DSA members are the ones who need to be donating. not that it accomplishes much, generally speaking
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Ace of Baes posted:I don't know what that is and I'm poor, I tell you what though I will keep using my free time and labor to organize for socialism though and then charities will be unnecessary i mean you could actually, you know, go look it up before you decide to post something lovely and dismissive about a sex worker-led activist organization but go off queen
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nice misgendering (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:everyone talking about how in the socialist utopia sex work will be obsolete should put that energy towards fighting SESTA/FOSTA instead why not both , frien!
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