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Surprise T Rex
Apr 9, 2008

Dinosaur Gum

Deketh posted:

This was super interesting, thanks. I'm 33 and desperate to change careers at the mo, but paralysed by fear and indecision. Gonna seriously consider this route

It's definitely worthwhile. It's not always the most exciting job ever because sometimes the thing the company REALLY needs right now is yet another webpage that displays boring grids of information but it's usually at least interesting. The pay is great, and at least at most of the places I've worked, the offices are very relaxed.

Even if you're not that interested in computers or coding though, it's at least a well-paid valuable marketable skill you can pick up exactly like any other job you don't like doing.

There is also A Thread and an entire subforum for IT/coding stuff (because of course there is, SA has everything). I don't post in the newbie thread much much but it has some helpful advice, though I find a lot of the discussion to be extremely US-centric.

e: snype

Surprise T Rex fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Nov 13, 2019

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Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

jabby posted:

Depends how accurate a dose you need. You're absolutely right that splitting them by hand is likely to be a rough guess at best, using a pill cutter is better but still won't be 100% accurate. Having said that, 95% of drugs don't require totally accurate dosing to have the required effect and we use pill cutters all the time in hospital. The question to ask is, will it make a clinical difference if my dosing of this drug varies by 10% or so?

Thanks for this, man. I've decided to finish tapering off my lamotrigine (I think it may contributing/causing my constant headaches, complete inability to maintain sleep for more than an hour or so, and mostly concerningly more recently these random fits of extreme rage, sometimes they're actually a bit frightening). It's been a failed treatment - helped nothing, and maybe made some stuff worse. I've had no trouble going from 400 mg to 200 mg, and I want to drop from there to 100mg and eventually 50 mg - which I'll get hold of when I'm next able to see my GP.

This should probably be in The Goon Doctor but responses from actual professionals there are understandably rare. It's much appreciated

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

goddamnedtwisto posted:

What I'm hearing is that the literature doesn't show that ants *didn't* build the pyramids, so now I want an entire History Channel series.

Why do you think the pyramids are made of sedimentary stone? Ants obviously can't carry the full-size blocks, so they carried sand up there and pressed it together into stone to fool everyone.

The Old Testament has a garbled retelling of this: The Pharaoh was actually the queen of an ant colony that stretched from the Mediterranean to the first cataract of the Nile, and Moses was actually leading his group of slave ants out of captivity and into the Levant. If you think about it, the parting of the Red Sea is much more plausible at that kind of scale. It was likely just a big puddle.

Later, the Romans had a lot of trouble besieging Jerusalem due to the ants' advanced construction techniques. This influence was part of why the Romans became so good at engineering and siege warfare :hist101:

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/BBCChrisD/status/1194536184820748288?s=19

Lib Dems are going to absolutely gently caress it.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

They have been since day 1. It's gong to be a long month for Jo.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Ms Adequate posted:

Suspect you're right, at least to some extent. Lib Dems have always had a reputation quite a bit left of the actual party leadership, and I'm not sure how many people took the coalition's lesson to be "LDs are right wing", especially now that it's a few years ago and they've managed to make Remain such a central issue.

The Lib Dems are presently in the same rough political location as Thatcher in 1979, except a notch or two less authoritarian.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Jedit posted:

The Lib Dems are presently in the same rough political location as Thatcher in 1979, except a notch or two less authoritarian.

The party, yes, but the voters? Most people I know who vote lib dem still seem to think of them a the pre-collation "lets scrap tuition fees" style lib dems with cancel brexit sprinkled on top, they seem to be disconnected to the current yellow Tories.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jedit posted:

The Lib Dems are presently in the same rough political location as Thatcher in 1979
This is good for Jo;

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Most ironic name since James Cleverly?

https://twitter.com/miqdaad/status/1194526916977532929?s=19

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Grey Hunter posted:

The party, yes, but the voters? Most people I know who vote lib dem still seem to think of them a the pre-collation "lets scrap tuition fees" style lib dems with cancel brexit sprinkled on top, they seem to be disconnected to the current yellow Tories.

That’s what’ll happen when the only policy announcement you’ve made other than sssssttttooooppppp bbbbbbrrrrrreeeeexxxxxiiiitttt is SKILLS WALLETS

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



A lot of guff being spoken about the Lib Dems in this thread.

To my shame I probably know more about how they function than anyone here so in the interests of understanding our enemies and knowing our “Skills Wallet” from our “Fruit Face” I have written this handy guide in the form of a true or false quiz:

1. Lib Dem local parties are all lefties really.

False – Lib Dem local parties are usually a mix of inoffensive people that care deeply about one issue or another the Lib Dems have attached themselves to over the years. Trident, Iraq, the environment, the gay rights movement, saving a local post office, get offensive Government out etc. There might be the occasional old timey genuine big L Liberal but ideologically they are usually very loose knit, locally rather than nationally focused, defined by what they are against, and small c conservative in that they’re comfortable financially and don’t really like change. The latest stripe of these is the Remainer. Occasionally in an affluent area they can sort of be a Labour light, socially acceptable leftish party but it’s mainly a façade or a story members tell themselves.

2. The Lib Dems are nationally run.

False – They were locally driven long before Labour’s recent local renaissance. The standard model is to target one Council ward regarding a local issue then build from there, capturing further wards until you have a shot at the seat. This, rather than any left wing credentials, is why they are stronger at council level. The vast majority of the time any candidate with a hope of winning was a local councilor for years. This is also another reason they are so disparate, saving posts offices and filling in pot holes are far easier asks than overhauling the tax system for your average Tory or Labour voter in an affluent area.

3. Lib Dem voters are either evil or actually want a pact with Labour/Corbyn

False – Or at least not in the main. Most are deeply suspicious of Corbyn (as are many Labour voters) but it’s not because they hate the poor, they’re just caught in a middle class bubble with no experience of poverty. Labour are currently seen as extreme because they are forcing affluent voters to confront the genuine issues in society rather than just tut about them while occasionally donating clothes to Oxfam. Lib Dems have busy lives dominated by school runs, work and aspiration. They don’t see why they need to go through any upheaval to solve problems that seem far away - charities, Government etc are on it already aren’t they? Conversely revoking is not seen as extreme as it is a return to the status quo.

4. Lib Dems are strategically inept.

False – They are hardly Sun Tzu either, but what many in this thread don’t realise is that the messages they are laughing at aren’t meant for them. All of the Lib Dems marginals have them up against the Tories, that means they need to capture Labour remainers suspicious of Corbyn and Tory remainers wary of a Labour Government. Attacking Labour and Corbyn makes perfect tactical sense as long as you remember that the election is many local battles not a national one. In a similar way pretending they can win nationally is designed to gee up activists in the marginals where there are Lib Dems everywhere, to them it looks plausible. Re. standing down candidates they won’t unless Labour do, they are trying to force concessions which doesn’t make sense in terms of Brexit unless you remember…

5. There is nothing true about the Lib Dems.

True – Wait what? Sadly for them they don’t seem to have used their wilderness years to consider what they actually stand for. Charlie Kennedy (who I joined under) seems a very long time ago. Brexit is purely a vehicle for a tactical machine playing a long game with no clear objectives I can fathom. Currently the only objective is to get as many MPs as possible, enacting policy is secondary. Voting for them is voting for a shell and Skills Wallet and :lies: It all leaves them vulnerable, like in Cantebury right now where they are finding out that tactics and convictions don't necessarily mix and floating issues based voters will keep floating.

6. Bonus question – wtf is Fruit Face?

A much overused crappy campaign idea form the Scottish Lib Dems about 10 years ago no-one will remember. It was the Skills Wallet of 2007.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Nov 13, 2019

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Great job for putting this together, but I think it falls into the trap that most every career advice does: giving the advice that did well by you personally. Lord knows I've done the same thing for years, and only recently got called out on it. The first problem with it is that it's by necessity very narrow, only describing one path out of many, and the second problem is that the target audience is only interested in the very start of the path. The rest they don't have the context needed to internalise. The most common example of both problems is when software people leap to recommend a language to beginners - it's both specific to whatever language they learnt, and the recommendations can only be taken on trust by people who don't really understand what a programming language is.

I've come to think the better way to give career change advice is to give people a buffet of ways into the field that they can investigate on their own, and to stay light on the details. I think it's also better to hand off to a more authoritative source ASAP, though that's tricky because most career sources fall into the same damned trap of here's-how-I-succeeded. With that in mind, ways to get a job in software:
  • Bootcamp: is the most popular and reliable way to swap into a software career. Places like Makers take a few months and don't have any tuition fees (they make their cash on recruitment fees on the back end). I've heard generally good things about them, as much as CS grads have some snobbery about the whole thingthey're CS grads, they're snobby about everyone. There's a you-need-a-lot-of-slaves-to-build-the-pyramids vibe to bootcamps as a whole, but for £30k not many people are gonna complain.
  • Teach yourself: cheaper than the other options, but requires more drive and free time. There's nothing in a bootcamp or CS degree you can't get from the internet. Build some projects over the course of a few months, put them on Github, apply for jobs. You will need to apply for a lot of jobs, but that's good advice no matter what you're doing. Gives you a lot more flexibility in what particular bit of software you land in. Good choice if you're a middle-class wanker who can go back to their parent's basement rent-free for a while. I have no idea what a good guide to self-teaching software looks like, it's huuuugely idiosyncratic.
  • Apprenticeship: know nothing about this other than they exist, would've forgotten about them completely if you hadn't mentioned your BTEC, Surprise.
  • Degree: the traditional route. Like most degrees, most of the content is irrelevant to making a chunk of cash, and again you can access it all online. However if you've not gone to uni yet and you still don't have a mortgage or car payments or kids, a couple of years out of the workforce to sit back and learn about yourself and build your skills full-time is absolutely worth the debtespecially because debt pegged to income is not the same as any other kind of debt stress you'll ever have. University is wasted on the young. Go take a look at UCAS I guess.

I've probably forgotten a bunch. Quote me and fix it. If someone's seen a good here-are-all-the-paths-into-software article, I'd appreciate a link so I can just hand that out in future.

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Nov 13, 2019

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Just for reference this was not the point I was making. The mainstream porn industry in Cali is garbage, certainly. But by cracking down on 'the porn industry' without being specific, you risk damaging the more honest and expressive good porn (and I include consensual BDSM and kink in that).

My point was that there are many different 'porn industries' and not all of them are good, not all of them are bad. If you read that list and thought that all of it was bad... Oof.

What I do object to are the Max Powers of the porn industry, the ones taking actresses, spitting on them, slapping them, belittling them offscreen into going to see plastic surgeons.

Misogyny is rife in the cali scene, both on and off camera. Now that's fine if that's your kink and it's labelled as such and everyone consents, but when that is the so called mainstream and it gives more naive viewers the impression that it's normal, something needs to change.

This is a little bit misogynistic though, assuming that women don't have sex drives or exhibitionist tendencies, or that they had to have been forced into it to be doing it. Aella (link is sfw image wise but obviously the text is about sex work) is one ex performer who is fairly passionate about this slightly misogynistic removal of agency.

When I see someone making money from sex work, the only reason I would feel sorry for them is how much poo poo they must put up with from stalkers. For example did you know that in both the US and UK, performers have to make their real names and addresses publicly accessible? There are ways around it, but the intent of the law is to absolutely make their real identity open to everyone.

Then again, female youtubers and cosplayers get similar poo poo for much lower pay, so maybe men are just dirt.

But really, the issue there is the danger inherent to an unregulated and unprotected industry. In the same way we fight for the rights of a mcdonalds worker who is doing it for the money, we should also fight for the rights of sex workers.

So with that in mind, why not regulate the industry to make it safe for them, rather than banning it so that they have one less way to survive?

i reject your arguments but with respect because i like you and everyone here and cos i sense i am in the uneasy minority i don't want beef. if i can find the ML feminists blog i used to check out i will drop the link here instead.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
This must've been posted before but I thought it was pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rI1L459KbQ

Surprise T Rex
Apr 9, 2008

Dinosaur Gum

coffeetable posted:

Great job for putting this together, but I think it falls into the trap that most every career advice does: giving the advice that did well by you personally.

Yeah, I felt this a lot when I was writing it but couldn't really put my finger on what was wrong. I mostly avoided talking about things like bootcamps and apprenticeships because I have no experience of either and honestly couldn't tell you the good ones from the scams.

Boot camps tend to focus on getting you up to speed in Javascript from nothing to "I can make a website" though, so can be good. Some of them even have guarantees of work placements after they're done.

As for apprenticeships, a friend of mine started as an apprentice and recommends it massively. I'd say to only do a single 'level' of an apprenticeship though if that's still a thing, another friend started as an apprentice and kept getting convinced by the company to do the 'next level up' or whatever, which meant they could basically just keep paying him less. Three years into both our careers he was earning a good £10k less than I was for basically the same work.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

anyway i really respect how all these twitter shut-ins like eliot higgins, james bloodworth, paul canning etc have this uncanny ability to forge lifelong friendships with anonymous people in 3rd world countries whose lust for invasion and regime change perfectly matches their own, the wonders of the internet i guess

Deketh
Feb 26, 2006
That's a nice fucking fish

Surprise T Rex posted:

Yeah, I felt this a lot when I was writing it but couldn't really put my finger on what was wrong. I mostly avoided talking about things like bootcamps and apprenticeships because I have no experience of either and honestly couldn't tell you the good ones from the scams.

Boot camps tend to focus on getting you up to speed in Javascript from nothing to "I can make a website" though, so can be good. Some of them even have guarantees of work placements after they're done.

As for apprenticeships, a friend of mine started as an apprentice and recommends it massively. I'd say to only do a single 'level' of an apprenticeship though if that's still a thing, another friend started as an apprentice and kept getting convinced by the company to do the 'next level up' or whatever, which meant they could basically just keep paying him less. Three years into both our careers he was earning a good £10k less than I was for basically the same work.

Is there much/any freelance work for coders? Do you get many people working remotely? What's the office culture like? Sorry if these are dumb questions, just trying to get a sense of the field compared to my current.

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Zalakwe posted:

A lot of guff being spoken about the Lib Dems in this thread.

To my shame I probably know more about how they function than anyone here so in the interests of understanding our enemies and knowing our “Skills Wallet” from our “Fruit Face” I have written this handy guide in the form of a true or false quiz:

1. Lib Dem local parties are all lefties really.

False – Lib Dem local parties are usually a mix of inoffensive people that care deeply about one issue or another the Lib Dems have attached themselves to over the years. Trident, Iraq, the environment, the gay rights movement, saving a local post office, get offensive Government out etc. There might be the occasional old timey genuine big L Liberal but ideologically they are usually very loose knit, locally rather than nationally focused, defined by what they are against, and small c conservative in that they’re comfortable financially and don’t really like change. The latest stripe of these is the Remainer. Occasionally in an affluent area they can sort of be a Labour light, socially acceptable leftish party but it’s mainly a façade or a story members tell themselves.

2. The Lib Dems are nationally run.

False – They were locally driven long before Labour’s recent local renaissance. The standard model is to target one Council ward regarding a local issue then build from there, capturing further wards until you have a shot at the seat. This, rather than any left wing credentials, is why they are stronger at council level. The vast majority of the time any candidate with a hope of winning was a local councilor for years. This is also another reason they are so disparate, saving posts offices and filling in pot holes are far easier asks than overhauling the tax system for your average Tory or Labour voter in an affluent area.

3. Lib Dem voters are either evil or actually want a pact with Labour/Corbyn

False – Or at least not in the main. Most are deeply suspicious of Corbyn (as are many Labour voters) but it’s not because they hate the poor, they’re just caught in a middle class bubble with no experience of poverty. Labour are currently seen as extreme because they are forcing affluent voters to confront the genuine issues in society rather than just tut about them while occasionally donating clothes to Oxfam. Lib Dems have busy lives dominated by school runs, work and aspiration. They don’t see why they need to go through any upheaval to solve problems that seem far away - charities, Government etc are on it already aren’t they? Conversely revoking is not seen as extreme as it is a return to the status quo.

4. Lib Dems are strategically inept.

False – They are hardly Sun Tzu either, but what many in this thread don’t realise is that the messages they are laughing at aren’t meant for them. All of the Lib Dems marginals have them up against the Tories, that means they need to capture Labour remainers suspicious of Corbyn and Tory remainers wary of a Labour Government. Attacking Labour and Corbyn makes perfect tactical sense as long as you remember that the election is many local battles not a national one. In a similar way pretending they can win nationally is designed to gee up activists in the marginals where there are Lib Dems everywhere, to them it looks plausible. Re. standing down candidates they won’t unless Labour do, they are trying to force concessions which doesn’t make sense in terms of Brexit unless you remember…

5. There is nothing true about the Lib Dems.

True – Wait what? Sadly for them they don’t seem to have used their wilderness years to consider what they actually stand for. Charlie Kennedy (who I joined under) seems a very long time ago. Brexit is purely a vehicle for a tactical machine playing a long game with no clear objectives I can fathom. Currently the only objective is to get as many MPs as possible, enacting policy is secondary. Voting for them is voting for a shell and Skills Wallet and :lies: It all leaves them vulnerable, like in Cantebury right now where they are finding out that tactics and convictions don't necessarily mix and floating issues based voters will keep floating.

6. Bonus question – wtf is Fruit Face?

A much overused crappy campaign idea form the Scottish Lib Dems about 10 years ago no-one will remember. It was the Skills Wallet of 2007.

The DiS forums accused us of being Lib Dem’s the other day, you’re not helping :mad:

Are you still involved with the party at all? I’d be keen to hear your take on Swinson and the direction she’s taken the party in either way.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Bobby Deluxe posted:

This is a little bit misogynistic though, assuming that women don't have sex drives or exhibitionist tendencies, or that they had to have been forced into it to be doing it. Aella (link is sfw image wise but obviously the text is about sex work) is one ex performer who is fairly passionate about this slightly misogynistic removal of agency.

When I see someone making money from sex work, the only reason I would feel sorry for them is how much poo poo they must put up with from stalkers. For example did you know that in both the US and UK, performers have to make their real names and addresses publicly accessible? There are ways around it, but the intent of the law is to absolutely make their real identity open to everyone.

Then again, female youtubers and cosplayers get similar poo poo for much lower pay, so maybe men are just dirt.

But really, the issue there is the danger inherent to an unregulated and unprotected industry. In the same way we fight for the rights of a mcdonalds worker who is doing it for the money, we should also fight for the rights of sex workers.

So with that in mind, why not regulate the industry to make it safe for them, rather than banning it so that they have one less way to survive?

Who gives a gently caress about petit-bourgeois women's agency to enjoy sex on camera when they're providing the plausible deniability that allows the vast majority of adults to live with themselves enjoying the fruits of sexual slavery and survival sex work though?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1194564788271157249?s=20

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Sanitary Naptime posted:

The DiS forums accused us of being Lib Dem’s the other day, you’re not helping :mad:

Are you still involved with the party at all? I’d be keen to hear your take on Swinson and the direction she’s taken the party in either way.

that might have been me, sorry it's just how i feel ;)

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.


One question. Who are any of these people you’re talking about?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Who gives a gently caress about petit-bourgeois women's agency to enjoy sex on camera when they're providing the plausible deniability that allows the vast majority of adults to live with themselves enjoying the fruits of sexual slavery and survival sex work though?
Anyone who cares about women's agency in general? I really doubt even a plurality of these people are petit-bourgeois though, unless you consider them making side money outside of the wage labor system to be petit-bourgeois in and of itself, but either way the solution to survival sex work is a decent social floor, not bringing back the Contagious Diseases Acts or the Magdalene Laundries.

Cerv posted:

One question. Who are any of these people you’re talking about?
Lib Dems.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

nobody is called guy kiddy dude, you don't fool me

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

One question. Who are any of these people you’re talking about?

He's a PPC in High Peak https://twitter.com/GuyKiddey/status/1194555805514838016

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

lol Javid - has this man actually conducted a debate without pulling out at the last second with his tail between his legs? Utter eggheaded oval office.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Who gives a gently caress about petit-bourgeois women's agency to enjoy sex on camera when they're providing the plausible deniability that allows the vast majority of adults to live with themselves enjoying the fruits of sexual slavery and survival sex work though?

Hell of a post you last got probated for

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3839774&pagenumber=342&perpage=40#post497675698

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Deketh posted:

Is there much/any freelance work for coders? Do you get many people working remotely? What's the office culture like? Sorry if these are dumb questions, just trying to get a sense of the field compared to my current.
  • Is there much/any freelance work for coders? Yes, though like most freelance work it's less steady than a salaried job and a good portfolio helps a lot. I'd say it's more common in software than most fields.
  • Do you get many people working remotely? Yes, though like most remote work it's an ask beyond a normal job. I'd say it's more common in software than most fields.
  • What's the office culture like? Depends entirely on the company and the office. Would hazard that it's a little quieter and a little less social/little more awkward than most professions. The work itself requires fewer meetings and interactions with other people than most fields.
For more general 'what's it like as a software dev', Google and Youtube around - there's a million different answers and they're all equally true.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Deketh posted:

Is there much/any freelance work for coders? Do you get many people working remotely? What's the office culture like? Sorry if these are dumb questions, just trying to get a sense of the field compared to my current.

Actually for less anecdotal answers, you can check the Stack Overflow Dev Survey. Skews US unless you dig into the underlying data yourself, but it's a drat sight better than me just telling you my experience



Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

Cerv posted:

One question. Who are any of these people you’re talking about?

If you followed through the tweets you'd know, but; Tim Walker is the (former) Lib-Dem candidate for Canterbury who stood down last night to give Labour a clear shot at the seat because... well you really really should. Guy Kiddey is a Lib-dem candidate for High Peak in Derbyshire and is also considering stepping down because the response by the leadership has been very bad. Essentially the Lib-dems could have soaked the loss of one candidate and made soothing noises about how their candidates can step down to prevent Brext (etc) but instead decided to dive straight into "NO!"

RockyB
Mar 8, 2007


Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good

Pesmerga posted:

Don’t know if you’ve all seen this, but it’s glorious.
https://twitter.com/peoplesmomentum/status/1194221297603088386?s=21

THAT'S WHAT A SOCIALIST WOULD SAY!

RE: Coding chat - Programming as a skill is something that is great to have in your toolbelt. There's no end of fields where it's useful, from biology to data analysis. But in TYOOL 2019 development as a job is still being sold as one of the last high paying white collar jobs, much in the way that becoming a lawyer was 10 years ago. And much like being a lawyer there are still areas where yes if you're good and experienced you can earn a shitload. But the industry as a whole grinds through a massive amount of low level people, it's always uncertain whether your job is going to be automated out from under your feet or sent offshore, and you really have to run in place to keep skill relevant.

There can also be a massive psychological toll that people outside the field don't always realise. You have to have the right mindset to deal with corporate bullshit, requirement ambiguity and ridiculous complexity. Burnout is a massive problem, estimates put it at 40-50% of all IT employees. And there's a reason that IT guys are stereotypically alcoholics - just see the 'my boss says I don't scream enough' thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3571852. Hence the need for a constant stream of new people in the first place, really.

Actually thinking about it being an author might be a decent analogy. You get some 'rockstar' authors who earn millions. Those would be techbros. Some guys who make a decent corporate living doing technical writing. A fair few who scrape by writing amazon erotica and desperately hoping an algorithm change doesn't gently caress them over. And the heaving masses who try to write the next great novel and sink without a trace.

Not trying to discourage anyone necessarily, just don't see the 'learn to code!' stuff as a panacea. I've managed to carve out an extremely comfortable niche for myself and even I'm teetering on the nihilist 'oh god why I am sitting in the loving office again I should go start a farm' precipice.

E: And that's why I :justpost: on company time.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Sanitary Naptime posted:

The DiS forums accused us of being Lib Dem’s the other day, you’re not helping :mad:

Are you still involved with the party at all? I’d be keen to hear your take on Swinson and the direction she’s taken the party in either way.

I left years ago and am now a Labour party member but I do know a lot of people who are still Lib Dems.

Can't say they are all that enthusiastic about Swinson but they probably mainly do genuinely want to stop Brexit. Beyond that they are in the main well meaning people that need to decide what they believe in. I have no idea how you can look at the last ten years and think what we need is more of the same.

I personally was never a fan of Swinson, have history with her as a young staffer and don't feel she has got less arrogant since. The Jess Phillips of better things aren't possible.

Deketh
Feb 26, 2006
That's a nice fucking fish

coffeetable posted:

  • Is there much/any freelance work for coders? Yes, though like most freelance work it's less steady than a salaried job and a good portfolio helps a lot. I'd say it's more common in software than most fields.
  • Do you get many people working remotely? Yes, though like most remote work it's an ask beyond a normal job. I'd say it's more common in software than most fields.
  • What's the office culture like? Depends entirely on the company and the office. Would hazard that it's a little quieter and a little less social/little more awkward than most professions. The work itself requires fewer meetings and interactions with other people than most fields.
For more general 'what's it like as a software dev', Google and Youtube around - there's a million different answers and they're all equally true.

Thanks!

RockyB posted:

THAT'S WHAT A SOCIALIST WOULD SAY!

RE: Coding chat - Programming as a skill is something that is great to have in your toolbelt. There's no end of fields where it's useful, from biology to data analysis. But in TYOOL 2019 development as a job is still being sold as one of the last high paying white collar jobs, much in the way that becoming a lawyer was 10 years ago. And much like being a lawyer there are still areas where yes if you're good and experienced you can earn a shitload. But the industry as a whole grinds through a massive amount of low level people, it's always uncertain whether your job is going to be automated out from under your feet or sent offshore, and you really have to run in place to keep skill relevant.

There can also be a massive psychological toll that people outside the field don't always realise. You have to have the right mindset to deal with corporate bullshit, requirement ambiguity and ridiculous complexity. Burnout is a massive problem, estimates put it at 40-50% of all IT employees. And there's a reason that IT guys are stereotypically alcoholics - just see the 'my boss says I don't scream enough' thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3571852. Hence the need for a constant stream of new people in the first place, really.

Actually thinking about it being an author might be a decent analogy. You get some 'rockstar' authors who earn millions. Those would be techbros. Some guys who make a decent corporate living doing technical writing. A fair few who scrape by writing amazon erotica and desperately hoping an algorithm change doesn't gently caress them over. And the heaving masses who try to write the next great novel and sink without a trace.

Not trying to discourage anyone necessarily, just don't see the 'learn to code!' stuff as a panacea. I've managed to carve out an extremely comfortable niche for myself and even I'm teetering on the nihilist 'oh god why I am sitting in the loving office again I should go start a farm' precipice.

E: And that's why I :justpost: on company time.

Hah, I've been on that precipice for a while now. Interesting take though, sounds potentially more stressful than what I'm currently doing.

Deketh fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Nov 13, 2019

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

RockyB posted:

burnout
grind
alcoholism
this is all careers. software is similar, but makes you far more cashmoney - even in 2019 - than anything else you can accomplish with a couple of months of retraining. the pay scale looks more like a doctor's or an engineer's, but without the decade of qualification.

while there are many terrible things about a software career, i am confident saying it's a drat sight better than the alternatives for a large fraction of the population

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Honestly thought about trying to collect my thoughts on Batman from my now-socialist perspective in an essay or something. Long been a fan, but it's harder now for me to ignore his being a rich man who assaults the mentally ill.

Part of it is the handicap of long form story telling by multiple creators, he can never make a permanent improvement or stop being Batman and take another approach. I suppose I'd like to figure out what superheros should be to socialists in general, as something that often sets individuals over society.

On reflection, before my becoming politicised I was feeling conflicted over Marvel's Civil War where I was asked to chose between a nationalist demanding the right to act autonomously with violence or the millionaire who wanted oversight.

BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Nov 13, 2019

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Guavanaut posted:

Anyone who cares about women's agency in general?

I'm a trans woman with many friends who have performed survival sex work. I care about their agency far more than people doing it for a loving lark.

quote:

I really doubt even a plurality of these people are petit-bourgeois though, unless you consider them making side money outside of the wage labor system to be petit-bourgeois in and of itself, but either way the solution to survival sex work is a decent social floor, not bringing back the Contagious Diseases Acts or the Magdalene Laundries.

Which is literally all I proposed, I disagreed that sex work is a necessary and inevitable industry until work itself is abolished. How the gently caress is that Victorian puritanicalism?

People itt have been singing the praises of Girls Out West and similar. A model we're supposed to believe is healthy because they're women owned production companies started by sex workers.

VVVV

namesake posted:

Tbf they did offer that as a solution but then also weirdly execution for those that pay for their services.

I dunno how people think struggles for liberation are won by using a capitalist states legal codes and force against participants rather than empowering the workers to liberate themselves but I guess that's what's happening.

Who do you think would be executing Johns?

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Nov 13, 2019

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Guavanaut posted:

Anyone who cares about women's agency in general? I really doubt even a plurality of these people are petit-bourgeois though, unless you consider them making side money outside of the wage labor system to be petit-bourgeois in and of itself, but either way the solution to survival sex work is a decent social floor, not bringing back the Contagious Diseases Acts or the Magdalene Laundries.

Tbf they did offer that as a solution but then also weirdly execution for those that pay for their services.

I dunno how people think struggles for liberation are won by using a capitalist states legal codes and force against participants rather than empowering the workers to liberate themselves but I guess that's what's happening.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

And it's the truth, the Kurds are national minorities in Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran, not a nation.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Zalakwe posted:

3. Lib Dem voters are either evil or actually want a pact with Labour/Corbyn

False – Or at least not in the main. Most are deeply suspicious of Corbyn (as are many Labour voters) but it’s not because they hate the poor, they’re just caught in a middle class bubble with no experience of poverty. Labour are currently seen as extreme because they are forcing affluent voters to confront the genuine issues in society rather than just tut about them while occasionally donating clothes to Oxfam. Lib Dems have busy lives dominated by school runs, work and aspiration. They don’t see why they need to go through any upheaval to solve problems that seem far away - charities, Government etc are on it already aren’t they? Conversely revoking is not seen as extreme as it is a return to the status quo.

5. There is nothing true about the Lib Dems.

True – Wait what? Sadly for them they don’t seem to have used their wilderness years to consider what they actually stand for. Charlie Kennedy (who I joined under) seems a very long time ago. Brexit is purely a vehicle for a tactical machine playing a long game with no clear objectives I can fathom. Currently the only objective is to get as many MPs as possible, enacting policy is secondary. Voting for them is voting for a shell and Skills Wallet and :lies: It all leaves them vulnerable, like in Cantebury right now where they are finding out that tactics and convictions don't necessarily mix and floating issues based voters will keep floating.
This is a good and informative post, thank you! It's interesting that as a former Lib Dem you also have no idea what the gently caress they're actually trying to achieve. It's like there's no long-term planning going on, and they haven't got any idea how to achieve what their values are / claim to be (other than Stop Breeeexiiiit)

Couple of things I'm curious about in (3). First, what's the reason that they don't see a backlash from the right after immediate revoke, do they just not consider anything beyond the superficial connections? Second, how does the Lib Dem / climate change intersection work? Surely they're aware that there's going to be a fuckload of upheaval? I'm trying to find their manifesto green policies and, uh, decarbonization by 2045 is a bit limp, all things considered. Just found this from 2017 - love to "Reduce demand using Incentives, taxation, and regulation" for heat in buildings, also I n n o v a t i o n c l u s t e r s

gh0stpinballa posted:

that might have been me, sorry it's just how i feel ;)
t:mad:

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a glitch
Jun 27, 2008

no wait stop

Soiled Meat

Surprise T Rex posted:

:siren: Coding job effort post incoming :siren:

This was really helpful! I did a bit programming at Uni but have been considering going down this route once my brain is working. Thanks!

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