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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
The shows title: "First Wakeup"

Its like the office but with more sadness.

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Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1194113291108388866

FON OPS in the Black Sea causing him to get in a tizzy, christ almighty

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Nick Soapdish posted:

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1194113291108388866

FON OPS in the Black Sea causing him to get in a tizzy, christ almighty

loving pathetic.

Again.

Perhaps for the 3-4rth time this week.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Elendil004 posted:

I don't suppose anyone would know where to find detailed deck plans/plates/schematics for a John C. Butler class Destroyer Escort kicking around for a research project.

The deck plans have been declassified a long time back but most of the plans I've found are side cutaways.



orange juche fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Nov 12, 2019

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.

SquirrelyPSU posted:

It's the sequel to Down Periscope. It revolves around a disgraced SWO and a bunch of rag-tag sailors taking a defunct member of the Tin-Can Navy and pitting the plucky upstart against today's Nuclear and AEGIS fleet for a shot at his own command.

The excercise is cancelled after the ship's fourth ARI and a fraternization "situation".

I'd for sure take that command.

Also, I used to joke that I was going to write a Clancy-esque thriller where a cyber attack takes out the fleet except for a ragtag group of frigates and MCMs whose connectivity was so broken that they were immune.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


orange juche posted:

The deck plans have been declassified a long time back but most of the plans I've found are side cutaways.





Thanks I've been making use of that side one but I am hoping to find a path to one that shows interior pwats and watertight integrity and such.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Elendil004 posted:

Thanks I've been making use of that side one but I am hoping to find a path to one that shows interior pwats and watertight integrity and such.

What project exactly are you working on? building a model or something? You can probably request the deck plans from the National Archives and Records Administration, as they archived the plans in 2005 I think, as that was when a lot of other WWII Pacific War stuff got archived as well.

It might cost you some $ if they have to actually dig up the records though and scan them to send to you.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
The only accurate representations of the Navy in media are comedies and Village People music videos.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



ManMythLegend posted:

I'd for sure take that command.

Also, I used to joke that I was going to write a Clancy-esque thriller where a cyber attack takes out the fleet except for a ragtag group of frigates and MCMs whose connectivity was so broken that they were immune.

Isn't that just Battlestar Galactica but boats though?

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

orange juche posted:

Isn't that just Battlestar Galactica but boats though?

Boattlestar

pkells
Sep 14, 2007

King of Klatch
Do any of you guys know what Air Force civil engineers do at GITMO? I've got a few people from my squadron heading down there next year, and I passed on a 6 month deployment with them. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly they'd be doing on a navy base?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



pkells posted:

Do any of you guys know what Air Force civil engineers do at GITMO? I've got a few people from my squadron heading down there next year, and I passed on a 6 month deployment with them. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly they'd be doing on a navy base?

Jacking off in a corner seems to be a fair bet.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


pkells posted:

Do any of you guys know what Air Force civil engineers do at GITMO? I've got a few people from my squadron heading down there next year, and I passed on a 6 month deployment with them. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly they'd be doing on a navy base?

Drinking?

pkells
Sep 14, 2007

King of Klatch
Well poo poo, maybe I should've taken them up on that deployment then

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Jacking off in a corner while drinking seems like a recipe for depression. However if it is a reserve deployment you could probably do worse than Cuba.

pkells
Sep 14, 2007

King of Klatch

orange juche posted:

Jacking off in a corner while drinking seems like a recipe for depression. However if it is a reserve deployment you could probably do worse than Cuba.

But it would be on the beach. And I'd be getting O2/O3 pay. And continuing my streak of longer deployments/AT's to only tropical locations.

Serjeant Buzfuz
Dec 5, 2009

Elendil004 posted:

Thanks I've been making use of that side one but I am hoping to find a path to one that shows interior pwats and watertight integrity and such.

Not sure what they called them in WW2 but today you would want the Damage Control Plates/Drawings probably. I poked around a bit and couldn't find anything, I think you're going to need to ask for them from a Naval archive/museum.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

ManMythLegend posted:

I'd for sure take that command.

Also, I used to joke that I was going to write a Clancy-esque thriller where a cyber attack takes out the fleet except for a ragtag group of frigates and MCMs whose connectivity was so broken that they were immune.

NMCI didn't have the requisite number of trouble tickets to address the connectivity issue, so USS Virusfree escaped the cyber attack.

pkells posted:

Do any of you guys know what Air Force civil engineers do at GITMO? I've got a few people from my squadron heading down there next year, and I passed on a 6 month deployment with them. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly they'd be doing on a navy base?

Outside of Tyndall AFB, nobody knows what they do at AFBs either. Hell, we've got an obvious gas leak here that they refuse to deal with because it's not severe enough.

Howard Phillips
May 4, 2008

His smile; it shines in the darkest of depths. There is hope yet.

SquirrelyPSU posted:

It's the sequel to Down Periscope. It revolves around a disgraced SWO and a bunch of rag-tag sailors taking a defunct member of the Tin-Can Navy and pitting the plucky upstart against today's Nuclear and AEGIS fleet for a shot at his own command.

The excercise is cancelled after the ship's fourth ARI and a fraternization "situation".

I've been looking at lat transferring to Reserve EDO when I get back in the Reserves. One of the mobs that REDO's do is called SURGEMAIN, basically augment a shipyard or an IMA. The OICs are reserve officers that are in charge of a rag tag group of reservists who may or may not know anything about waterfront maintenance. Can't wait.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Howard Phillips posted:

I've been looking at lat transferring to Reserve EDO when I get back in the Reserves. One of the mobs that REDO's do is called SURGEMAIN, basically augment a shipyard or an IMA. The OICs are reserve officers that are in charge of a rag tag group of reservists who may or may not know anything about waterfront maintenance. Can't wait.

Surgemain has the best ATs. Hawaii or Japan? Yes please. I knew the AT was gonna be chill when the Master chiefs got dropped off at the hotel with their golf clubs and wives.

They usually send us to a quick class on whatever maintenance item we’d be working on so you are at least as useful as a smart boot.

Howard Phillips
May 4, 2008

His smile; it shines in the darkest of depths. There is hope yet.

LingcodKilla posted:

Surgemain has the best ATs. Hawaii or Japan? Yes please. I knew the AT was gonna be chill when the Master chiefs got dropped off at the hotel with their golf clubs and wives.

They usually send us to a quick class on whatever maintenance item we’d be working on so you are at least as useful as a smart boot.

That's awesome. Yeah I would love to go to SRF-Yoko for AT. Didn't know that SURGEMAIN was a good deal. What kind of support work did you guys do? Were you assigned work on your own or merged with uniformed or civilian maintenance people?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Howard Phillips posted:

That's awesome. Yeah I would love to go to SRF-Yoko for AT. Didn't know that SURGEMAIN was a good deal. What kind of support work did you guys do? Were you assigned work on your own or merged with uniformed or civilian maintenance people?

I was sent to San Diego for 4 days to attend a watertight door and scuttle maintenance course. After that I went with a unit of 20 or other random Sailors to Pearl Harbor were we repaired the seals on doors with no help from the bemused crew of the Port Royal. We worked hard for 6 hours a day (I’m actually serious here was hot as poo poo and kinda physical) and cut loose for the rest plus fridays off.

Even though pounding on doors in the Hawaiian sun was kinda brutal it still was better than sitting in an office shuffling paperwork.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
Friend of mine: good message about depression among our guys. Anyone can be having trouble silently.

https://www.facebook.com/100007263371862/posts/2466978183554270

DustyNuts
Jun 1, 2000

Have you seen me?

So today as I was leaving work I had a child with his father greet me and the little boy thanked me for my service(I was in uniform). I knelt down in front of the little boy and said "thank you for your support" and gave him one of the CPO challenge coins. A 20 something old guy walking by decided that was his time to tell the kid " dont thank him for his service he kills children like you" I have to admit it took all of my will to not show him what I am actually capable of. I simply stood up and told him he was lucky I was still active duty to which he replied "or what you would kill me too?" I smiled and walked away shaking out of pure loving rage. I honestly dont understand people today and I hope that kid appreciates the coin he got today and doesnt remember what the guy said.

(Reposted what I assume is STDH)

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


“I’m an IT. The only thing I ever killed is a printer.”

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
Is this guy a recruiter? The 20 something should've spit on him, too.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

DustyNuts posted:

So today as I was leaving work I had a child with his father greet me and the little boy thanked me for my service(I was in uniform). I knelt down in front of the little boy and said "thank you for your support" and gave him one of the CPO challenge coins. A 20 something old guy walking by decided that was his time to tell the kid " dont thank him for his service he kills children like you" I have to admit it took all of my will to not show him what I am actually capable of. I simply stood up and told him he was lucky I was still active duty to which he replied "or what you would kill me too?" I smiled and walked away shaking out of pure loving rage. I honestly dont understand people today and I hope that kid appreciates the coin he got today and doesnt remember what the guy said.

(Reposted what I assume is STDH)

STDH?

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


poo poo that didn't happen

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Howard Phillips posted:

That's awesome. Yeah I would love to go to SRF-Yoko for AT. Didn't know that SURGEMAIN was a good deal. What kind of support work did you guys do? Were you assigned work on your own or merged with uniformed or civilian maintenance people?

I once got sent to NNSY shipyard for SURGEMAIN AT. They didn't have any work for me to do as an EMN1 because no one was expecting me. I got sent to the firewatch group. The firewatch group didn't have a lot going on so I sat at a picnic table for a few hours a day to see if anyone wanted anything then left.

In the grand scheme of things, it was a pretty decent deal albeit extremely boring.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
Fuckin nukes, always complaining.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
Random question on a slow Saturday morning: is there an official DOD or Navy instruction that defines what the various departmental/staff codes like N3, N6, etc mean? Doing some googling, it apparently dates back to the Napoleonic era, which is kind of cool. Every organization seems to adjust the meanings to fit their specific circumstances, so I'm curious if there's an overall instruction that has guidance on what the codes "should" be, or if it's just left up to every command to define things themselves based on "tradition".

Kalessin ofSelidor
Jul 28, 2019

Workin gurl
“Um..... just look at this org chart, that’ll tell you what you need”

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Random question on a slow Saturday morning: is there an official DOD or Navy instruction that defines what the various departmental/staff codes like N3, N6, etc mean? Doing some googling, it apparently dates back to the Napoleonic era, which is kind of cool. Every organization seems to adjust the meanings to fit their specific circumstances, so I'm curious if there's an overall instruction that has guidance on what the codes "should" be, or if it's just left up to every command to define things themselves based on "tradition".

It's in one of the JP pubs, but I don't remember which off the top of my head. But here is the gist:

J: Joint
N: Navy
S: Marines and smaller Army staffs
G: Large Army staffs

0: Commander and special staff (JAG, chaps, PAO, etc)
1: Manpower and Personnel
2: Intelligence
3: Operations
4: Logistics
5: Plans and Policy
6: Communications and Networks
7: Training and Exercises
8: Finances and Acquisition
9: This one varies from staff to staff

Each of those directorates has branches below it that get a second number added (eg N43) but I don't think that the branch codes are standardized across DoD.

Jimmy4400nav
Apr 1, 2011

Ambassador to Moonlandia

DustyNuts posted:


(Reposted what I assume is STDH)

That read like one of those chain email copypastas people relatives like to spam.


ManMythLegend posted:

It's in one of the JP pubs, but I don't remember which off the top of my head. But here is the gist:

Thats cool! I'd been wondering about those codes and numbers too.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
It's definitely good professional knowledge; even if you don't know the exact meaning the organization uses it for, you can generally assume that "N4" has something to do with supply, parts, maintenance or the like. N6 has something to do with comms or computers, etc.

It gets weird in specialized cases though; for example at NAWDC each weapons school is its own N-code. Some of them sort of make sense, like the E-2 weapons school is N6 which kind of lines up with command and control. But then you have things like N8 being the MH-60 weapons school, so I was mainly curious if that can be traced back to a pub via some kind of tortured logic chain, or if they just pulled it out of their rear end.

I got started down this rabbit hole reading about Mass Effect and the N7 designation that's so iconic in the series. Given that the opening title of the first game is basically a direct homage to the opening of Top Gun, I figured it was an easter egg reference to Shepard being part of the training and tactics department (N7 being the code for TOPGUN). But apparently in the game lore it's just a qualification level that starts at N1 and goes up from there. :geno: So having N7 on your armor is basically like a TOPGUN patch.

Hekk
Oct 12, 2012

'smeper fi

ManMythLegend posted:

It's in one of the JP pubs, but I don't remember which off the top of my head. But here is the gist:

J: Joint
N: Navy
S: Marines and smaller Army staffs
G: Large Army staffs

0: Commander and special staff (JAG, chaps, PAO, etc)
1: Manpower and Personnel
2: Intelligence
3: Operations
4: Logistics
5: Plans and Policy
6: Communications and Networks
7: Training and Exercises
8: Finances and Acquisition
9: This one varies from staff to staff

Each of those directorates has branches below it that get a second number added (eg N43) but I don't think that the branch codes are standardized across DoD.

On the USMC side of the house, all of the offices at the Battalion and Regiment levels start with S. However any unit higher than that will be preceded by a G.

So for example, in an infantry battalion, the Comm Shop is called the S-6.

In an infantry regiment (has 4 battalions under it) the logistics shop is the S-4.

In an Infantry Division (4 Regiments and a bunch of independent units under them) the Intel shop is the G-2.

And finally at the Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF) (Has a Infantry Division, a Marine Aircraft Wing, and a Marine Logistics Group under it) the Operations section is the G-3.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/05/14/the-navys-probe-into-sky-penis/

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Jimmy4400nav posted:

That read like one of those chain email copypastas people relatives like to spam.


Thats cool! I'd been wondering about those codes and numbers too.

There's a joint pub that's nothing but common DOD abbreviations and terms...the staff directorates are defined there. Except the Navy...only a couple of them are listed. Joint, Air, and Army (G) are defined though.

Edit: DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms, October 2019

Jimmy4400nav
Apr 1, 2011

Ambassador to Moonlandia

Wingnut Ninja posted:

I got started down this rabbit hole reading about Mass Effect and the N7 designation that's so iconic in the series. Given that the opening title of the first game is basically a direct homage to the opening of Top Gun, I figured it was an easter egg reference to Shepard being part of the training and tactics department (N7 being the code for TOPGUN). But apparently in the game lore it's just a qualification level that starts at N1 and goes up from there. :geno: So having N7 on your armor is basically like a TOPGUN patch.

I though Mass Effect also when I saw we had departments with N-designations.


Thanks for the link!

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Howard Phillips
May 4, 2008

His smile; it shines in the darkest of depths. There is hope yet.

KetTarma posted:

I once got sent to NNSY shipyard for SURGEMAIN AT. They didn't have any work for me to do as an EMN1 because no one was expecting me. I got sent to the firewatch group. The firewatch group didn't have a lot going on so I sat at a picnic table for a few hours a day to see if anyone wanted anything then left.

In the grand scheme of things, it was a pretty decent deal albeit extremely boring.

Well I will be an officer again when I re-affiliate. So hopefully that means I will be standing at a desk with a computer instead of a picnic table.

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