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mfcrocker posted:Seriously there's no difference in your arguments and those of a Greer or Moore Because they literally use it as a smokescreen, a genuine belief in the abolition of gender is now TERF? Are you loving kidding me? We need to continue to promote a violent system of domination and division of labour in order to make sure trans people can be properly recognised in our gender as either abuser or abused?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Because they literally use it as a smokescreen, a genuine belief in the abolition of gender is now TERF? Are you loving kidding me? We need to continue to promote a violent system of domination and division of labour in order to make sure trans people can be properly recognised in our gender as either abuser or abused? You'll understand that, given the rest of your posts today, I'm not exactly intending to give you the benefit of the doubt on it being a genuine belief
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Aphex- posted:I'm a QA tester and have been trying to learn to code for the past year in quiet periods of my job. I'm learning Python and have written a couple of simple automation scripts. I'd love to get into development but it feels like learning to code is such a slow process. I also don't feel like I've actually learnt much, sure I've written scripts and things that work but it's mostly just finding similar pieces of code by googling the problem, pasting them together and modifying them slightly until they work. Hi there, I'm LTTP but might be able to help. I'm working as an automation tester, which kinda sounds like what you've started to do with your python scripts. As people mentioned, what you're doing is pretty much how most coders work anyway. It's a slow process but you don't need to be a genius to get a somewhat entry level dev or test automation job that's likely in my experience to be a hell of a lot more fun, and pay a LOT better than manual testing. If you like problem solving and swearing at yourself, coding might well be a career for you!
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mfcrocker posted:You'll understand that, given the rest of your posts today, I'm not exactly intending to give you the benefit of the doubt on it being a genuine belief Well go gently caress yourself. None of my posts have been disingenuous, you've just disagreed with them.
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Spuckuk posted:Hi there, I'm LTTP but might be able to help. I'm working as an automation tester, which kinda sounds like what you've started to do with your python scripts. Haha yeah problem solving and swearing at myself is pretty much what I've been doing with my code so far! I actually started to learn to code because I kept getting emails from recruiters advertising automation testing positions, and it kind of blew my mind at the salary they were offering. I'm going to set up a github account and just put all these little simple scripts on there and keep doing it.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Well go gently caress yourself. None of my posts have been disingenuous, you've just disagreed with them. gently caress off, you tankie swerf
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CGI Stardust posted:This is a good and informative post, thank you! It's interesting that as a former Lib Dem you also have no idea what the gently caress they're actually trying to achieve. It's like there's no long-term planning going on, and they haven't got any idea how to achieve what their values are / claim to be (other than Stop Breeeexiiiit) They don't believe revoke will actually happen, it's all tactics. I think the climate change intersection is based in their history. They used to be anti-nuke and were paying some attention to the environment before Labour and the Conservatives. Green lefties coming up out of CND and similar organisations often joined them during the Blair years when they were under Charlie Kennedy. At that point I would have said their platform was left of Labour, not now.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Well go gently caress yourself. None of my posts have been disingenuous, you've just disagreed with them. Would you say that you’re an engaging, high-impact poster with a lot to offer?
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WhiskyWhiskers raises some good points, i'm not sure why you're shouting her down. Gender abolitionism has been a strong point of marxist gender politics for a long time. Heck, even Engels wrote a short and good essay on it, when he was writing about the capitalist construction of the family, which any marxist feminist worth their salt should read https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch05.htm
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Quick reminder to the computer touchers in the thread that you can get involved with Momentum's digital tooling - there's a slack server and everything! If you sign up at https://volunteer.peoplesmomentum.com/multistep you'll get emailed back (there's a bit of a backlog I think someone managed to get hold of a shitload of people recently) with a link inviting you to it. Come hang out in #tech with the rest of the UKMT
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Shakespearean Beef posted:WhiskyWhiskers raises some good points, i'm not sure why you're shouting her down. Gender abolitionism has been a strong point of marxist gender politics for a long time. Heck, even Engels wrote a short and good essay on it, when he was writing about the capitalist construction of the family, which any marxist feminist worth their salt should read https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch05.htm Probably due to the utterly dreadful takes on sex work. As I said, after all that poo poo I don't trust them. There's arguments to be made for gender abolitionism but it's not the only approach and needs to be discussed with nuance given how critical gender can be to some trans identities. Also hi Shakey Beef it's been a while
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Holy moley the arguing with the dumb tankie telling people to read Mao & Stalin is very silly and going no where, isn't it? Imagine being communist and actually thinking nation states were a good idea and your guiding man for that take is Stalin. What a time to be alive. It's important to remember that as well as being apologists for utterly failed states like the USSR tankies are horrendously regressive on most, if not all, social issues (see rambling about homosexuality being bourgeois degeneracy for example, far too common in those circles) and there's so few of them at this point that it's not even worth wasting your time trying to convert them to a less monstrous outlook. Your time is more valuable than that.
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forkboy84 posted:Imagine being communist and actually thinking nation states were a good idea and your guiding man for that take is Stalin. What a time to be alive. ...the 1960s?
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you were pretending to be a landlord now shakey? was no one biting
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landlords can be marxists too. u could say i imagined that i was enthusiastic about lenin, the value form, and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, until the day of danger wrung from me the confession that i am enthusiastic only about ground rent.
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forkboy84 posted:Holy moley the arguing with the dumb tankie telling people to read Mao & Stalin is very silly and going no where, isn't it? Imagine being communist and actually thinking nation states were a good idea and your guiding man for that take is Stalin. What a time to be alive. Miftan posted:...the 1960s? quote:'The training schedule was exacting, but occasionally left us time for a little fun. We were 'entertaining' a group of foreign students and trying to lead a Bedouin kind of life in order to politicize our Bedouin population. The students had been attending an international solidarity meeting in Amman held under the auspices of the General union of Palestinian Students. Most were graduates of the 1968 university upheavals in the West. We found it very amusing that they honestly believed they were making a 'revolution' if they undressed in public, seized a university building, or shouted an obscenity at bureaucrats. I was initially opposed and refused to talk to them, even though some believed in violent revolution, because I didn’t want to be another experimental 'guinea-pig' to Westerners.
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what is there to apologise for about a nation that introduced universal sufferage, repelled invasion from a coalition of colonialist paedophiles, raised 10s of millions out of poverty, put the first person in space, and destroyed the nazis, what i ask you
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Shakespearean Beef posted:landlords can be marxists too. u could say i imagined that i was enthusiastic about lenin, the value form, and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, until the day of danger wrung from me the confession that i am enthusiastic only about ground rent. dull, bad. try?
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CoolCab posted:dull, bad. try? if you're going to sign your posts, it usually goes at the end
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gh0stpinballa posted:what is there to apologise for about a nation that introduced universal sufferage, repelled invasion from a coalition of colonialist paedophiles, raised 10s of millions out of poverty, put the first person in space, and destroyed the nazis, what i ask you Commentariat
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gh0stpinballa posted:what is there to apologise for about a nation that introduced universal sufferage, repelled invasion from a coalition of colonialist paedophiles, raised 10s of millions out of poverty, put the first person in space, and destroyed the nazis, what i ask you Making their own colonialist paedophile deputy premier wasn't great.
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Darth Walrus posted:Making their own colonialist paedophile deputy premier wasn't great. yes but on the plus side they blew his head off, whereas ours goes to church with his mother the queen every sunday
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Shakespearean Beef posted:if you're going to sign your posts, it usually goes at the end even worse, honestly.
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Bundy posted:JS (or some derivative like TypeScript), this most certainly isn't going anywhere in the web app/SPA space I'm going to offer the opinon that learning JS as your first language is a really great way to learn some atrocious coding habits. It's absolutely vital for front-end webdev, but for the love of God, learn it after you have a solid foundation in a language with a strong, static type system. Bundy posted:Read up on paradigms as well. People have said things like "data structures/algorithms are cool and all, but..." where I'd disagree. Getting your head around some of the key fundamentals, even at a higher level (intro to data structures, intro to algorithms) will help you make better choices when reaching for a language, or a language feature, to solve a problem. Agreed. I work with a team at the minute where there just is not a whole lot of knowledge of different types of data structures and it's a definite pain point, both for them and for me, the poor bastard who's being pigeon-holed as the refactoring/optimisation guy. I'd also recommend looking into higher-order functions like map, filter and reduce. They sound scary, and can look scary sometimes, but they're a) extremely powerful, b) generally applicable, c) usually cleaner than whatever your other solution was going to be, and d) are available in most languages these days.
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Alctel posted:I was in computer server/network/storage for 16 years till I quit and went travelling on my boat. just for you, from the 2019 SO survey data
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gh0stpinballa posted:yes but on the plus side they blew his head off, whereas ours goes to church with his mother the queen every sunday
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Actual lmao at using the Palestinians as an example of needing nationalism when the problem with nationalism is exemplified in the Israeli state. I don't hate nationalism for the sake of it, but because it seems to always turn the people who were oppressed and lunged out of through nationalism into oppressors (or overthrown by the CIA whatever comes first). Actually, scratch that, because the Kurds seemed to be doing pretty well!
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Jose posted:Stanning for the massacre of students at Tiananmen is a spicy hot take there pal. User loses posting privileges for 1 week. Oh a tankie
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Miftan posted:Actual lmao at using the Palestinians as an example of needing nationalism when the problem with nationalism is exemplified in the Israeli state. I don't hate nationalism for the sake of it, but because it seems to always turn the people who were oppressed and lunged out of through nationalism into oppressors (or overthrown by the CIA whatever comes first). As was explained in the Stalin piece, Judaism isn't a nation. Israel is a settler colony, not a nation.
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I'm going to offer the opinon that learning JS as your first language is a really great way to learn some atrocious coding habits. It's absolutely vital for front-end webdev, but for the love of God, learn it after you have a solid foundation in a language with a strong, static type system. html/javascript/css/front-end-web-dev is by far the most popular part of software dev and in many ways the easiest to get into. concerns about ideological purity of the language can wait until after your first paycheck
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There's something kinda lolworthy about a self professed marxist going round with the calipers declaring who is and isn't a nation. Like fishook theory only apparently you go far enough left and end up back at british colonial administration.
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I'm going to offer the opinon that learning JS as your first language is a really great way to learn some atrocious coding habits. It's absolutely vital for front-end webdev, but for the love of God, learn it after you have a solid foundation in a language with a strong, static type system. Oops I actually wasn't meaning to imply learn JS first, but that it's something that should probably end up on your belt at some point. Should have been clearer but I swerve to Python for starting out later in the rambling post of KOGAHAZAN!! posted:Agreed. I work with a team at the minute where there just is not a whole lot of knowledge of different types of data structures and it's a definite pain point, both for them and for me, the poor bastard who's being pigeon-holed as the refactoring/optimisation guy. Yeah and if you do go down the Python path to start out, comprehensions are amazing in addition to these.
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OwlFancier posted:There's something kinda lolworthy about a self professed marxist going round with the calipers declaring who is and isn't a nation. Yes, very strange that Marxists might believe in an explicable material basis for nations. I definitely enjoy the completely incomprehensible anarchist alternative of everyone who wants a nation being one, but also having to denounce it and never use it. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Pretty sure the anarchist alternative is that there is no concrete material basis for nationalism and that it is a political fiction, one which reliably results in people turning into the dickheads even if it's originally used as a vehicle for emanicpation, so be careful if you're using it, because it is a tool that by the nature of its form lends itself to harm. Do not want a nation, because it's a bad way of thinking, and it being potentially a better way of thinking than being oppressed by some bigger assholes is not an endorsement of it as being good, any more than a gun is inherently good.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Yes, very strange that Marxists might believe in an explicable material basis for nations. your a country
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Bundy posted:Oops I actually wasn't meaning to imply learn JS first, but that it's something that should probably end up on your belt at some point. Should have been clearer but I swerve to Python for starting out later in the rambling post of Python is great to learn with, but still doesn't teach you about the dis/advantages of type systems and stuff, unless you strictly enforce type hints. Maybe something like Kotlin is nice to play around with too? Java based, so has a strong type system, but with a bunch of nice stuff around it to make it feel less like that you're faffing with Java.
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I think the idea of "nationhood" is a silly one, there have been thousands of different kin groups, polities and other factors to create differing systems, but to have any great love for them is foolish. Nations are bad because they are tools that inevitably harm us when they do things we do not agree with, and the structures become self-perpetuating instead of serving a purpose.
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https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1194635049980743688 Holy loving poo poo. Youth turnout is absolutely key.
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coffeetable posted:html/javascript/css/front-end-web-dev is by far the most popular part of software dev and in many ways the easiest to get into. concerns about ideological purity of the language can wait until after your first paycheck My concern isn't "ideological purity" so much as "the absolute greatest ally you're ever going to have in writing robust code is a strict compiler that won't take any bullshit, but to make that work you need to be able to give it the information it needs to dom your idiot arse." JavaScript just makes it too easy to make things that work without actually thinking about what you're trying to do. I just don't think that's a good way to learn.
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