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Shakespearean Beef posted:Python is great to learn with, but still doesn't teach you about the dis/advantages of type systems and stuff, unless you strictly enforce type hints. Maybe something like Kotlin is nice to play around with too? Java based, so has a strong type system, but with a bunch of nice stuff around it to make it feel less like that you're faffing with Java. The other alternative if you want Java without all the loving bloat is Go
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1194635049980743688 Lol rip the UK At least most of those 65+ will starve to death over the next couple of years
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1194635049980743688 We knew this. It's why the polling is so bad and always skews right - they only count people who state they are certain to vote.
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Shakespearean Beef posted:Python is great to learn with, but still doesn't teach you about the dis/advantages of type systems and stuff, unless you strictly enforce type hints. Maybe something like Kotlin is nice to play around with too? Java based, so has a strong type system, but with a bunch of nice stuff around it to make it feel less like that you're faffing with Java. Eh, Python is still strongly typed it's just not statically typed, it doesn't do coercion unlike poo poo like PHP and JS. You can't shove assign a name to 1 and then start treating it like it's "1" because you'll get an exception to the face. Personally, I prefer treating data structures as immutable rather than of any particular type.
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1194635049980743688 loving hell Why won't people save themselves
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Could Greens and Labour done a deal or does Labour have a rule about not standing down for seats (I think I heard this?). What should the Greens have done instead of the terrible decision to ally with the lib dems?
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:JavaScript just makes it too easy to make things that work without actually thinking about what you're trying to do. how many parts of the software industry have you worked in?
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fuf posted:Could Greens and Labour done a deal or does Labour have a rule about not standing down for seats (I think I heard this?). Run where they're likely to win (Brighton) and where there's no danger of handing the seat to the tories
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Jedit posted:We knew this. It's why the polling is so bad and always skews right - they only count people who state they are certain to vote. Well, yeah. 18-24 turnout in 2017 was actually about 64%. If get near that again it'll be pretty tasty.
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fuf posted:Could Greens and Labour done a deal or does Labour have a rule about not standing down for seats (I think I heard this?). Labour is a major party and standing down would be humiliating and lead to wall to wall negative coverage about them being shook. c.f. Brexit Party shenanigans
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i am a mathematician who learned haskell first and the quality of the code ive seen over the years is pretty close to uncorrelated with how many types are scattered around. they're nice to have! sometimes! for some systems! and in others - especially when there's not much branching - they're just a pain in the rear end that lengthens your research loop frankly opinions on type systems are just shy of opinions on indentation when it comes to tech industry shibboleths
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sebzilla posted:Well, yeah. What percentage of them are 'likely', as in, more than 5 out of 10?
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fuf posted:Could Greens and Labour done a deal or does Labour have a rule about not standing down for seats (I think I heard this?). Fold as a party and join Labour. I'm not sure what the point of the Greens is anymore with Labour and their green new deal kicking around, especially with the Greens going "b-b-but the unions!!"
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coffeetable posted:i am a mathematician who learned haskell first and the quality of the code ive seen over the years is pretty close to uncorrelated with how many types are scattered around. they're nice to have! sometimes! for some systems! and in others - especially when there's not much branching - they're just a pain in the rear end that lengthens your research loop ahhh my yearly reminder to shave the rust off my haskell
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Barry Foster posted:loving hell Why would you trust the pollsters to get that question right when they constantly gently caress up on every other one? Re. Nationalism-chat, I've always held the opinion that nationalism can be a good servant to a greater cause under some circumstances, e.g. if you need to do a Great Patriotic War or a national liberation struggle or something along those lines, but only as long as it stays a servant. Because as history shows, nationalism is a really loving bad master.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Re. Nationalism-chat, I've always held the opinion that nationalism can be a good servant to a greater cause under some circumstances, e.g. if you need to do a Great Patriotic War or a national liberation struggle or something along those lines, but only as long as it stays a servant. Because as history shows, nationalism is a really loving bad master.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:As was explained in the Stalin piece, Judaism isn't a nation. Israel is a settler colony, not a nation. Funny, because they tick all your other boxes for being a nation like shared language, history, community, maybe not economic activity because they were pretty spread out at the time. I'm not saying Israel isn't a lovely country, but I wonder if good ol' Uncle Joe would have had any other reason for not considering Jews a real nation..  OwlFancier posted:Pretty sure the anarchist alternative is that there is no concrete material basis for nationalism and that it is a political fiction, one which reliably results in people turning into the dickheads even if it's originally used as a vehicle for emanicpation, so be careful if you're using it, because it is a tool that by the nature of its form lends itself to harm.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Why would you trust the pollsters to get that question right when they constantly gently caress up on every other one? Yeah, good point, dumb of me and I'm still not totally au fait with How Polls Work. Like, I know they gently caress with the weightings to give the results they want but I figured the raw data would be relatively sound - but there's a bunch of ways for them to gently caress with that as well, I guess Sorry for going off on one
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Bundy posted:Eh, Python is still strongly typed it's just not statically typed, it doesn't do coercion unlike poo poo like PHP and JS. Oh! D'oh, I always confuse the 2 terms. Still, static typing is also nice to play around with sometimes
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Miftan posted:Funny, because they tick all your other boxes for being a nation like shared language, history, community, maybe not economic activity because they were pretty spread out at the time. I'm not saying Israel isn't a lovely country, but I wonder if good ol' Uncle Joe would have had any other reason for not considering Jews a real nation.. Because Israel is in Siberia, duh.
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Miftan posted:Funny, because they tick all your other boxes for being a nation like shared language, history, community, maybe not economic activity because they were pretty spread out at the time. I'm not saying Israel isn't a lovely country, but I wonder if good ol' Uncle Joe would have had any other reason for not considering Jews a real nation.. Guavanaut posted:Belief that the nation is its territory and its people's and both can be distinctly defined is textbook nationalism, so this is sure to go in a cool direction.
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i didn't see this posted in the thread, maybe missed it in among all the other stuff https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/13/mccluskey-tells-corbyn-defy-calls-extend-freedom-of-movement https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1194601893374418944 coffeetable posted:i am a mathematician who learned haskell first and the quality of the code ive seen over the years is pretty close to uncorrelated with how many types are scattered around. they're nice to have! sometimes! for some systems! and in others - especially when there's not much branching - they're just a pain in the rear end that lengthens your research loop
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The Kantar site makes it abundantly clear how important it is to get young people to first of all register and then get them to turn out on polling dayhttps://www.kantar.com/public/uk/our-thinking/methods/weighting-voting-intention-data posted:How does Kantar Public estimate voting probabilities?
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Me floating around in my giant levitating stone head of stalin "THE NATION IS GOOD, THE PENIS IS EVIL"
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I'm having a massive headache because today was an incredibly lovely and stupid day at work and I'm lolling at the people in the thread talking about becoming a software developer like the technical side is the difficult part Like yes there are challenges and you need actual talent to get to the higher paid positions but boy howdy you better be ready to deal with incredible human stupidity because that's going to be the part that will make you miserable every day
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bessantj posted:Rod Stewart has a massive model railway set. Looks really cool. My first instinct was to sneer because lol Rod Stewart but then I opened the link and holy poo poo that's actually amazing
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1194635049980743688 Hence this spicy hot take Rod the Fuckin' Liddle posted:Universities may have broken up by the 12th and the Lib Dems and Labour will therefore risk losing a tidal wave of support from voters who are pig ignorant, pay no taxes and who, when delighted by something, do not clap their hands but wave them in the air like Al Jolson singing ‘Mammy’. Javascript chat, I'm not sure I'd recommend it as a first language either. Front-end development in general is a horrific morass, i.e. https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f . Personally I'd start with C# for a 'proper' typed language and maybe Groovy for mucking about scripting stuff. E: Pochoclo posted:I'm lolling at the people in the thread talking about becoming a software developer like the technical side is the difficult part Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to get across. You don't know you hate that part of the job until you're stuck looking at another 40 years of it and trying not to burn out and/or shoot up the office. RockyB fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Pochoclo posted:be ready to deal with incredible human stupidity because that's going to be the part that will make you miserable every day Pretty sure that's every job everywhere, forever.
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CGI Stardust posted:i've liked static type systems in my personal projects because they're externalizing cognition, which helps if you are, like me, a bit of a dumbass who keeps forgetting what things do. if you're some kind of person with memory, maybe they're less important! although one thing we should all be able to agree on is that syntax highlighting is nice Having explicitly declared type makes the it more readable for the poor sap that has to deal with my code a couple months later (and more often than not, I am that person)
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Stop the young from voting, use voter oppression! But we must maintain democracy from the communists!
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Diet Crack posted:I'm also laughing at how much of a car crash Jo Swinson is turning into. It brings me great joy to see the lib dems fumbling over themselves because they're so incomprehensibly stupid and short sighted. Oh look, it's the bedroom tax Jo voted for  
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