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not joseph stalin posted:LOL at the recreated text message where they added Volker with a "..." Unless its a screenshot Taylor took, in which case, hats off to him for documenting that thoroughly a text conversation. https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1194657446159167488
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cr0y posted:Who is this counsel guy? An actual prosecutor with some experience with crimes https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...acaa_story.html
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, you're very right but also you can do a bad thing even if it's not a bad thing in a vacuum. Like, in a vacuum yea it's good to not send missiles and guns to nazis on vague cold war era 'we gotta stop the ruskies' but it's not good to do that because you want those nazis to investigate your enemies for you before you do. Sure, no question - I'm in complete agreement with this, and I am glad he's giving this testimony.
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cr0y posted:Who is this counsel guy? He's counsel for the majority. The Democrats wrote the rules for impeachment this time that as part of the 45-minute questioning period that Democrats or Republicans could hand off their time to their respective counsel for questioning because obviously a trained lawyer is going to be better and more pointed at asking questions than your garden variety congressperson.
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Majorian posted:This strikes me as a really good argument for the U.S. not to be involved in Ukraine, though. it is an argument for maintaining the peace by continuing to let russia dominate its former empire, yes. that said, russia's army is not the ussr red army, and the realpolitik need to allow russia to govern its former empire by military force is seriously diminished compared to trying to impose a general "one country does not deal with its issues with another country via invasion" principle* as well as trying to allow Ukraine to escape Russian domination. *yes, this is also honored in the breach by the United States
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sexpig by night posted:The biggest advantage this has over Mueller is A) none of these people seem to be actively going senile, so that's nice, and B) 'we all thought it was clear trump wanted personal gain for aid' is a much more easily expressed thing than the fifty layers of That Russia poo poo. that and this guy sounds like what people hoped mueller instead of droopy dog who didnt answer poo poo.
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Majorian posted:Sure, no question - I'm in complete agreement with this, and I am glad he's giving this testimony. Then you better fix major gaps in your knowledge, starting with the Budapest Memorandum.
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Xarthor posted:He's counsel for the majority. The Democrats wrote the rules for impeachment this time that as part of the 45-minute questioning period that Democrats or Republicans could hand off their time to their respective counsel for questioning because obviously a trained lawyer is going to be better and more pointed at asking questions than your garden variety congressperson. yeah basically. they're doing this for two reasons: 1) congresspeople are 90% horrid at witness questioning, and usually waste their five minutes grandstanding. they have an actual litigator who does this professionally 2) by giving this guy 45 straight minutes, he can get a full story out of the guy without giving republicans a chance to disrupt the testimony every five minutes, so the story will hang together better (or if it's a hostile witness, to keep the pressure on until he cracks rather than giving him a break every 5 minutes)
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Xarthor posted:...a trained lawyer is going to be better and more pointed at asking questions than your garden variety congressperson. Surely the Republicans will do the same thing instead of bringing in several rodeo clowns...
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OddObserver posted:Then you better fix major gaps in your knowledge, starting with the Budapest Memorandum. I'm well-aware of the Budapest Memorandum. I'm also aware of arguments that the U.S. is as much in violation of the Memorandum as Russia is. Are you?
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evilweasel posted:in case anyone is curious about the upcoming HEARSAY!!!!! objection about the testimony of overhearing what trump said to sondland Uhhh I think you’ll find that party opponent statements are clearly defined as “statements which are not hearsay,” which is somehow undefinably different from hearsay statements subject to an exception. Since this distinction is very meaningful and important I’m going to need you to surrender your lawyer card.
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sexpig by night posted:The biggest advantage this has over Mueller is A) none of these people seem to be actively going senile, so that's nice, and B) 'we all thought it was clear trump wanted personal gain for aid' is a much more easily expressed thing than the fifty layers of That Russia poo poo. also there are a lot fewer of them who are explicitly republican cops who made their bones talking about how no, really, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction it's still likely to end in the same place, but The Optics (tm) are a hell of a lot better this time around than the cast of SNL gathering in public loving prayer around a shrine
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Majorian posted:This strikes me as a really good argument for the U.S. not to be involved in Ukraine, though. But Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and they are still occupying Crimea. The US and Europe have to step in now. Stopping the invasion of other countries is like the primary goal of alliances.
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Trump felt he had been "wronged" by Ukraine and the Biden investigations were what they "owed" him to fix things E: Haha they used the word extortion finally
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Old Surly posted:Surely the Republicans will do the same thing instead of bringing in several rodeo clowns... It’s pretty hard to miss Gym Jordan. He is the only one without a jacket and he brought a giant sign.
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Holy poo poo! "regardless of what you call it.. quid pro quo, extortion, bribery, abuse of power..." that's a hell of a question.
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Ok I like this being done by a lawyer.
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Slowpoke! posted:But Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and they are still occupying Crimea. The US and Europe have to step in now. Stopping the invasion of other countries is like the primary goal of alliances. Ukraine is not an ally of the U.S. It is not a NATO member or an EU member. We do not have to step in, and we should not step in unless we want to turn the country into a no man's land for a massive proxy war.
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Majorian posted:I'm well-aware of the Budapest Memorandum. I'm also aware of arguments that the U.S. is as much in violation of the Memorandum as Russia is. Are you? "Slavs are really aliens" has filled up my quote of insane theories for the region in a week. It's hard to be more in breech than annexation combined with occupation of half of another region.
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Ogmius815 posted:Uhhh I think you’ll find that party opponent statements are clearly defined as “statements which are not hearsay,” which is somehow undefinably different from hearsay statements subject to an exception. Since this distinction is very meaningful and important I’m going to need you to surrender your lawyer card. absolutely brutal evilweasel has no choice but to resign from his posting career
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I know everyone is saying it, but man, a real litigator makes so much difference. It's the only way to go.
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So, just tuning in for bits now and then but what will the Fox spin be on this tonight? Like others mentioned it's waaaaaay more cut and dry and documented than the Mueller investigation.
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AhhYes posted:I know everyone is saying it, but man, a real litigator makes so much difference. It's the only way to go. 
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Neo Rasa posted:So, just tuning in for bits now and then but what will the Fox spin be on this tonight? Like others mentioned it's waaaaaay more cut and dry and documented than the Mueller investigation. Fox will just be airing a segment on the latest Ronco invention rather than actually even trying to spin it.
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oxsnard posted:Goddamn Goldman is a loving shark He's a former SDNY AUSA. He's basically spent a decade prosecuting criminals.
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cr0y posted:Ok I like this being done by a lawyer. Hearing this dude makes me want to be a lawyer but then I remember all of the dry legal texts that put me to sleep in college 
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AhhYes posted:I know everyone is saying it, but man, a real litigator makes so much difference. It's the only way to go. Yeah, stripping away the bullshit political posturing, this is an extremely effective way to question witnesses.
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Neo Rasa posted:So, just tuning in for bits now and then but what will the Fox spin be on this tonight? Like others mentioned it's waaaaaay more cut and dry and documented than the Mueller investigation. The Fox spin is to run the gently caress away as fast as possible. https://twitter.com/mlcalderone/status/1194654981862969344 (posted earlier)
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cr0y posted:Ok I like this being done by a lawyer. Yeah that was a good call.
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ewiley posted:Yeah, stripping away the bullshit political posturing, this is an extremely effective way to question witnesses. It is almost like this is how it should be done.
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Ogmius815 posted:Uhhh I think you’ll find that party opponent statements are clearly defined as “statements which are not hearsay,” which is somehow undefinably different from hearsay statements subject to an exception. Since this distinction is very meaningful and important I’m going to need you to surrender your lawyer card. augh this shame, it hurts
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Slowpoke! posted:It’s pretty hard to miss Gym Jordan. He is the only one without a jacket and he brought a giant sign. Seriously whats with the no jacket? I mean I hate suits, but I equally hate the shirts and ties as well so why doesn't he just go full CHUD and wear his wrestling spandex.
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I can't wait for Nunez' time to start so we can hear him whine about Hunter Biden. It's going to land like a wet fart.
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Failed Imagineer posted:My Ukrainian friend from Kyiv pronounces it like Kyiv Kiowa
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