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I'd like F&F a lot more if they just accepted what they are and gave everyone weird colorful 80s GI Joe costumes with wacky themes.
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I thought this Shaw guy was also a bad guy. I never saw anything except this new movie since Tokyo Drift.
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Nov 10, 2019 16:38
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Tenzarin posted:I thought this Shaw guy was also a bad guy. I never saw anything except this new movie since Tokyo Drift. People say the series became the Avengers with #5 but it also shares a lot of similarities with Dragon Ball Z in how the crew grows ever larger from friends and heroes earlier in the series coming back and recruiting/reforming villains. Also the increasing "power levels".
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Nov 10, 2019 16:57
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Tenzarin posted:I thought this Shaw guy was also a bad guy. I never saw anything except this new movie since Tokyo Drift. He was the bad guy in 7 but teamed up with the good guys in 8 and had such good chemistry with The Rock in 8 they decided to make a spin off with the 2 of them. You really should watch 5,6 and 7. Not for back story or anything, just because it's a near perfect dumb action movie trilogy
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Nov 10, 2019 16:59
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The F&F movies know exactly what they are and they are wonderful. I just need them to hurry up and drive fast cars in space.
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Nov 11, 2019 00:35
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Krispy Wafer posted:The answer is about 5k pounds for a Huey. Unless that Huey is particularly fast and furious, then who knows how much it can haul. Ok, lets say two of the tow trucks also activate NOS while that are pulling the other tow trucks which are all attached to the helicopter. What kinda of force is that placing the fast and furious helicopter under? Also can a tow truck also activate it's NOS system without damaging the car its towing?
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Tenzarin posted:I also have another fast and the furious question. The cargo hook on an UH-60 is rated to 8,000lbs, while the total gross weight of the helicopter is 22,000 lbs. So to figure out how much it can lift you add up the basic weight of the helicopter (Engines, airframe, oil, etc), add in the weight of the crew, add in the weight of any equipment such as door guns, survival gear, body armor, and add the weight of the fuel on board and what remains is the rated limit of what the aircraft can weigh. Usually a UH-60 loaded with crew and fuel weighs around 14,500 lbs. 22,000 - 14,500 = 7,500 lbs of carrying capacity. Now you also have to factor in the effects of heat and altitude on the engine's performance. Their rated output is calculated at 15*C at sea level. Warmer temperatures and high altitudes mean a decrease in the performance of the engines due to the thinner air having less oxygen and lift producing characteristics. Now, I've only seen the trailer to Hobbes and Shaw, but it looks like the helicopter stuff is happening on a tropical island, so the engines should be performing close to their rated power. So, a UH-60 should be able lift 4 tons under those conditions. If the weight of the tow trucks together was greater than that, one of two things would happen. One is that the engines reach the limit of power they are able to produce before they are able to lift the weight off the ground. To prevent damage to the engines, the control module cuts fuel to the engines until they drop back into their normal range then re-introduces fuel. This has the effect of drooping the rotor RPM on the aircraft and causing it to settle towards the ground. If this happens too severely the aircraft could crash. The other thing that could happen is the engines produce more power than the airframe is rated for, which means that the pilot can apply more power from the engine to the aircraft than the aircraft can handle, which will damage the transmission and other components. The is usually prevented by the pilot monitoring a gauge of applied aircraft power or "torque." So if the Rock and company daisy chained six two trucks together and attached the trucks to a UH-60 Black Hawk, they would be able to tether the Black Hawk to a particular spot as the helicopter couldn't physically lift the total weight. They wouldn't necessarily be able to move the aircraft unless they were able to apply more force than the aircraft was creating to keep it in one spot, and this would factor into the power of the truck's engines versus the helicopter's. So basically if you could spear a Black Hawk with a tow cable like in the Empire Strikes Back you could pin it to one place if you had more weight than it could shift, but you wouldn't be able to drag it along with the cable unless you had stronger engines than the helicopter. The Rock wouldn't be able to pull it out of the sky with his bare hands and a rope, but a strong enough winch could if it was anchored securely. This answer has gone on way too long, but basically helicopters in movies are magic machines that mainly exist to blow up.
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Oh also they weren't hooked to like the normal lifting area of a helicopter. You know how like attack helicopters have those little wings with missiles? It was tied around that. Not like the bottom of the helicopter. Jesus Christ! Your answer is so loving detailed. Yea, they were like only 20-30 feet from the ground also, if like the engine turned off. They would have been splat all over the ground in like less that 1 second. I also take it that the cargo hook itself is one of the most structural solid parts of the helicopter which has an incredible amount of yield strength to protect the itself from damage from lifting heavy objects. And other parts of the helicopter wouldn't be able to lift a heavy mass as well as the cargo hook. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Nov 11, 2019 07:06
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I can't get over expectations of the laws of physics being important to your enjoyment of a Fast and Furious film.
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Shhhhhhhhh, were doing important work here!
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Tenzarin posted:Shhhhhhhhh, were doing important work here! I don't want opinions on the Fast and Furious franchise from people who haven't seen number 5.
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Nov 11, 2019 08:31
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With greater understanding, Presenting Shaw and Hobbs might be the most influential Fast and the Furious movie since 2 Fast 2 Furious!
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Tenzarin posted:Oh also they weren't hooked to like the normal lifting area of a helicopter. You know how like attack helicopters have those little wings with missiles? It was tied around that. Not like the bottom of the helicopter. Yeah, if a rope was around the wing stores it would either tear the wing off, or it could cause the aircraft to go into dynamic rollover, where in it rolls too much to one side to maintain lift and topples over and crashes. Helicopter stunts were cooler prior to CGI when you had to have actual aircraft. Check out this stunt from T2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7auKRPiNGU&t=69s An actual Bell 206 flying under a bridge. Wasn't faked, they just did it.
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Skwirl posted:I can't get over expectations of the laws of physics being important to your enjoyment of a Fast and Furious film. How Tie fighters fly in atmosphere is the physics question I want answered. Wings don’t work like that.
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Nov 11, 2019 21:27
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Krispy Wafer posted:How Tie fighters fly in atmosphere is the physics question I want answered. Wings don’t work like that. IIRC starships switch to repulsor lift engines in atmosphere, the same technology that speeder bikes, Jabba’s sail barge, etc. use
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Nov 13, 2019 17:07
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What are three John ford silent Westerns I could show to set up Stage Coach?
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Jack B Nimble posted:What are three John ford silent Westerns I could show to set up Stage Coach? 3 Bad Men is essential. Tom Santschi's performance is great and anticipates John Wayne's persona by a decade.
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Nov 13, 2019 18:53
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Pablo Nergigante posted:IIRC starships switch to repulsor lift engines in atmosphere, the same technology that speeder bikes, Jabba’s sail barge, etc. use Speeder bikes are aerodynamic and Jabba's barge just kind of floats (and is still at least slightly aerodynamic). It's Star Wars, so I can't expect too much realism; I just figured they'd bring out a different imperial ship for atmospheric fights. I don't think they showed a Tie fighter flying through the air in any of the prior movies so it was a little weird seeing it in TFA and then Rogue One.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:01
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the answer is The Force y'all
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*notices TIE fighter flying through Regular Atmosphere* The Force is strong with this one
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Ok, I've made the following list of westerns for my freinds to watch and discuss, in something more consistent and serious than just a regular movie night. We did this previously with 10 Kurosawa films and it went well. This list is already much larger than the Kurosawa list, but is there anything I absolutely must add? Or any glaringly bad choices? I've seen some of these but not many. I plan to watch them in chronological order except that Unforgiven will be last, after Tombstone. The Great Train Robbery 1903 Hell's Hinges 1916 straight shooter 1917 iron horse 1924 Charlie Chaplain Gold Rush 1925 3 Bad Men 1926 Stage Coach 1939 My darling clementine 1946 Fort Apache 1948 She Wore a Yellow Ribbon 1949 Rio Grande 1950 Shane 1953 The Searchers 1956 Rio bravo 1959 The Man who Shot Liberty Valance 1962 El Dorado 1966 True Grit 1969 For a Fistfull of Dollars 1964 For a Few Dollars More 1965 The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly 1966 Once upon a time in the west 1968 High Plains Drifter 1973 Tombstone 1993 Unforgiven 1992
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Nov 13, 2019 20:20
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I might strike one of the Sergio/Clint movies for The Wild Bunch
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morestuff posted:I might strike one of the Sergio/Clint movies for The Wild Bunch Out of the four I listed I've only seen The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, which of the four would you recommend I drop? One of the three that form what I believe is a loose "man with no name" trilogy, or High Plains Drifter? Or, hell, maybe just add one more movie.
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I'd probably drop Few Dollars More. Edit: and I'd probably find a way to sneak Johnny Guitar in there, too morestuff fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 20:27
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Krispy Wafer posted:Speeder bikes are aerodynamic and Jabba's barge just kind of floats (and is still at least slightly aerodynamic). It's Star Wars, so I can't expect too much realism; I just figured they'd bring out a different imperial ship for atmospheric fights. Several Star Wars video games, most notably the Rogue Squadron games, had TIEs flying in atmosphere so I was used to it
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Yea 4 Leones might be overkill, and For a Few Dollars More is probably the best one to drop. Some probably would say it's better than Fistful but I disagree AND it's somewhat similar to the superior The Good the Bad and The Ugly so it might feel a bit redundant when you watch them all.
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Nov 13, 2019 20:42
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Krispy Wafer posted:Speeder bikes are aerodynamic and Jabba's barge just kind of floats (and is still at least slightly aerodynamic). It's Star Wars, so I can't expect too much realism; I just figured they'd bring out a different imperial ship for atmospheric fights. It's a brief shot and I doubt George thought about it all that much, but IIRC in A New Hope when the X-Wings are taking off to attack the Death Star they kinda hover straight up before turning and flying away
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Nov 13, 2019 20:45
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Eh, I like Few Dollars More much more than Fistful. Also, add High Noon to that list bruh.
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Origami Dali posted:Eh, I like Few Dollars More much more than Fistful. In fact, take Rio Bravo off the list and replace it with High Noon. Personally I really enjoy Fistful's more streamlined story. Obviously a lot of that is due to Leone making an adaptation of a story that had already been successful, but most of his other stuff has a tendency to be more meandering.
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Nov 13, 2019 20:47
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I'd probably throw one or both of Winchester '83 and The Naked Spur on there.
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Yeah, I might give More a slight edge but if you're going for a canon list the Red Harvest/Yojimbo/Fistful template shows up everywhere
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Do I have enough Henry Fonda westerns to set up his cast against type appearance in Once Upon a Time in the West? I have no clue what Westerns he was in before that, but I understand it's part of the hook.
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He's in My Darling Clementine, which should be enough, but I wouldn't sweat it in any case. It's a masterpiece whether you have that context or not
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Nov 13, 2019 21:03
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Maybe it's too modern but The Assasination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford is phenomenal in my book.
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I've never seen it but I've heard it's good and would like to watch it some time. I kind of thought that that, once we'd watched through to Unforgiven, we'd be prepared to watch on our own any modern western like that, or Bone Tomahawk, Buster Scruggs, etc. But I'll admit I'm also biased towards wanting to end on Unforgiven, I love it.
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Nov 13, 2019 21:24
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BonoMan posted:Maybe it's too modern but The Assasination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford is phenomenal in my book. Very, very good film. Agreed.
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Jack B Nimble posted:I've never seen it but I've heard it's good and would like to watch it some time. I kind of thought that that, once we'd watched through to Unforgiven, we'd be prepared to watch on our own any modern western like that, or Bone Tomahawk, Buster Scruggs, etc. But I'll admit I'm also biased towards wanting to end on Unforgiven, I love it. And jarmusch's Dead Man, The Quick and the Dead, the True Grit remake, Hostiles, Sisters Brothers, City Slickers
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Seconding Sisters Brothers, thirding Assassination of Jesse James, adding The Proposition.
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feedmyleg posted:Seconding Sisters Brothers, thirding Assassination of Jesse James, adding The Proposition. Ok, if I wanted to add fewer than a half dozen "modern westerns" to show after Unforgiven and Tombstone, dating from the 90s to today, what are the five I absolutely have to have?
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The Good, The Bad, and The Weird is all kinda of great.
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