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zegermans posted:https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1194652537523245057 It's not that it's complicated, it's inconsequential.
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MizPiz posted:It's not that it's complicated, it's inconsequential.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:26
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of all of the many crimes trump has done in office, blatantly profiting off his presidency, why are they focusing on a loving phone call to a shithole eastern european country i swear, the entire spat with russia is entirely because ukraine thinks it's a real country when it clearly isn't
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Nov 13, 2019 19:27
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if the Democrats were really the Resistance they would impeach Trump for giving weapons to Ukraine in the first place
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Nov 13, 2019 19:28
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Atrocious Joe posted:if the Democrats were really the Resistance they would impeach Trump for giving weapons to Ukraine in the first place it's like this  but all of the letters are the times Trump said something mean on the TV
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Nov 13, 2019 19:31
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Atrocious Joe posted:if the Democrats were really the Resistance they would impeach Trump for giving weapons to Ukraine in the first place or for having his name on giant buildings everywhere and charging his secret service detail for golf carts at his own clubs and poo poo they made jimmy carter give up his peanut farm, that should be a slam dunk lol
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Nov 13, 2019 19:37
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MizPiz posted:It's not that it's complicated, it's inconsequential. imo the complicated part is getting GOP senators to vote Trump out over something completely inconsequential to their voters except in how it pertains to sleepy joe
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Nov 13, 2019 19:40
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they don't need to successfully impeach him, just to publicly poo poo on him and force republicans to defend it and smear it all over themselves too instead of just rolling over and peeing a lil like them seem to actually want to remember, republicans came out p far ahead of their failed impeachment of clinton - it won them congress and then the presidency
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Nov 13, 2019 19:43
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MizPiz posted:It's not that it's complicated, it's inconsequential. there are impeachment hearings on the TV on all channels today
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Nov 13, 2019 19:47
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:remember, republicans came out p far ahead of their failed impeachment of clinton - it won them congress and then the presidency
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Nov 13, 2019 19:49
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zegermans posted:there are impeachment hearings on the TV on all channels today The media is usually fascinated by inconsequential things. Did you already forget about russiagate?
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Nov 13, 2019 19:51
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zegermans posted:there are impeachment hearings on the TV on all channels today The media loves stupid poo poo
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Nov 13, 2019 19:52
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zegermans posted:there are impeachment hearings on the TV on all channels today
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Nov 13, 2019 19:56
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:or for having his name on giant buildings everywhere and charging his secret service detail for golf carts at his own clubs and poo poo I mean, if they want a real reason the dead and disappearing kids in concentration camps on the border is their best one legally and emotionally. lol but Obama helped build those so it's not gonna happen.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:58
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I expect that ignoring half a dozen clear-cut cases of corruption kinda hurts your case when you decide to finally impeach someone for a clear-cut case of corruption.
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i remember one of the early things republicans claimed back p soon after the election was "what will his (adult) children do if trump sells off all of his real estate dealings for a blind trust" lol
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zegermans posted:https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1194652537523245057 they either think this is, or want this to be, russiagate v2. but, given how this has played out already, it's clear that while it may be another russiagate on its merits, it's going to be more consequential. not in the sense that impeachment, even if it passes the house, could end up getting enough votes in the senate to remove trump. but if you don't think this will affect how people vote in 2020 and how the dem primary and then the general election play out you're out of your mind there are so many low-hanging, cynical yet correct leftist takes on this (that still let you own the dems), so the chapo takes on this seem really dumb to me Finicums Wake has issued a correction as of 20:09 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Saying that the Ukraine impeachment stuff is "too complicated" sounds like a lazy and overly simplistic way of saying that Americans will see a messy situation with probable corruption on both sides and just default to their partisan loyalties, especially once the process goes from a TV abstraction to an actual choice between the Republican candidate and the Democratic one.
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Finicums Wake posted:they either think this is, or want this to be, russiagate v2. but, given how this has played out already, it's clear that while it may be another russiagate on its merits, it's going to be more consequential. not in the sense that impeachment, even if it passes the house, could end up getting enough votes in the senate to remove trump. but if you don't think this will affect how people vote in 2020 and how the dem primary and then the general election play out you're out of your mind Will has said that impeachment is a good idea not because it'll work but because it'll piss trump the hell off and energize Democrats who really want to see their party doing something which sounds like the correct take to me Why not? The republicans impeached Clinton and it sure helped their political agenda at the time
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Nov 13, 2019 20:17
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Helsing posted:Saying that the Ukraine impeachment stuff is "too complicated" sounds like a lazy and overly simplistic way of saying that Americans will see a messy situation with probable corruption on both sides and just default to their partisan loyalties, especially once the process goes from a TV abstraction to an actual choice between the Republican candidate and the Democratic one.
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Nov 13, 2019 20:20
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Shipon posted:Will has said that impeachment is a good idea not because it'll work but because it'll piss trump the hell off and energize Democrats who really want to see their party doing something which sounds like the correct take to me that's my base level view impeachment, as well. i just think chapo's missing out by failing to cover all the dumb inside baseball poo poo that goes on between democratic elites about impeachment. i realize a lot of this poo poo is fodder for lib wonks, and so not really within their wheelhouse. still tho, i've found their coverage/commentary to be kind of weak, even considering what chapo is and who it is for
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Nov 13, 2019 20:24
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zegermans posted:there are impeachment hearings on the TV on all channels today thankfully, I am at work and not watching the Democrats piss all over themselves
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Finicums Wake posted:i just think chapo's missing out by failing to cover all the dumb inside baseball poo poo that goes on between democratic elites about impeachment.
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Nov 13, 2019 20:29
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Victory Position posted:thankfully, I am at work and not watching the Democrats piss all over themselves they're actually doing surprisingly well the republicans are in the "whine terrified" mode and the democrats are treating them like tenants trying to make excuses for a late rent check. it's still just spectacle, but it's a lot less embarrassing a spectacle than preceding ones
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Nov 13, 2019 20:43
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zegermans posted:https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1194652537523245057 the joke is that it will mean about as much as the sassy reply gif in the tweet. its all meaningless bullshit because the senate is not going to impeach trump
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i say swears online posted:democrats, the l*n*l*r*s of the political arena please don't use the l-slur on SA tia respect our Property-Owning-Americans (POA) and vote blue no matter who!!
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Nov 13, 2019 21:03
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Finicums Wake posted:that's my base level view impeachment, as well. i just think chapo's missing out by failing to cover all the dumb inside baseball poo poo that goes on between democratic elites about impeachment. i realize a lot of this poo poo is fodder for lib wonks, and so not really within their wheelhouse. still tho, i've found their coverage/commentary to be kind of weak, even considering what chapo is and who it is for Please loving god no
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, that sounds like a real knee-slapper. chapo is at its funniest when they're reacting to clueless self-important wonk poo poo, which perfectly describes intra-dem impeachment debates
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Nov 13, 2019 21:16
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Matt has video-games to direct others to play badly at. Please consider priorities here
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Shipon posted:Will has said that impeachment is a good idea not because it'll work but because it'll piss trump the hell off and energize Democrats who really want to see their party doing something which sounds like the correct take to me Virgil also expressed that he thought it would be good to have for the historical record. Not that it'll work to remove him from office, but that whether he wins or loses, we should have a convincing case of criminality that was put into formal process to impeach. I can't imagine why THIS is the smoking gun compared to his literally hundreds of other crimes, but whatever. The point is that years or decades from now there ought be a clear answer historians can point to as to whether he was a criminal or just maligned, when most living remembrance is gone. As a history lover I can very much understand why that's important, and I also emphatically do not want to listen to the Chapos trying to figure out how to make it interesting.
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Helsing posted:Americans will see a messy situation with probable corruption on both sides and just default to their partisan loyalties, especially once the process goes from a TV abstraction to an actual choice between the Republican candidate and the Democratic one.
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I think part of it is the dissonance between how much the impeachment proceedings matter (or dont) versus how much attention the news gives it. I know I'm pretty fed up with wall-to-wall coverage of some minutiae--as if it mattered!--while the same station doesn't mention anything about actually interesting poo poo like Bolivia or Chile
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zegermans posted:Chapo boys are really bad about pretending this impeachment stuff is too complicated. Teapot Dome was complicated, what Nixon actually did for a coverup was complicated. The president on tape saying "do me a favor and investigate my political opponent or else you don't get your aid" isn't. you're right that it's simple, but once you understand it, why continue talking about it at all? you just become cnn at that point
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i need chapo to cover the impeachment because i only get my news from them and from old star trek deep space nine episodes on netflix
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Shipon posted:of all of the many crimes trump has done in office, blatantly profiting off his presidency, why are they focusing on a loving phone call to a shithole eastern european country My money is on the fact that Trump was threatening to cancel an arms deal. It's all fun and games until the MIC misses a payday
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THS posted:i need chapo to cover the impeachment because i only get my news from them and from old star trek deep space nine episodes on netflix I get my news via the idiots on social media thread, it's great.
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