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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

H110Hawk posted:

Don't miss the dramatic conclusion (Edited to make it less of a wall of text. A lot goes on where he manages to make a sales guy lose his temper at him.)

jesus h 47 grand on a crosstrek

i know he has a decent neggy eggy roll but daaamn

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Rotten Red Rod posted:

I've heard from a bartender friend that Evan Williams is actually really good bourbon despite refusing to raise its prices. I certainly like it better than Jack Daniels, which (supposedly) ripped off its label to confuse people.

Jack Daniels is basically the worst bourbon you can buy at its price point (setting aside weird craft and "alternative aging" stuff that can be even worse).

Evan Williams is great bottom-shelf stuff. My personal recommendation (partially for the kitsch factor) is Mellow Corn. It's made by the same folks as Evan Williams and runs $10 a bottle. It's aged in used barrels rather than fresh (like a Scotch rather than like a bourbon) and is a perfectly good (and GWM) mixer or rocks drink.

Look at that glorious label:



quote:

That’s true, mostly because Jack Daniels isn’t bourbon. Might be thinking of Jim Beam.

Technically, Jack Daniels is a bourbon, they just choose to call it Tennessee Whiskey instead.

Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Nov 13, 2019

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Vox Nihili posted:

It's also worth noting that in that study, they dyed a white wine red and gave it to students explicitly expecting a red wine without any further prompting. Our eyesight is part of how we evaluate pretty much anything, so it wasn't so much proof that people can't taste a difference between red and white wines as it was proof that people rely on a variety of sensory cues and can be tricked. If you blindfolded the students and did not give them a false prompt you would get entirely different (albeit likely still confused) results.

For similar reasons, people think that wines taste better if they believe they're more expensive.


Orvin posted:

That's true, mostly because Jack Daniels isn't bourbon. Might be thinking of Jim Beam.

Jack Daniels is totally bourbon. The marketing claims there's a step where it's filtered through charcoal and calls it "Tennessee whiskey," but legally, it's bourbon.

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Nov 13, 2019

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Ta2_prOnc

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Howzabout paying $82k for a 7 week Harvard course and then making up a bunch of stuff on your resume?

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Rotten Red Rod posted:

I've heard from a bartender friend that Evan Williams is actually really good bourbon despite refusing to raise its prices. I certainly like it better than Jack Daniels, which (supposedly) ripped off its label to confuse people.
Bourbon is my drink and Evan Williams is so much better than anything at its price point or the next couple price points. It's my Tuesday night, drinking with Jesus bourbon.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Vox Nihili posted:

Look at that glorious label:




gently caress that looks awesome

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Rotten Red Rod posted:

I've heard from a bartender friend that Evan Williams is actually really good bourbon despite refusing to raise its prices. I certainly like it better than Jack Daniels, which (supposedly) ripped off its label to confuse people.
Myself and my whiskey-drinking friends pretty much all agree that Evan Williams is the best price:quality deal we have found on the liquor front.

Vox Nihili posted:

Jack Daniels is basically the worst bourbon you can buy at its price point (setting aside weird craft and "alternative aging" stuff that can be even worse).

Evan Williams is great bottom-shelf stuff. My personal recommendation (partially for the kitsch factor) is Mellow Corn. It's made by the same folks as Evan Williams and runs $10 a bottle. It's aged in used barrels rather than fresh (like a Scotch rather than like a bourbon) and is a perfectly good (and GWM) mixer or rocks drink.

Look at that glorious label:


I need to find some of this.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

+1 for Evan. Anything mixed gets it and it's good enough to drink on the rocks. If you haven't tried it get some and be GWM.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
Heaven hill bottled in bond still wins for me. Decent bourbon for $11? Sure. Too bad they took it off the market for a year so they could bring it back at $40. lol.

In South African wine country atm. My favorite wine so far apparently sells for $9, but I’m an uncultured swine.

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

TraderStav posted:

I love the adaptive cruise control on my Volt. I commute 40 miles each way with 90% highway. I just take the far left lane, set distance to car in front of my to max, set the speed and go. I never trust the system entirely so am always paying close attention and will hard break if needed and don't believe the system will in time (it always has so far, but still) but it's been such a life saver.
Have you seen OpenPilot? If not, you should check it out. Well worth the ~$1,100 or so.

howdoesishotweb
Nov 21, 2002

canyoneer posted:

Howzabout paying $82k for a 7 week Harvard course and then making up a bunch of stuff on your resume?

quote:

She earns a six-figure salary in a bureau with a $6 million budget

Funny but GWM? Cheaper than 4 years at an Ivy like a lot of those dopes, ending up in a prestigious sounding, long-titled but most likely bullshit position in a presidential administration. I bet she pivots into some sweet private position too.

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004

howdoesishotweb posted:

Funny but GWM? Cheaper than 4 years at an Ivy like a lot of those dopes, ending up in a prestigious sounding, long-titled but most likely bullshit position in a presidential administration. I bet she pivots into some sweet private position too.

Considering almost everything about her is a lie I doubt she'll land on her feet at all. You can gently caress with the government but when you gently caress with the IRS, that's when you're in trouble!!! LOL!!!

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

cage-free egghead posted:

Considering almost everything about her is a lie I doubt she'll land on her feet at all. You can gently caress with the government but when you gently caress with the IRS, that's when you're in trouble!!! LOL!!!

I'm certain she'll be just as unfortunate as every other grifter crawling to this administration.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Her name and connections got her to where she is. As long as she's not grossly incompetent, she'll be on easy street going forward. Now that she has this REAL thing on her resume that'll be more than enough to put her pretty high up in any sort of organization who would value that sort of thing (lobby groups, PACs/political non-profits, campaign staff, etc.).

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Aren't their government employment rules she's probably violated that will end her public service career like a record scratch? I get that she's a grifter in a sea of grifters, but federal bureaucracy is not easily circumvented.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





GWM is buying a cheap 2L oak cask and aging your rot gut whisky for a few months and making it drinkable.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Krispy Wafer posted:

Aren't their government employment rules she's probably violated that will end her public service career like a record scratch? I get that she's a grifter in a sea of grifters, but federal bureaucracy is not easily circumvented.

Being a bureaucrat isn't the end goal here

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

George H.W. oval office posted:

GWM is buying a cheap 2L oak cask and aging your rot gut whisky for a few months and making it drinkable.

I was anesthetizing this guy who makes Midwestern wine the other day. Oh, cool, I said, what kind of grapes are you using?

"Oh it's this really neat blend of cabernet grapes and concord grapes."

Oh like grape juice?

"Yeah it makes a really sweet red!"

Oh... And, um, how are you aging that? Oak casks?

"Well no we put oak chips in with it though!"

:yum:

Glad I don't drink anymore.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you


a twist on an old favorite

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

canyoneer posted:



a twist on an old favorite

I love people that complain about the multitude of streaming services like "just watch less television and pay for what you want" isn't a valid strategy.

NO I HAVE TO CONSUME ALL THE CONTENT.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

canyoneer posted:



a twist on an old favorite

Apparently ASMR is a thing. Looks like it is free on YouTube.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

spwrozek posted:

Apparently ASMR is a thing. Looks like it is free on YouTube.

phtt "support the content creators!", I hiss-whisper into your ear

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
I mean, the problem is that they're all charging an assload for no real good reason other than they can. Netflix was doing great until everyone started pulling their content in favor of their own streaming platform. They all wanted to copy that delivery method, but with JUST their content, and then they charged half as much.

So now to get the same as what Netflix offered, you have to have 4-5 different subscriptions that add up to WAY more.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

I was anesthetizing this guy who makes Midwestern wine the other day. Oh, cool, I said, what kind of grapes are you using?

"Oh it's this really neat blend of cabernet grapes and concord grapes."

Oh like grape juice?

"Yeah it makes a really sweet red!"

Oh... And, um, how are you aging that? Oak casks?

"Well no we put oak chips in with it though!"

:yum:

Glad I don't drink anymore.

Most wine never sees a barrel.

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry

spwrozek posted:

Apparently ASMR is a thing. Looks like it is free on YouTube.

ASMR on Youtube = softcore porn with clothes on. ASMR on Patreon = softcore porn but with titties.

Elysium
Aug 21, 2003
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

DaveSauce posted:

So now to get the same as what Netflix offered, you have to have 4-5 different subscriptions that add up to WAY more.

Right, the issue isn't that you NEED to watch everything available and thus have to subscribe to all the things, it's that if you were happily watching 5 shows and paying $15 to stream it through one service, now each of those shows is on it's own streaming provider and each one costs $10, so to enjoy the same level of service you were already being provided (actually worse because of switching apps) it will now cost $50 instead of $15.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

klafbang posted:

ASMR on Youtube = softcore porn with clothes on. ASMR on Patreon = softcore porn but with titties.

I definitely did not click on any of anything. Haha.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

spwrozek posted:

Apparently ASMR is a thing. Looks like it is free on YouTube.

The good stuff isn't free.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Residency Evil posted:

Heaven hill bottled in bond still wins for me.

BiB is GWM in general.

For non-drinkers: In the late 1800s it became recognized that there was so much adulterated crap being sold passing itself off as whiskey that Something Must Be Done. That something was the first food-safety law in the US, the 1897 Bottled-In-Bond Act, is basically the full might and power of the Federal Government being devoted to making sure your whiskey won't make you go blind. Whiskey labeled as BiB must come from a single distiller, at a single distillery, during a single season. This is markedly unlike a lot of whiskeys (a lot of brands just use spirits distilled by MGP in Indiana and stick a new label on it). Then it's got to be aged for 4 years in a Federally-bonded warehouse, and bottled at 50 proof (as opposed to 40 for most whiskeys). Prohibition led to the closure of a lot of the distillers and the warehouses, so after it was repealed BIB gained a reputation as low-quality bottom-shelf plonk.

But a lot of bonded whiskeys are a really good product at a really low price. The Evan Williams bonded is excellent, just excellent, and is under $20 even here in PA with our liquor taxes and state monopoly. Old Grandad, Old Overholt rye, Rittenhouse rye, all are great and cheap. If you go up to the $40-50 range you can get things that are truly wonderful, like Taylor Small Batch.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
I have to drive 1000 miles to find a bottle of Mellow Corn.

Liquor distribution zones are so weird.

Volmarias posted:

Being a bureaucrat isn't the end goal here

No, it was a stepping stone for her, but she still got caught and the system operates in such a way that she'll likely be out of a job by the end of the week. Instead of building a kick rear end resume and faking it until she made it, any future employer is going to get one heck of a search result when Googling her name. She got caught because she was particularly brazen in her grift (i.e. cover of Time magazine), but now expect a few more recent government hires to go down as everyone starts double checking resumes.

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

I was anesthetizing this guy who makes Midwestern wine the other day. Oh, cool, I said, what kind of grapes are you using?

"Oh it's this really neat blend of cabernet grapes and concord grapes."

Oh like grape juice?

"Yeah it makes a really sweet red!"

Oh... And, um, how are you aging that? Oak casks?

"Well no we put oak chips in with it though!"

:yum:

Glad I don't drink anymore.

Did you bring him back?

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:


Re: winechat - Somm was a good documentary. . The best use of their ability to exhaustively describe liquids is getting sommeliers to drink malort, though.

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

I was anesthetizing this guy who makes Midwestern wine the other day. Oh, cool, I said, what kind of grapes are you using?

"Oh it's this really neat blend of cabernet grapes and concord grapes."

Oh like grape juice?

"Yeah it makes a really sweet red!"

Oh... And, um, how are you aging that? Oak casks?

"Well no we put oak chips in with it though!"

:yum:

Glad I don't drink anymore.

This sounds like MIssouri wine country talk, which is absolutely GWM if your goal is to get very drunk but don’t want to taste the alcohol.

Boxman fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Nov 13, 2019

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Krispy Wafer posted:

No, it was a stepping stone for her, but she still got caught and the system operates in such a way that she'll likely be out of a job by the end of the week. Instead of building a kick rear end resume and faking it until she made it, any future employer is going to get one heck of a search result when Googling her name. She got caught because she was particularly brazen in her grift (i.e. cover of Time magazine), but now expect a few more recent government hires to go down as everyone starts double checking resumes.

This has been happening all over for the last few years and these people are only getting caught and removed because they're getting nominated for positions that require Senate confirmation and someone bothered to even glance at the resume. If we didn't live in this timeline, yes, that would be the process. The only reason she would be out of a job even now is because now there's a news article and it's embarrassing, but if she can stick through until the news cycle drops her I get the strange feeling that she'll be just fine.

meanolmrcloud
Apr 5, 2004

rock out with your stock out

A friend of mine is the ceo of the company that makes Glyph, the worlds first molecular whiskey, which is a Silicon Valley way of saying they add flavoring to grain alcohol. Their intention was to copy the worlds great liquors on a like spectrographic basis, reproduce the flavor exactly, and make them affordable, but I guess the margins are better just putting out their own blend. to be legally distributed as whiskey, they actually have to put 3% actual whiskey in it.

wilderthanmild
Jun 21, 2010

Posting shit




Grimey Drawer
I can't imagine such a process would be possible to make cheap enough to really count as "affordable". I mean, you might be able to make a perfect copy of some $1000 scotch and sell it for cheaper than that, but how much of a market is there for that? I imagine making perfect copies of liquor via chemistry is harder and more expensive than even making too shelf liquor.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



wilderthanmild posted:

I can't imagine such a process would be possible to make cheap enough to really count as "affordable". I mean, you might be able to make a perfect copy of some $1000 scotch and sell it for cheaper than that, but how much of a market is there for that? I imagine making perfect copies of liquor via chemistry is harder and more expensive than even making too shelf liquor.

Inputs would be cheap, the big cost would be the one time analysis and process development up front. Once you have that recipe, slam out the product forever at a modest markup. You’ll face similar market forces as the artificial/natural gemstone market does.

howdoesishotweb
Nov 21, 2002

wilderthanmild posted:

I can't imagine such a process would be possible to make cheap enough to really count as "affordable". I mean, you might be able to make a perfect copy of some $1000 scotch and sell it for cheaper than that, but how much of a market is there for that? I imagine making perfect copies of liquor via chemistry is harder and more expensive than even making too shelf liquor.

Imagine my surprise when lab grown diamonds were just as expensive as, or more than, the real thing!

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.

Midjack posted:

Inputs would be cheap, the big cost would be the one time analysis and process development up front. Once you have that recipe, slam out the product forever at a modest markup. You’ll face similar market forces as the artificial/natural gemstone market does.

I think the hard part is trying to replicate the chemical make-up using food-grade additives/flavorings. I don't expect that this is anywhere remotely as simple as it sounds.

edit:

https://fortune.com/2019/05/25/endless-west-glyph-engineered-whiskey/

So they do basically what I expect. They "analyze" the whiskey and then use a bunch of additives/flavorings to APPROXIMATE what they're going for. :10bux: they use their "analysis" to get a first pass and then taste-test and fine tune it. Hint: whiskey blends do a similar process, except they skip the analysis and go straight to tasting/mixing.

DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Nov 13, 2019

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

wilderthanmild posted:

I can't imagine such a process would be possible to make cheap enough to really count as "affordable". I mean, you might be able to make a perfect copy of some $1000 scotch and sell it for cheaper than that, but how much of a market is there for that? I imagine making perfect copies of liquor via chemistry is harder and more expensive than even making too shelf liquor.

A bunch of companies are trying to do this and you're pretty much spot on in terms of the difficulty, getting it right is borderline impossible. Most of the stuff these operations have put out is monstrously bad and they still have the audacity to charge more for it than the price of a bottle of, say, Mellow Corn.

Buying any of that stuff today: very BWM. Maybe someday they'll figure it out.

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