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ReidRansom posted:OK that's a new one to me. Democrats worked with Ukraine to influence 2016 against Trump?? It's literally a Qanon thing.
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I'll accept that as a tax. Well played. This is going to be a hell of a fortnight if they maintain this clowncar energy.
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OAquinas posted:I'll accept that as a tax. Well played. Nunes can't even maintain it through a single hearing.
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Nov 13, 2019 21:36
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:I'm pretty happy with how well the dems have been keeping the whistle-blowers identity a secret. Whoever they are, I hope the cons never get them murdered. Isn't stopping the crazies like Alex Jones from putting that person's name out there.
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ReidRansom posted:OK that's a new one to me. Democrats worked with Ukraine to influence 2016 against Trump?? A bunch of Ukranian politicians aligned with Poroshenko savaged Trump in the candidate phase of the 2016 election, something a lot of politicians in US allies did, on written/online platforms. The republicans are trying to tie the black ledger which led to Manafort's downfall to a Democratic hit job against Trump to this narrative to paint a picture of Ukraine interfering in the elections in Hillary's favor.
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Nov 13, 2019 21:37
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:I'm pretty happy with how well the dems have been keeping the whistle-blowers identity a secret. Whoever they are, I hope the cons never get them murdered. yeah but doesnt trump know it was the russians because you know the whole muellr thing.
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evilweasel posted:What's the motion that the republican lawyer wants to make? I WANNA YELL AT THE WHISTLEBLOWER, I believe
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evilweasel posted:What's the motion that the republican lawyer wants to make? To add op Ed articles from the nyt about Obama into the record.
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ReidRansom posted:OK that's a new one to me. Democrats worked with Ukraine to influence 2016 against Trump?? There isn't any basis for it. There was consternation in Ukraine over Candidate Trump's close ties to Manafort (who was close to former President Yanukovych) and Russia which led to them reaching out to the Clinton campaign, but it's not remotely comparable to Russia's actions with regards to the 2016 election.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah but doesnt trump know it was the russians because you know the whole muellr thing. Come on now 
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queeb posted:To add op Ed articles from the nyt about Obama into the record. Apparently Taylor was involved with the op Ed in regards to Ukrainian assistance at the time being not enough. Something something Obama
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cochise posted:Apparently Taylor was involved with the op Ed in regards to Ukrainian assistance at the time being not enough. Something something Obama Yeah they've been digging up articles and stuff, some of which were authored by Taylor and possibly Kent. For reasons.
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Nov 13, 2019 21:41
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cochise posted:Apparently Taylor was involved with the op Ed in regards to Ukrainian assistance at the time being not enough. Something something Obama it's a really dumb tactic by republicans as it shows that he's not some liberal communist scum
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oxsnard posted:it's a really dumb tactic by republicans as it shows that he's not some liberal communist scum Yeah if anything it makes him look nonpartisan and puts into perspective his concerns about the aid being held up.
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Mitch Mcconnel does not give a single gently caress about Trump if it looks like these proceedings are going to hurt gop chances in 2020 (and they are). The damning thing for conservatives with this is that, while Trump is popular with a portion of their base 15% of Rs already think Trump should be impeached. They don't have a path to winning much of anything if that much of their base refuses to pull the lever for them. Plus, defending Trump now means he becomes your personal albatross should be commit any other illegal act between now and when he leaves office. This is the main reason outside of Graham, almost no one in the senate has come out in his defense at all. Removal from office is already 49 support/46 object Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 21:43
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Vox Nihili posted:That's an artifact of the top-two "jungle" primary system California uses. Something like 12 republicans ran for that seat, they just didn't finish in the top two in the primary (in part because they heavily split the GOP vote). You need actual human beings who are willing to debase themselves and run these campaigns. Republicans can make that happen even in the bluest states because their constituents are insane, and you can easily find an insane person to run in Vermont against Bernie or whatever.
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Piell posted:I WANNA YELL AT THE WHISTLEBLOWER, I believe yeah this, THE REAL PERSON WE NEED TO SUBPOENA IS THE WHISTLEBLOWER
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Mitch Mcconnel does not give a single gently caress about Trump if it looks like these proceedings are going to hurt gop chances in 2020 (and they are). The damning thing for conservatives with this is that, while Trump is popular with a portion of their base 15% of Rs already think Trump should be impeached. They don't have a path to winning much of anything if that much of their base refuses to pull the lever for them. McConnell has the advantage that he can bring Trump down all while claiming "his role as Majority Leader / oath / the law requires that he do so" and say that he took no pleasure in it, etc.
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theflyingorc posted:You need actual human beings who are willing to debase themselves and run these campaigns. Running statewide campaigns also requires a ton of money and time, effectively giving up a year of your life. Not to mention that losing actively harms your chances of winning in the future.
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C-Span feed has reporters questioning one of the R-Reps, and the argument is "people were yawning, these are supposed to be the most compelling witnesses," yada yada. Seems they're really trying to hype these as boring. EDIT: HAHAHA "It's hard when these two witnesses admit to never talking to Trump" "So are you going to ask Trump to allow first-hand witnesses to testify" "...well"
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DarkHorse posted:C-Span feed has reporters questioning one of the R-Reps, and the argument is "people were yawning, these are supposed to be the most compelling witnesses," yada yada. ATTENTION AMERICANS PLEASE DO NOT TURN ON YOUR TVS TO SEE EVIDENCE OF THE PRESIDENTS CRIMES
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Mitch Mcconnel does not give a single gently caress about Trump if it looks like these proceedings are going to hurt gop chances in 2020 (and they are). The damning thing for conservatives with this is that, while Trump is popular with a portion of their base 15% of Rs already think Trump should be impeached. They don't have a path to winning much of anything if that much of their base refuses to pull the lever for them. I think McConnell's plan is to let the Republicans vote however they feel will best save their seat. For most of them, their bigger danger is getting primaried, and that's that.
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DarkHorse posted:Seems they're really trying to hype these as boring. Yeah that's not much of a defense, but I guess it was enough to sweep the Mueller Report under the carpet, so why not try again?
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:I'm pretty happy with how well the dems have been keeping the whistle-blowers identity a secret. Whoever they are, I hope the cons never get them murdered. There's a name out there in wacko RWM circles, but nobody reputable is repeating or confirming it.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I think McConnell's plan is to let the Republicans vote however they feel will best save their seat. For most of them, their bigger danger is getting primaried, and that's that. Exactly, about a 5% swing in impeachment popularity (much less a 10-15% as is historically the case around impeachment proceedings) changes the calculus completely. Significantly, to keep the potential opinion swing to a low % Trump and house Rs would both need to craft an impeccable message (which they have shown zero capacity for) and then stick to it flawlessly and adaptively (which they also have shown zero capacity for). This scenario is so loving implausible and that's why basically no one in the senate not named Graham is actively defending Trump's chances Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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evilweasel posted:What's the motion that the republican lawyer wants to make? There was some dumb motion he made at the very beginning of today that Schiff put on the table until the witnesses were done. It might have been about calling witnesses the Rs wanted or something? Ah, they just cut back to it, it's to subpoena the whistleblower in closed session. Looks like it failed 13-9.
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Wylie posted:There was some dumb motion he made at the very beginning of today that Schiff put on the table until the witnesses were done. It might have been about calling witnesses the Rs wanted or something? Ah, they just cut back to it, it's to subpoena the whistleblower in closed session. Looks like it failed 13-9. yeah, looks like he wanted to subpoena the whistleblower, Schiff had it delayed until after the witnesses, then they did the recess to have the vote afterwards. Seems like a pretty effective way to shunt it out of most of the reporting of the hearings. The vote seems effectively like a completely separate issue (which it is)
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incidentally, Karina Longworth is the writer and host of one of the best podcasts ever made, "You Must Remember This," in which she goes over the history of lesser known hollywood movies, history, and scandals.
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And her HUAC series was terrific and relevant.
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ummel posted:Headlines from hell world (thx google news) “Republicans go on the offensive”, what’s their strategy, Charge of the Light Brigade?
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Ringo Star Get posted:“Republicans go on the offensive”, what’s their strategy, Charge of the Light Brigade? It’s really that 300 thing innit..except without oily muscles and Persia is the Democrats and..
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Ringo Star Get posted:“Republicans go on the offensive”, what’s their strategy, Charge of the Light Brigade? It’s so in 2035 Fox News can look back on the Republicans and claim they wanted to impeach the Democratic Party president, Donald Trump, for his heinous crimes involving 9/11 and Benghazi, and the Neo-Gilded Age Rich Children can point to the headline as proof.
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Ringo Star Get posted:“Republicans go on the offensive”, what’s their strategy, Charge of the Light Brigade? The Charge of the Light Brigade worked, this is more akin to Pickett's Charge. e: wait no it didn't, let's say both are applicable
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Pickett's Charge I don't know enough GOP reps to try to make a pun name out of that e: and also I was beaten
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