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meanolmrcloud posted:to be legally distributed as whiskey, they actually have to put 3% actual whiskey in it. They did that so it can be classed as a "spirit whiskey." Bourbon whiskey has to be at least 51% corn, rye whiskey has to be at least 51% rye, wheat whiskey has to be at least 51% wheat, and they have to be barrel-aged. Corn whiskey has to be at least 80% corn. They can't call it vodka, because vodka is a neutral spirit without distinctive taste. It can't be grain spirits, because grain spirits have to be barrel-aged. Basically all the other categories have some kind of requirement for aging or ingredient that their product wouldn't fit into, so they add 3% actual whiskey and fit into the spirit whiskey category, which can be whatever the hell you want it to be except for that 3% requirement.
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DaveSauce posted:I think the hard part is trying to replicate the chemical make-up using food-grade additives/flavorings. I don't expect that this is anywhere remotely as simple as it sounds. Yeah I’m not trying to trivialize the startup costs, that will run into tens of millions easily to do it right. If they’re just faking it, and it sounds like they are by that article, then you’re getting a poo poo product with a lab coat markup.
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they use their "analysis" to get a first pass and then taste-test and fine tune it. Hint: whiskey blends do a similar process, except they skip the analysis and go straight to tasting/mixing.
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Ranidas posted:For a great documentary on faking high end wine, check out "Sour Grapes" on Netflix. I nominate it for BWM thread movie night.
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Nov 13, 2019 21:15
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Residency Evil posted:I nominate it for BWM thread movie night. Great idea. I also vote for "Betting on Zero".
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Nov 13, 2019 21:28
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Sock The Great posted:Great idea. I also vote for "Betting on Zero". Bad With Money, Good With Movies Gonna add Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room to that list.
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Nov 13, 2019 21:35
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DaveSauce posted:So they do basically what I expect. They "analyze" the whiskey and then use a bunch of additives/flavorings to APPROXIMATE what they're going for. Oh yes, we can detect X, Y, and Z esters and whatevers in the alcohol. Oh, how do we synthesize all these two hundred different esters or whatever other molecules we find in a way that's safe to add to food? Uhhhhhhhhh
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Nov 13, 2019 21:38
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Some of them would be pretty easy, like for Ardbeg you would just light a bunch of trash on fire and then mix in the ashes with ethanol until you get the intended taste and proof (I love Ardbeg)
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Barry posted:Some of them would be pretty easy, like for Ardbeg you would just light a bunch of trash on fire and then mix in the ashes with ethanol until you get the intended taste and proof For all whiskey: sugar, vanilla extract, ground up natural lump charcoal. Scale each up/down depending on which whiskey you're trying to replicate. totalnewbie posted:Oh yes, we can detect X, Y, and Z esters and whatevers in the alcohol. Oh, how do we synthesize all these two hundred different esters or whatever other molecules we find in a way that's safe to add to food? Uhhhhhhhhh yeah honestly if we as a species had the technology to do this, replicating the flavor profile of whiskey would be WAY down on the list of "important things to use the technology for." Though this technology would have solved so many other problems that worrying about how our whiskey tastes might become the great problem of our time.
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Elysium posted:Right, the issue isn't that you NEED to watch everything available and thus have to subscribe to all the things, it's that if you were happily watching 5 shows and paying $15 to stream it through one service, now each of those shows is on it's own streaming provider and each one costs $10, so to enjoy the same level of service you were already being provided (actually worse because of switching apps) it will now cost $50 instead of $15. Might as well
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wilderthanmild posted:I can't imagine such a process would be possible to make cheap enough to really count as "affordable". I mean, you might be able to make a perfect copy of some $1000 scotch and sell it for cheaper than that, but how much of a market is there for that? I imagine making perfect copies of liquor via chemistry is harder and more expensive than even making too shelf liquor. How much of the sales price of a fifth of e.g. thread favorite Evan Williams is the cost to produce? I assume that it is less than a dollar.
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wilderthanmild posted:I mean, you might be able to make a perfect copy of some $1000 scotch and sell it for cheaper than that, but how much of a market is there for that? Not much, especially once people catch on that $1000 scotch is not nearly as good as $60 scotch.
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People who buy $25,000* Macallan 50yr aren't doing it for the taste (even if they claim they are). They're doing it for the prestige and bragging rights to their other rich friends. In my experience, even most people spending more than $60 a bottle for spirits are often doing it for prestige and image. A cheap bottle that promises to be engineered to taste the same may be a novelty, but I doubt you'll steal customers who previously dropped thousands on "similar" bottles. * This was the price when I used to work liquor retail over a decade ago. Looks like it's substantially more now. Our store rarely got a bottle, but a local guy had a standing order to buy any Macallan 50 we got at full retail price, which I believe was $25-30k a bottle at that time for us. BWM: spending the cost of a new car on a single bottle of booze... repeatedly.
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silence_kit posted:How much of the sales price of a fifth of e.g. thread favorite Evan Williams is the cost to produce? I assume that it is less than a dollar. It's definitely more than a dollar. I don't think their margin on entry-level stuff is very big at all. That range is very competitive. A fresh 53-gallon barrel alone (legally required for bourbon production) costs around $250, or about a $1 per bottle. The raw ingredients, warehousing costs, fermenting and distillation costs, and transportation costs likely tack on a few more dollars per bottle. If I had to guess I would say it's maybe $5 per 750 ml bottle to produce a standard, entry-level 4-year bourbon at scale.
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If you're not drinking moonshine, you're not supporting local business.
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silence_kit posted:How much of the sales price of a fifth of e.g. thread favorite Evan Williams is the cost to produce? I assume that it is less than a dollar. The excise tax alone is more than that. For big producers, the tax is $13.50 per proof-gallon, which is a gallon of 100-proof alcohol. Now keep in mind it had to be stored in a warehouse for 2 years, moved around, tasted, blended, etc. The raw ingredients are probably the cheapest part. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Nov 14, 2019 |
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incogneato posted:In my experience, even most people spending more than $60 a bottle for spirits are often doing it for prestige and image. Eh, depends on where you're at. Around here everything is controlled by the state, so if it's not a $20 bottle of mass-market blah booze you will pay an absolute shitload. Around here, $30 gets you pretty awful scotch, and most decent scotches are between $60 and $100. That's where you'll find the popular-but-"affordable" bottles (Balvenie, Lagavulin, Laphroig, etc.).
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Is there a whiskey to try if you're pretty sure you don't like whiskey?
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BonerGhost posted:Is there a whiskey to try if you're pretty sure you don't like whiskey?
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BonerGhost posted:Is there a whiskey to try if you're pretty sure you don't like whiskey? Glenfiddich 12 (Scotch) or Buffalo Trace (Bourbon) are good options in the "gently sweet, clean, inoffensive, and inexpensive" range. If those still taste gross to you then whiskey probably isn't your thing, which is frankly GWM/GWL anyway.
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BonerGhost posted:Is there a whiskey to try if you're pretty sure you don't like whiskey? My girlfriend didn't like whiskey until she had High West Double Rye.
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BonerGhost posted:Is there a whiskey to try if you're pretty sure you don't like whiskey? Only one whiskey I know of that's worthy of a Blue Ribbon  Enhance! 
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Also, folks should come post in the whiskey thread in Goons With Spoons, whether you're a fan or just have a passing interest and want recommendations. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3441478&pagenumber=213&perpage=40
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All this flavoring poo poo is known and there's a mechanical factory process to pump them out, it's just proprietary knowledge of Kraft and General Foods and Altria and Inbev and poo poo making orange juice sugar smacks cigarettes and Budweiser and these peeps don't know what they're doing The big corp trick is to be completely ok with it tasting artificial to a fine palate as long as it gets people to consume more bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Nov 14, 2019 |
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ASMR is that thing where barely legal smoke shows whisper at you and tap their fingers on random poo poo they find in their bedrooms, right? You can can see their tits? Edit: Leaving that in.
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"Should I buy a duplex? posted:So backstory, I(21M) have been out of college for 7 months and have been wanting to move out of my parents house. I take home roughly 1k/week (OT of course) on the average. Being fresh out of college, I do not have much money to be able to do something like buying a house, let alone a duplex.
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incogneato posted:BWM: spending the cost of a new car on a single bottle of booze... repeatedly. Counterpoint: if you buy a $25k bottle of booze, you have a bottle of booze, but if you lease a $25k car, at the end of the lease you have nothing at all.
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incogneato posted:People who buy $25,000* Macallan 50yr aren't doing it for the taste (even if they claim they are). They're doing it for the prestige and bragging rights to their other rich friends. He drove a non-AMG S class like a peasant for some reason.
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:ASMR is that thing where barely legal smoke shows whisper at you and tap their fingers on random poo poo they find in their bedrooms, right? You can can see their tits? (the BWM comes when they start a Patreon...)
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Technically there's a real phenomenon there, but yes, it's turned into creepo borderline-porn. Is the BWM starting the Patreon though? There’s a sucker born every minute, and all.
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I want to hate on it, but buying a duplex and renting out the other half is a pretty good deal if you can swing it. I'm not sure if 'buddies from high school home for the summer' is a good occupant choice though.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I want to hate on it, but buying a duplex and renting out the other half is a pretty good deal if you can swing it. It's a Really Bad Idea if you're new to being a landlord and don't have the support of someone close to you who is very experienced and willing to help you navigate the minefield. You know what's the only thing worse than tenants who don't pay, take months to evict and destroy the place while the clock runs down on eviction? Tenants who don't pay, take months to evict and destroy the place while the clock runs down on eviction who live right on the other side of a thin wall from you. That's besides the fact that poo poo breaks, maintenance needs done, and being a landlord of even one tenant is a lot of work. You have to do most of the work yourself because if you hire it out then you make no money on (rent minus loans/taxes) or quite probably take a loss. And that's assuming a decent tenant. Buying a duplex almost entirely on a mortgage and loaning out half of it when you have no idea what you're doing is not just BWM but also BWL. Dude needs to talk to someone who's been doing the landlord thing for decades and get some solid advice, and then follow it. And if he can't/won't do basic carpentry/plumbing/etc. himself then forget it.
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's a Really Bad Idea if you're new to being a landlord and don't have the support of someone close to you who is very experienced and willing to help you navigate the minefield. You know what's the only thing worse than tenants who don't pay, take months to evict and destroy the place while the clock runs down on eviction? I'm assuming his construction company owning father would at least give him a small benefit in regards to maintenance since he has skin in the game. If he's not getting after-the-sale support from his family then he's going to have some pain. But yeah, tenant issues are no fun. My sister-in-law owned a large ramshackle building with about 10 apartments. Utilities were included and in 2005 heating oil prices went through the roof. In New England. In an old building with lots of gaps, lovely insulation, and single pane glass. No amount of 'doing your own maintenance' or careful planning is going to compensate for that kind of hit.
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gvibes posted:I was sitting in line at Binny’s behind a dude with a $10k magnum of champagne. He was holding his credit card out right in front of me the entire time and it turned out it was this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintin_E._Primo_III so I think he could afford it. Memorize the numbers next time, obviously.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Technically there's a real phenomenon there, but yes, it's turned into creepo borderline-porn. I knew about ASMR as the listening-to-whispering thing, but I didn't know it had turned into this. As with all things that turn into creepo borderline-porn though, it doesn't really surprise me. What I do find weird about it (and other things like it) though, is that there is such a huge market for the porn version of it. The world we live in has more easily available free smut than ever, you can watch incredibly attractive people do all kinds of nasty stuff uncensored and in full HD, and yet people are paying massive quantities of cash to watch and hear a girl whispering stuff while showing a bit of cleavage. Is it the parasocial relationship? Or is it the weird urge people have to consume a lovely softcore porn version of their medium of choice over consuming a high quality version and watching some high quality hardcore porn at another point in time?
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I wonder if you can make being bad with money in to creepy borderline porn don't click here, nothing to see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad6bpsQmV5Q
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:ASMR is that thing where barely legal smoke shows whisper at you and tap their fingers on random poo poo they find in their bedrooms, right? You can can see their tits? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68JQtxTzjqc
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Apparently, the same joke is going around with e-girls instead of ASMR. E-girls are teenagers dressing up as video game characters and pretending that gamers have something interesting to say. I gave up finding it because you cannot search for that poo poo without having to look at Belle Delphine's dumb anime face. I did find this, though 
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