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Shbobdb posted:Lol if you think Trump is getting impeached. No way Pelosi does that. There will be a big dog and pony show and then it will be close to Election so Pelosi will let the people decide. And the people will elect Trump. Trump's getting impeached. I don't expect the GOP senate to convict him, but the impeachment itself I think is guaranteed. Edit: Knock on wood, I don't like to make definite predictions after 2016, but this is what I expect.
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After 2016, I feel very confident in my prediction.
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Nov 13, 2019 21:04
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People are still like "Oh Trump will totally lose this time because he didn't keep his promises"
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Jurgan posted:Trump's getting impeached. I don't expect the GOP senate to convict him, but the impeachment itself I think is guaranteed. Yeah. Its not guaranteed and honestly its probably not even likely. Do you not remember the last 20 or so nothingburgers that everyone said would cause him to be impeached?
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Zwabu posted:Right, but the post I was responding to (and there have been others on these forums making a similar claim) is that Democrats would use the power of the pardon to pardon Trump. There's no universe where that makes any sense for even the most cowardly politically triangulating Democrat to do. They may not pardon him but they'll tell the DoJ not to pursue it. How many people went to jail over torture and warcrimes from the Bush years
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Eschenique posted:People are still like "Oh Trump will totally lose this time because he didn't keep his promises" Like the man has kept every promise he has to his base. He put 2 reactionaries on the supreme court, packed the lower courts with even more hardline conservatives, cut taxes bigly, instructed the government to look the other way when a cop blows a black kids head off, and started putting the minorities into camps. He is their dream president and they will crawl through hell to vote for him again
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Feldegast42 posted:Like the man has kept every promise he has to his base. He put 2 reactionaries on the supreme court, packed the lower courts with even more hardline conservatives, cut taxes bigly, instructed the government to look the other way when a cop blows a black kids head off, and started putting the minorities into camps. He is their dream president and they will crawl through hell to vote for him again I'm not making a prediction that he'll get impeached and his base is insane and fanatic, but the Alt Right is currently infighting because Trump can't keep the right promises. Trump's support among Republicans recently dropped lower than it ever has been but it's clear Trump isn't as bullet proof as everyone thinks, he can bleed.
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Feldegast42 posted:Like the man has kept every promise he has to his base. He put 2 reactionaries on the supreme court, packed the lower courts with even more hardline conservatives, cut taxes bigly, instructed the government to look the other way when a cop blows a black kids head off, and started putting the minorities into camps. He is their dream president and they will crawl through hell to vote for him again Looking at British politics. Huge swathes of poor will vote for a massive racist against their own interests if it means dark people have it even worse.
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vincentpricesboner posted:Yeah. Its not guaranteed and honestly its probably not even likely. Do you not remember the last 20 or so nothingburgers that everyone said would cause him to be impeached? Did any of those have a formal impeachment inquiry that was approved by over 230 house members? Feldegast42 posted:Like the man has kept every promise he has to his base. He put 2 reactionaries on the supreme court, packed the lower courts with even more hardline conservatives, cut taxes bigly, instructed the government to look the other way when a cop blows a black kids head off, and started putting the minorities into camps. He is their dream president and they will crawl through hell to vote for him again What about the wall? I know they’ll find a way to excuse it, but you can’t say he kept that promise when the thing hasn’t been built. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 23:11
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You can't impeach a sitting president in his last year in office!
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I have faith that in this sin-cursed world of ours, even if he gets removed from office he won’t go to jail. The case will drag out for so long that his heart will finally quit and everyone will say “oh well”
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How much of a compromise are we talking here? 3/5 or there-abouts?
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Meanwhile, on the President and Freep's favorite news program, https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1194774142790381573
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Pirate Radar posted:Matt’s lost me here. The problem with this theory is that a.) they already do that (hi, Joe Manchin) b.) Fox News and the AM radio dumpster will call them a Communist baby murderer anyway c.) there is no issue more important to conservatives right now than blindly supporting Donald Trump* * except maybe loving with their health care. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Nov 14, 2019 |
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Nov 14, 2019 05:04
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'conservative cultural views' = abortion, hth
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:'conservative cultural views' = abortion, hth
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Jurgan posted:What about the wall? I know they’ll find a way to excuse it, but you can’t say he kept that promise when the thing hasn’t been built. Then why are people constantly talking about Trumps Wall in present tense then all over the media? Even then he could honestly (for the first time in his life) argue that he fought for the wall and got some of it built but Democrats fought him to delay the rest.
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Eschenique posted:Then why are people constantly talking about Trumps Wall in present tense then all over the media? Well, yeah, but his whole campaign was about being the consummate deal-maker who knew how to get things done.
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Shbobdb posted:Lol if you think Trump is getting impeached. No way Pelosi does that. There will be a big dog and pony show and then it will be close to Election so Pelosi will let the people decide. And the people will elect Trump. I think they've gone too far for that at this point, their rhetoric is too solemn and direct to pull up without committing suicide in 2020. It is the Democrats so it's possible, but I think they made the decision to impeach the day that transcript came out, and the rest of this is PR and trying to put as much pressure as possible on endangered GOP senators. Stopping now is going to wreck Dem's 2020 turnout even while stoking the right's fire to all show up. Jurgan posted:What about the wall? I know they’ll find a way to excuse it, but you can’t say he kept that promise when the thing hasn’t been built. Well, he's been telling the people at his rallies that it's under construction for two plus years now and they believe him. Fox isn't gonna tell them it's replacement fencing, and he's gotten the pictures of backhoes and new wall being installed, that's all he needs. Obviously actually building new wall would be ideal, but they don't let quibbles like that get in the way of good propaganda.
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“Yeah he’s a scumbag, but he gets things done, have you seen the economy?” - A reasonable person I know. There’s no way he doesn’t get re-elected.
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GutBomb posted:“Yeah he’s a scumbag, but he gets things done, have you seen the economy?” - A reasonable person I know. gently caress me. That's one of the things that always boils my piss. The economy is doing all right more despite any of his actions than because of them. When the bill for the tax cuts and other fuckery comes due a Democrat will be in charge, depending on the extent of the problem will more or less unfuck everything. Since the economy will have run into trouble on the Dems watch the stupid myth of conservative competence will be maintained. In the UK the conservatives have been running the country into the ground for a decade but they still seen as the economic safe pair of hands. Propaganda support from the monied classes who like their low taxes and the poors being kept in their place helps in each case as well of course.
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I seem to remember the audience had a scripted response in the rallies when DT said: "We're gonna build a wall..." and then this fucker went and shut down the loving government to get money for it. Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact that he repeatedly said Mexico would pay for it? Because he doesn't care, his supporters don't care and everyone else knew it was bullshit from the start so what's the point of bringing up the wall when he'll just tweet out some photoshops and Fox will broadcast them during prime time.
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greazeball posted:I seem to remember the audience had a scripted response in the rallies when DT said: "We're gonna build a wall..." and then this fucker went and shut down the loving government to get money for it. Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact that he repeatedly said Mexico would pay for it? Because he doesn't care, his supporters don't care and everyone else knew it was bullshit from the start so what's the point of bringing up the wall when he'll just tweet out some photoshops and Fox will broadcast them during prime time. The wall is a dog whistle and what his government has achieved is the near total dismantlement of the refugee and asylum system. He might not have managed to build a physical wall but the wall of institutions, laws, and words has come up without much of a fight from congress etc. The Democrats have repeatedly backed down from fighting these effective measures as long as they could be seen to be @winning@ on the wall which would generally do gently caress all.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:'conservative cultural views' = abortion, hth OneEightHundred posted:+ deporting Hispanics. + oppressing trans people
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McGlockenshire posted:Meanwhile, on the President and Freep's favorite news program, Man, been a while since I heard a genuine Soros blast. Guess now I know why he's been so quiet; talking over the FBI and the state department. Still haven't received my Soros checks for posting his bidding on this forum though.
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If Mark Blyth is in any way correct (as he tends to be on these things) then Trump will win again no matter how much the online fash turn on him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwSDszG_HXE
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Venomous posted:If Mark Blyth is in any way correct (as he tends to be on these things) then Trump will win again no matter how much the online fash turn on him: Blyth says Trump will win against Biden. You can then argue online fash and others turning on him is still a factor if Biden fails to win the nomination. e: Also, Blyth says short of Trump starting a war but I think a recession will tank him, too.
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Venomous posted:If Mark Blyth is in any way correct (as he tends to be on these things) then Trump will win again no matter how much the online fash turn on him: Blyth also claims thatt Jeremy Corbyn is a chronic back benches without policies who has no interest in becoming PM. That his interests start and end with killing off the Tory party to spite Thatcher. He also claims that capitalism will solve climate change eventually because when the effects of climate change becomes so bad that it hurts profits. Capitalism will rally its immense powers and fix climate change. So we don't really have to worry about it now. He's a boughie shill and gets the wall.
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Eschenique posted:Blyth also claims thatt Jeremy Corbyn is a chronic back benches without policies who has no interest in becoming PM. That his interests start and end with killing off the Tory party to spite Thatcher. That's disappointing to discover about him, killing off the Tory party to spite Thatcher sounds like a stellar platform/policy to me.
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Apparently Fox really cares about Popeye's now. I don't know if it's because they represent a threat to the chick-fil-a ethnostate, they found a higher pitched dogwhistle for Breitbart's old "black crime" section, or what though.
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Eschenique posted:Blyth also claims thatt Jeremy Corbyn is a chronic back benches without policies who has no interest in becoming PM. That his interests start and end with killing off the Tory party to spite Thatcher. His point about the climate change thing is that it has to solve it or else the world effectively ends so it’s the only framework for improving the world economy that’s worth considering. That was in response to someone asking him what governments could do to realign the economy in a way that actually improves things vs the past decades of neoliberal entropy. It’s literally the only direction worth considering (under a capitalist framework but that was the point of the question)
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PIZZA.BAT posted:His point about the climate change thing is that it has to solve it or else the world effectively ends so it’s the only framework for improving the world economy that’s worth considering. That was in response to someone asking him what governments could do to realign the economy in a way that actually improves things vs the past decades of neoliberal entropy. It’s literally the only direction worth considering (under a capitalist framework but that was the point of the question) That's really not the impression I got https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGuaoARJYU0&t=4325s He compares fixing climate change to a good investment where not investing means everyone dies. So obviously capital will invest in it. Except that it's not like that. It's more like "invest now or your great, great, grandchildren dies" and I don't credit capital with that kind of long term thinking.
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