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so it looks like the coup government has pretty much abandoned most of La Paz to the protesters for today, there were thousands of marchers on the streets but few major clashes with the police and no real attempt to contain or disperse them. the troops are definitely out in large numbers but they're just sort of standing around behind the concrete barriers they're throwing up everywhere. that may change later in the evening, especially when the crowds start to thin out and the police are able to achieve local numerical superiority in a few places, but so far they seem to be focusing on defending a few key intersections and important state infrastructure like the presidential palace. also they've literally erected walls around the presidential palace and the congressional building, big ol' makeshift walls of sheet metal and plywood topped with barbed wire. the coup happened less than a week ago and they've already gone from triumphantly proclaiming victory to cowering in fortified compounds while mobs gather outside. the coup plotters still have most of the guns and therefore most of the power, and could easily still pull off a win, but right now in the short term they look confused and uncertain and weak. it's been repeatedly said already, but I think they massively misjudged exactly how much popular support Evo and MAS actually have, and did not go into this prepared to put down an uprising literal days after taking power. they are not acting decisively.
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Nov 15, 2019 01:07
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https://twitter.com/measure7x/status/1194996975013380096 Evo Morales: I don't want no beef Mister Bates posted:so it looks like the coup government has pretty much abandoned most of La Paz to the protesters for today, there were thousands of marchers on the streets but few major clashes with the police and no real attempt to contain or disperse them. the troops are definitely out in large numbers but they're just sort of standing around behind the concrete barriers they're throwing up everywhere. that may change later in the evening, especially when the crowds start to thin out and the police are able to achieve local numerical superiority in a few places, but so far they seem to be focusing on defending a few key intersections and important state infrastructure like the presidential palace. lmfao so I guess they believe their own bullshit then
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Nov 15, 2019 01:32
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what the gently caress
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I would imagine that the troops at least start disappearing folks and putting their cia training to use
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Rated PG-34 posted:I would imagine that the troops at least start disappearing folks and putting their cia training to use you can’t really effectively start disappearing until the civil unrest is dealt with. Dissapearing is more of a dealing with a potential threat than an active one
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Nov 15, 2019 01:39
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yeah, disappearing people is what they were prepared to do, but you can't really do that when there are barricades up and thousands of people on the street. they did send out snatch squads last night who beat up and black bagged some lone isolated demonstrators here and there and will probably do so again tonight, but they're not doing so as effectively as they would be if there was no civil unrest.
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Nov 15, 2019 01:42
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I know less than nothing about the layout of Bolivia, but the wiki claims the capital has something like 700k people and is only the third largest city. How are things in the rest of the country?
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Nov 15, 2019 02:09
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Mister Bates posted:they did send out snatch squads last night who beat up and black bagged some lone isolated demonstrators here and there and will probably do so again tonight, but they're not doing so as effectively as they would be if there was no civil unrest. Sounds like an easy way to ambush some spooks would be to set up small "protests" and then have the boys with the heavy artillery hiding in wait. Use their own tactics against them
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Nov 15, 2019 02:24
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genericnick posted:I know less than nothing about the layout of Bolivia, but the wiki claims the capital has something like 700k people and is only the third largest city. How are things in the rest of the country? One city that's come up a lot is Santa Cruz, which is very right-wing and religious. The largest city, El Alto, has a large indigenous population and is located directly next to La Paz, basically as a massive sprawling suburb of the capital. In fact La Paz-El Alto is the only large city in the world whose primary public transportation backbone is an aerial tram service, useful because of the frequent and rapid changes in elevation throughout the metropolitan area. Shockingly this public transit service which primarily helps the cities' poorest residents has been "temporarily" suspended by the coup government    Dont know much else other than that it's a largely rural country
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Nov 15, 2019 02:26
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https://twitter.com/triofrancos/status/1195052279478521861?s=21 An interesting thread arguing lithium is possibly a low priority for why why the coup happened. Choice tweet: https://twitter.com/triofrancos/status/1195052283383472130?s=21 I don’t think this is particularly relevant but it is geopolitically fascinating if correct. To be clear, this person is not arguing that it was not a coup, just that lithium probably isn’t very important to why it happened.
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Nov 15, 2019 02:32
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This crazy coup granddaughter really should wipe her social media. She's blowing through credibility by the second with this poo poo
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Nov 15, 2019 02:40
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https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1194635359428046852?s=21 Here is a guy arguing the counter position, I suppose, to the other tweet thread I just posted. Also worth a read.
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Nov 15, 2019 02:56
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the Bolivia coup reminded me of a Bloomberg article from earlier this year about its economy: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-02-22/bolivia-s-problem-is-macroeconomics-not-socialism smug dismissal of its sustainability aside, it was working and working pretty drat well, and the article admits it. the lithium thing may or may not have been the last straw, but it ultimately came down to "socialism can actually work and we can't have that happen, now can we"
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Nov 15, 2019 02:58
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I don't think the non-scarcity of lithium/the current lack of demand are good arguments against it as a motivation. What I've heard sounds like the sources in Bolivia are some of the most potentially productive in the world, and if so their exploitation could pretty fundamentally change the market, crossing thresholds to make businesses profitable where they couldn't be before. This new market could in turn raise demand to the point where current stockpilers could find buyers. Of course if capitalists only wanted the new source of lithium, they could have settled for deals with Bolivia's existing government, but they're ideologically committed to ensuring that a maximum of profits go to private rather than public entities.
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Nov 15, 2019 03:05
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Algund Eenboom posted:Dont know much else other than that it's a largely rural country also, a quarter of the country is mountains, and another quarter is a jungle. if the coupsters wanna keep going with this, they're gonna have an unwinnable guerilla war on their hands by the looks of it imo, the coup can't take over the whole country anymore. probably can't really "win" either, just drag this out. my bet is still that when the far superior in numbers protesters start shooting at the pigs they're gonna run the gently caress away, but if coup gets significant materiel/personnel support from abroad poo poo could get dragged out 
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Nov 15, 2019 03:51
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lmao read this article look at all the evidence of a fascist coup and hem and haw and dance circles around the facts by refusing to take a stance on anythingquote:Bolivia’s controversial new interim president has unveiled a new cabinet which critics say could further increase polarization in the country still deeply split over the ousting of her predecessor, Evo Morales. "sure she's a religious fanatic and a capitalist crusader and put fascists in her cabinet and is calling on the military to purge her opponents but uh uh" *ctrl-f "coup" - 0 results*
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Nov 15, 2019 03:54
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is there a greater than zero chance that this becomes a civil war
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Nov 15, 2019 04:03
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get that OUT of my face posted:is there a greater than zero chance that this becomes a civil war I think there is tbh but also not a high chance
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Nov 15, 2019 04:05
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the hope is that this drags on that the west abandons the coup, afraid it's going to turn into another guaido embarrassment
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Nov 15, 2019 04:16
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It might just lead to the indigenous communities disengaging/being disengaged from national politics again. It sucks, but at least in the rural areas I bet they remember how to get by without help from La Paz. Cf. Mexico with the Zapatistas' unsanctioned but very real autonomy.
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nevermind, bolivia is saved https://twitter.com/DSA_Chapelboro/status/1195128173534613504
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https://twitter.com/SOSBOLIVIA2019/status/1195154685428207616 "Please research until you agree with me  "
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lmbo https://twitter.com/bolivia_truth/status/1195168696303521793
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Nov 15, 2019 04:27
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responding with OK Boomer to the obviously astroturfed pro-coup accounts is worthwhile because the people operating them don't understand that it's a US-specific generational thing and will respond like you'd expect conservative white people running 27 devices out of an unventilated office in Langley, VA to
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galenanorth posted:https://twitter.com/SOSBOLIVIA2019/status/1195154685428207616 joined november 2019 odd!!!!! joined november 2019 odd!!!!!
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https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/TSLA October 23-24 climb starts at https://www.npr.org/2019/10/24/772938301/amid-accusations-of-fraud-bolivias-president-claims-first-round-election-victory
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galenanorth posted:https://twitter.com/SOSBOLIVIA2019/status/1195154685428207616 at least this idiot admits theres a coup except...no media is calling it one
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galenanorth posted:https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/TSLA
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i also think the extreme breakneck pace of a huge wall of propaganda immediately followed by the insane fascists breaking out the giant bibles and burning indigenous flags has made at least some liberals and younger people question some of their assumptions about imperialism / strengthen their ability to identify imperialism, from what i've seen
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THS posted:i also think the extreme breakneck pace of a huge wall of propaganda immediately followed by the insane fascists breaking out the giant bibles and burning indigenous flags has made at least some liberals and younger people question some of their assumptions about imperialism / strengthen their ability to identify imperialism, from what i've seen What have you seen and where because I refuse to believe it
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Phi230 posted:What have you seen and where because I refuse to believe it facebook jacobin comments, literally saw some young looking liberal after some of the more hosed stuff came out say "i was totally wrong about morales a few days ago and i should have been more careful i apologize" as well as the entire general and overwhelming tone in every progressive forum, including reddit stuff, shift towards calling this a coup and being against it. the thread in D&D is a decent microchasm - even the liberals there aren't really trying to take the cute nuanced position anymore (though who knows if they will have actually learned anything from this) this is just my feel from online stuff though, not a single person at my workplace gives a gently caress. but within the marginal left circles that i read and comment in, the anti-coup people seem to be hounded out and it happened so fast that even the most ADD, naive, and undisciplined leftists can read the tea leaves here
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even the most squishy idiots seem to be averse to what's going on in bolivia when the initial flood of propaganda was so half-assed, the rightwing opposition is so white, openly fascist, and incompetent- and all the pro-MAS protesters look like angry grandmas
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Nov 15, 2019 05:28
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it's the venezuela coup attempt. it's immunized people. even a bunch of the people who bought into the narrative around that can loving see better now. i'd be real loving wary of anyone who can't honestly.
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NecroMonster posted:it's the venezuela coup attempt. it's immunized people. even a bunch of the people who bought into the narrative around that can loving see better now. it helps that whoever is running poo poo behind the scenes is deeply, deeply incompetent. In the obama admin it never made the news because thats how the obama admin operated. Dubya and Reagan were sloppy. They let the imperial gently caress ups get found out, but even then it was already too late. now a lot of this has to do with the fact there even IS a left to speak out now, or at least, things have changed such that the left can get it's message out in ways it never could before.
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reminder: the Venezuelan coup happened because guaido literally called mike pence personally and promised with no evidence that he could get 50% of the military to side with him if he declared himself president with U.S. support edit: the only difference between this and Venezuela is they are really obviously trying to keep trump out of the know
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Venom Snake posted:it helps that whoever is running poo poo behind the scenes is deeply, deeply incompetent. In the obama admin it never made the news because thats how the obama admin operated. forgot who said it but I heard an argument that the reason why Obama gets such fawning hagiography is that he was the perfect President for maintaining the empire.
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