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THS posted:even the most squishy idiots seem to be averse to what's going on in bolivia when the initial flood of propaganda was so half-assed, the rightwing opposition is so white, openly fascist, and incompetent- and all the pro-MAS protesters look like angry grandmas It's heartening to see, but I would caution you from drawing conclusions from what people post online. Most people don't bother posting online about news, and they get their news from mainstream media outlets. Mainstream media outlets are still continuing to manufacture consent and push the standard US line.
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imo the conjecture about “is this over lithium “ is pointless. the US would support any right wing coup in Latin America for any business reason. it seems apparent that the main push for the coup came from the Bolivian right, because they’ve been stupidly honest about their real motive, which is to completely dispossess Indigenos an restore white Christian rule to the country. the whole thing reeks of desperation since they knew they would lose the election, and if the MAS could rule for four straight terms it could break their power permanently and relegate them to a minority party that could only ever form governments in coalition with liberals. why even bother at all when you could just take the whole enchilada? as far as the US goes, our geopolitical motives have more weight than the lithium specifically.
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Doctor Nick posted:It's heartening to see, but I would caution you from drawing conclusions from what people post online. Most people don't bother posting online about news, and they get their news from mainstream media outlets. Mainstream media outlets are still continuing to manufacture consent and push the standard US line. yeah like i said, i understand this is all marginal stuff on the "paying attention to poo poo" left, but i think consolidating that sphere with incredibly vibrant examples of Stupid Imperialism is illustrative to a lot of people who otherwise might have remained rather wooly the average age of the person watching MSNBC is 65 and it's harder to control narratives, as much as various state and private actors try to manipulate those narratives
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this whole farce should be good for showing libs how the right weaponizes their naive belief that people fundamentally operate on good faith, if only they'd listen look at how many d&d posters that wobbuffet fucker made a fool of. create an account with the bolivian national anthem in its custom title and talk about about how much your country yearns for freedom and they'll fall over themselves to thank you for your valuable and insightful input.
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Al! posted:oh weird what happened to that guy i think wobuffet was a she and she mysteriously disappeared as soon as the video of the new 'president' appeared with the giant bible infront of the government building, while the other main opposition leader had clear videos of himself and other fascists doing hitler salutes anyway always believe english speaking white bolivians who somehow ended up on a $10 pay to post comedy forum
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Nov 15, 2019 06:11
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galenanorth posted:https://twitter.com/SOSBOLIVIA2019/status/1195154685428207616 lmao that's just "read the OP" phrased a bit differently
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Nov 15, 2019 06:45
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:this whole farce should be good for showing libs how the right weaponizes their naive belief that people fundamentally operate on good faith, if only they'd listen I can't loving believe those idiots listened to a brand new account like it had any loving legitimacy
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Nov 15, 2019 06:48
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we had posters shilling for Hillary under David Brock's Correct The Record org in 2016, and one of the mods is a literal NATO asset, of course there are people deliberately spreading agitprop on these dead gay forums
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Nov 15, 2019 07:15
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get that OUT of my face posted:is there a greater than zero chance that this becomes a civil war MAS militants have literally been chanting 'civil war now' for days that having been said, while some of them do have guns, it is a motley collection of civilian firearms - break-action shotguns, bolt-action rifles, revolvers, etc. - in the hands of people who, though relatively well organized, are definitely not an army. both sides are preparing for the possibility of a civil war, I think, but I don't think either side actually particularly wants one to happen and I'm positive neither side wants to be the one to officially kick the thing off. the coup plotters know that it would destroy any chance at consolidating power or building a perception of legitimacy, and MAS and their supporters know a lot of people would probably die. it can still easily happen, the country is a tense fuckin powder keg right now, but if it does happen it will have broken out essentially by accident
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gradenko_2000 posted:we had posters shilling for Hillary under David Brock's Correct The Record org in 2016, and one of the mods is a literal NATO asset, of course there are people deliberately spreading agitprop on these dead gay forums wait which mod is a spook lmao
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Nov 15, 2019 07:39
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Who were the US senators on the leaked audio tapes? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Phi230 posted:wait which mod is a spook lmao a few thousand people who mostly talk about cars or sportsball really needs that dedicated presence.
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Phi230 posted:wait which mod is a spook lmao not a literal spy, Brown Moses is just a useful idiot for American foreign power and the allied countries/NGOs they launder that power through
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Nov 15, 2019 08:05
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Nov 15, 2019 08:13
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Algund Eenboom posted:One city that's come up a lot is Santa Cruz, which is very right-wing and religious. The largest city, El Alto, has a large indigenous population and is located directly next to La Paz, basically as a massive sprawling suburb of the capital. In fact La Paz-El Alto is the only large city in the world whose primary public transportation backbone is an aerial tram service, useful because of the frequent and rapid changes in elevation throughout the metropolitan area. Shockingly this public transit service which primarily helps the cities' poorest residents has been "temporarily" suspended by the coup government
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fess up, which one of you is "Miguel Eichmann-Mengele, Pro-Coup Real Bolivian" in my mentions because that's a pro-tier username.
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https://twitter.com/measure7x/status/1194996975013380096 https://twitter.com/measure7x/status/1195000108879896578 https://twitter.com/measure7x/status/1195006870018306049 https://twitter.com/measure7x/status/1195013896614154241 https://twitter.com/measure7x/status/1195015395079589889   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLqHDhF-O28&t=187s 
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the Human Rights Foundation / Oslo Freedom Foundation rabbit-hole is Epstein-thread levels of crack-pingery, except I hope MAS can give them their just desserts
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WampaLord posted:I can't loving believe those idiots listened to a brand new account like it had any loving legitimacy Hold up. Somebody astroturfed SA in TYOOL 2019? Were relevant enough for that?
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Al! posted:phew, nothing to worry about anymore. the UN is on the case!!!! Guterres coverage is funny because most of the time he's really, really tame and mostly just centers on climate change and refugee matters, but it's enough to get Ken Roth to go to Sapo (Think Portuguese MSN) to go complain on how he doesn't take human rights serious enough for not condemning Yemen, Palestine and Venezuela hard enough and Sapo is lovely enough to just go "man of human rights related org criticizes our former pm on it" with such typical portuguese vagueness magic that makes it sound like he just mailed us to go "please have me in to scream to the Portuguese populace to demand his UN resignation for me pretty please"
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Thoguh posted:Hold up. Somebody astroturfed SA in TYOOL 2019? Were relevant enough for that? Have you looked at the kind of budget even small campaigns throw around?
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Thoguh posted:Hold up. Somebody astroturfed SA in TYOOL 2019? Were relevant enough for that? Could have been another fnox. Could have literally been fnox
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Gum posted:Could have been another fnox. Could have literally been fnox Be fair, there's always Zapples too.
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Something Awful spawned off some of the most influential people in online culture. Any espionage agency interested in manipulating cultural trends would think that's worth a few thousand dollars of agitprop.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:imo the conjecture about “is this over lithium “ is pointless. the US would support any right wing coup in Latin America for any business reason. A good post
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Something Awful spawned off some of the most influential people in online culture. Any espionage agency interested in manipulating cultural trends would think that's worth a few thousand dollars of agitprop. it probably less a "they think its worth it" situation these days than "some middle tier analyst has a personal connection here and fucks & bucks to spare"
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otoh, have you seen that terrible place c-spam??? i hear it's full of radical commies and poo poo, it'd be insane not to have it monitored!
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gradenko_2000 posted:forgot who said it but I heard an argument that the reason why Obama gets such fawning hagiography is that he was the perfect President for maintaining the empire. Plus Obama was basically a wallpaper over the standard US bullying and war crimes with a pretty face with a professional Ivy league education.
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Doctor Nick posted:Who were the US senators on the leaked audio tapes? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Supposedly Rubio, Cruz, and Menendez
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Lightning Knight posted:brown moses is not a mod anymore so to my knowledge none of the mods have connections to the US government anymore. He needed more free time to do google searches and post articles about blurry satellite photos.
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etalian posted:He needed more free time to do google searches and post articles about blurry satellite photos. Siri please google “how do I turn posting Wikipedia as my source into a career”
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Prince Myshkin posted:John Dolan I think. Dolan's opinion on Obama is that he was a quiet killer, which is best for maintaining empire because it keeps all of our ugly affairs out of the public eye and on the margins where only lefty loons will care about them. Right wingers hated Obama because what they want is a cheerleader like George Bush who will make them feel great about killing people. It doesn't matter how counter-productive that sort of stance is, because to reactionaries their psychological validation is more important than anything else - and I think you can see a lot of that playing out with the Bolivian coup right now. I also wonder if three years of Trump being president hasn't trained liberals into seeing legalistic coups as good things. Democrats have spent the last two years trying to figure out any way they can to force Trump out of office without having to engage in any political contest, and I think it's primed liberals to see any allegation of rules violating as justifying direct action to unseat an elected head of state.
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Glen Beck says that the US deep state is socialist and responsible for coups and such like this.
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THS posted:i also think the extreme breakneck pace of a huge wall of propaganda immediately followed by the insane fascists breaking out the giant bibles and burning indigenous flags has made at least some liberals and younger people question some of their assumptions about imperialism / strengthen their ability to identify imperialism, from what i've seen Ugh, my bf is a lib and his only response to the coup is that Morales rigged the election even when I sent him an article from the guardian that did disprove that as well as him being open to another election. He doesn't want to read or look at anything outside of WaPo, NYT, BBC and MNBC because those are the only valid new sources lmao. Idia has issued a correction as of 15:09 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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