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Cerebral Bore posted:I guess that when you have literally 0% black support you just gotta make do and fake it. In my head, he and a cameraman just barged into a church mid-service to sneak a photo before anyone noticed what was going on and literally ran out the door.
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🎵 He has to fake black, black votes for some reason 🎵Marxalot posted:In my head, he and a cameraman just barged into a church mid-service to sneak a photo before anyone noticed what was going on and literally ran out the door. Ok, he really must be Nathan Fielder in light prosthetics
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mcmagic posted:This is bad. Why? Biden+6 over Bernie and Liz in NV, a tricky state to poll, isn't too bad, especially with everyone else fragmented.
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Pander posted:Why? Not familiar with how votes are kinda hosed, mostly for being hopelessly biased towards people with landline phones who still answer unknown numbers?
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I'm guessing it's the buttergreg 8% but I don't follow polling enough (or at all) to really understand the subtle art of polling based humor.
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This tweet will never get old https://twitter.com/katewillett/status/1162775304106106880?lang=en
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The disconcerting thing about these polls is that there's a lot of combined support for "who cares?" centrist candidates that's probably going to go to Biden eventually. Those Steyer and Harris voters aren't going to back Warren or Sanders, and most of the Butt people won't either.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Not familiar with how votes are kinda hosed, mostly for being hopelessly biased towards people with landline phones who still answer unknown numbers? Well that's true everywhere, but Nevada has waaaaay more people working odd hours than most states because the hotel and casino industry is such a big part of the state economy
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Paradoxish posted:The disconcerting thing about these polls is that there's a lot of combined support for "who cares?" centrist candidates that's probably going to go to Biden eventually. Those Steyer and Harris voters aren't going to back Warren or Sanders, and most of the Butt people won't either. It’s really a three-way race, but your average voter still sees the giant field
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Cerebral Bore posted:I guess that when you have literally 0% black support you just gotta make do and fake it.  Black? Republican committee!
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Reuters would like to apologize for this outlier poll
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It's really to bad that none of us can vote for Bernie because we failed to officially opt out of voting Pete.
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https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/1195371809539002368 Well well, look who just switched to supporting Medicare for all who want it.
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Big Structural Change* Dream Big** Fight Hard***
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They polled over 2,000 people which is surprisingly high. Pollsters usually get to 600-800 and go "good enough." And how long have pollsters been using credibility intervals instead of MoE? Hadn't noticed that before. Edit: Guess Warren thinks she needs to shore up her centrist support with Bloomberg and Patrick coming in to try and siphon off votes. Might even believe she has the progressives on lock but I think it's way too early for her to pull this sort of move. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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quote:This would be free for Americans under 18 years old, as well as individuals below 200 percent of the federal poverty level. For others, costs would be shared under this plan, but eventually decrease to zero. quote:Instead, I’ll give every American over the age of 50 the choice to enter an improved Medicare program, and I’ll give every person in America the choice to get coverage through a true Medicare for All option. Coverage under the new Medicare for All option will be immediately free for children under the age of 18 and for families making at or below 200% of the federal poverty level [$25k/year for single filers w/o children]. For all others, the cost will be modest, and eventually, coverage under this plan will be free for everyone. oh boy, i can't wait for healthcare choice at a 'modest' price!
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I like how Warren is very careful to get at least one election in-between phases one and two of her plan so she has plausible deniability to just drop the actual M4A part once the Dems inevitably lose that one.
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Cerebral Bore posted:https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/1195371809539002368 I, for one, look forward to another 4 years of trump admin shitheads goose stepping around when the dems put forth "We'll give you a public option that will lower your healthcare premiums from $400/mo to $380 and you'll also qualify for ACA style subsidies!" as their big plan loving hell don't they know you're at -least- supposed to wait till after the primary to pull this poo poo? Preferably after the actual election?
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I promise this isn't in bad faith: what does Sanders' transition plan look like? Is there one as specific as this? It really feels like Warren is shooting herself in the foot by being way more specific about things than anyone needs her to be, and just setting herself up to upset people on all sides.
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smug n stuff posted:I promise this isn't in bad faith: what does Sanders' transition plan look like? Is there one as specific as this? It really feels like Warren is shooting herself in the foot by being way more specific about things than anyone needs her to be, and just setting herself up to upset people on all sides. Last I saw (years ago) it was to essentially start lowering the medicare age by a significant amount every year until everyone is on it after like 3 years.
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smug n stuff posted:I promise this isn't in bad faith: what does Sanders' transition plan look like? Is there one as specific as this? It really feels like Warren is shooting herself in the foot by being way more specific about things than anyone needs her to be, and just setting herself up to upset people on all sides. As I recall the Sanders version of M4A has a four-year phase-in, while the House version has a two-year phase-in. In both cases, kids and olds are the first to get M4A and then everybody else successively gets included. The difference, of course, is that that's done in one bill and so once the ball starts rolling there ain't no stopping it, unlike Warren's designed-to-fail boondoggle.
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this plan clearly has no intention of providing a decent public option anyway.quote:Make Mental Health and Substance Use Treatment A Reality there's no need for this part if you actually plan on providing a public option that covers mental health, as market forces will provide insurers to provide similar services or go bankrupt. the stuff about fixing the ACA and medicaid is also really troubling, there should be no need for any of that under a good public option. quote:Lower Costs. Right now, people may pay up to 9.86% of their income before they get subsidies. Under my plan, this cap would be lowered – and to make sure those tax credits cover more, we will benchmark them to more generous “gold” plans in the Marketplace. And we will increase eligibility for cost sharing reductions, ensuring that more individuals can get into an affordable exchange plan immediately. just do medicare for all, why do you need to reform a system that you supposedly want to eliminate in 3 years?
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GoluboiOgon posted:this plan clearly has no intention of providing a decent public option anyway. Yeah, weird, it's almost like this is designed to not actually lead to M4A 
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GoluboiOgon posted:this plan clearly has no intention of providing a decent public option anyway. because dems don't want to reform or eliminate the system if they can help it and, even if we're being generous and pretending that's not true, this bullshit is literally indistinguishable from a controlled opposition movement
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GoluboiOgon posted:just do medicare for all, why do you need to reform a system that you supposedly want to eliminate in 3 years? There is no inclination to implement MfA, they will make the faintest of tries and then when its inevitably blocked they will fall back on "Obamacare 2.0, now with more handouts to the insurance companies" instead Its designed to fail, especially with all the good stuff people actually sitting a year after the GOP has a chance to take back congress again
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This seems dumb as hell; why wait/break up the bill unless you want to potentially jettison the second part? Dammit.
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Cerebral Bore posted:https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/1195371809539002368 Relying on losing a chamber in 2022 so the second part can't/won't pass. Transparent fuckery.
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i especially like that in this new warren plan, there's no way to tell what prices people will pay. she will subsidize obamacare plans more, but by an unspecified amount, and the public option will be 'affordable,' but not so affordable that it will drive private insurance out of buisness. note that bernie's plan told people exactly how much they would pay, based on current income. i strongly suspect that consumer insurance prices will increase under warren's plan. also, this part is complete galaxy brain: quote:Tax excessive lobbying. My plan will also implement an excessive lobbying tax on companies that spend more than $500,000 per year peddling influence – like Pfizer, Amgen, Eli Lilly, Novartis, and Johnson & Johnson. Money from the tax would be used to strengthen congressional support agencies, establish an office to help the public participate in the rule-making process, and give our government additional resources to fight back against an avalanche of corporate lobbying spending. corporations buying influence in congress? let's make them pay a 10% tax on their lobbying (above the very reasonable threshold of half a million, of course), i'm sure that will end corporate influence in washington!
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Communism is inevitable and has been pushed by the deep state for decades. The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986 (COBRA) amended the Public Health Service Act, the Internal Revenue Code and the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) to require employers with 20 or more employees to provide temporary continuation of group health coverage in certain situations where it would otherwise be terminated. G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (also known as Action Force in the UK) is a half-hour American animated television series created by Ron Friedman.[4] Based on the toyline from Hasbro, the cartoon ran in syndication from 1983 to 1986. Cobra went from being an enemy devoted to destroying the free world to a way to save people's lives, though at great cost. Things that also happened in 1986: -Fascist countries Spain and Portugal enter the European Community, which later becomes the European Union implanting deep state operatives to destroy freedom. -The Single European Act would be signed shortly thereafter. -UNIDO was created concurrently to control economies. -UN appoints president of Austria. The US Senate is forced to affirm the CPPCG, placing the US under the control of European elites. -Ronald Reagan signs the Goldwater–Nichols Act reorganizing the US military to better serve the new elite masters -The US eliminates remaining bastions of freedom within its sphere of influence, such as Haiti -The Hotel New World collapses (sacrifice to Baal) -The first PC virus, Brain, starts to spread. -The free internet is killed in its crib with the creation of LISTSERV to monitor use -Electronic trading props up London Stock Exchange at the expense of the New York Stock Exchange -First contact with Uranus followed almost immediately by the Challenger disaster, effectively crippling the US space industry. On the flipside, the USSR launches the MIR space station. -The first 3D printer is sold. LOOK AT ALL THAT! It's so obvious. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Also it seems like Warren’s lobbying tax will exclude groups like the American Petroleum Institute or the National Association of Manufacturers who are non-profits lobbying on behalf of industry. So all the biggest and worst companies already have a loophole around this new tax.
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It's almost like Candidate Plans spent all her energy on coming up with plans that are expertly crafted to look good on first glance but not actually fix anything. Who could have guessed?
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Cerebral Bore posted:https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/1195371809539002368 No don't you get it, she really wants to do Medicare for All, she endorsed it! If you think she's not committed to it you're crazy!
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So Warren is already pivoting hard to the right and she hasn’t even won a delegate. Between her recent shift to opposing MFA to saying that she believes billionaires should exist, I’m not sure how she’s better than Castro on policy anymore.
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Marxalot posted:In my head, he and a cameraman just barged into a church mid-service to sneak a photo before anyone noticed what was going on and literally ran out the door. speaking of Buttigieg photo fun, https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1195375842358108168?s=20
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Cerebral Bore posted:I like how Warren is very careful to get at least one election in-between phases one and two of her plan so she has plausible deniability to just drop the actual M4A part once the Dems inevitably lose that one. president liz lemon: "the midterm results show that the american people don't want a big government healthcare system so we will sadly drop the m4a bill and introduce the 'free healthcare for blood boys and blood gals' bill"
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