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Idia posted:Ugh, my bf is a lib and his only response to the coup is that Morales rigged the election even when I sent him an article from the guardian that did disprove that as well as him being open to another election. He doesn't want to read or look at anything outside of WaPo, NYT, BBC and MNBC because those are the only valid new sources lmao. your boyfriend has brainworms. it's terminal... my sympathies
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A Spherical Sponge posted:your boyfriend has brainworms. it's terminal... my sympathies Yeah, refusal to listen to anything other than certain news sources means that the political beliefs associated with them will never change, whether it's a FOX News CHUD or a cult member getting news only from XanthosTheWorldBurnerIsComing.com
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I didn't want to post this because I frankly don't give a gently caress about the allegations and I don't want to give them credence, but a Univ. of Michigan professor ran a model and concluded that if all the alleged fraudulent votes were given to the opposition instead of Evo, he still would've won by over 10%: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/Bolivia2019.pdf Real heads know that this doesn't matter, but might be worth sharing with Libs
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Frijolero posted:I didn't want to post this because I frankly don't give a gently caress about the allegations and I don't want to give them credence, but a Univ. of Michigan professor ran a model and concluded that if all the alleged fraudulent votes were given to the opposition instead of Evo, he still would've won by over 10%: lmao
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Idia posted:Ugh, my bf is a lib and his only response to the coup is that Morales rigged the election even when I sent him an article from the guardian that did disprove that as well as him being open to another election. He doesn't want to read or look at anything outside of WaPo, NYT, BBC and MNBC because those are the only valid new sources lmao. Sounds like me before i finally crack*pinged, friend. Not sure what the last straw was for me but it is possible for a lib to finally accept that America is Really Bad and  , just keep hammering at him. e Showing him Manufactured Consent could be a start? And a bunch of lsd Zeno-25 has issued a correction as of 16:30 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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Wait who is the cult lady and whos the "purge the indigenous" lady in all this?
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StashAugustine posted:Wait who is the cult lady and whos the "purge the indigenous" lady in all this? the "cult" lady is Jhanisse V. Daza, the "activist" trained by Western-back regime-change NGOs with ties to Extinction Rebellion and, as we've recently learned, Jared Leto's Echelon cult (which is itself almost assuredly some kind of intelligence op) the "purge the indigeneous" lady is Jeanine Anez, leader of the legislative opposition who declared herself Interim President with the ouster of Evo Morales, and began her "term" by bringing back a huge bible into the capital and promising Christianity to return to Bolivia
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Extinction Rebellion is the enemy if nobodies figured it out yet XR Intellegence
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Extinction Rebellion is the enemy if nobodies figured it out yet I made the conclusion that XR is controlled by western intelligence services after seeing their "red-handed" protest (where they encouraged people spray-painting their hand on public buildings and turning themselves in to the police), but has anyone actually done a deep dive on this?
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Doctor Nick posted:I made the conclusion that XR is controlled by western intelligence services after seeing their "red-handed" protest (where they encouraged people spray-painting their hand on public buildings and turning themselves in to the police), but has anyone actually done a deep dive on this? Cory Morningstar over at the wrong kind of green has a good but lengthy write up on XR and Greta thunberg being astroturf operations run by an emerging green capitalist class. they are banking on governments and corporations investing 90 trillion over the next 15-20 years on climate related industries.
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Doctor Nick posted:I made the conclusion that XR is controlled by western intelligence services after seeing their "red-handed" protest (where they encouraged people spray-painting their hand on public buildings and turning themselves in to the police), but has anyone actually done a deep dive on this? As goofy as that was, getting arrested and clogging up prisons is a proven nonviolent tactic However, they have done numerous other weird cop poo poo
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Cory Morningstar over at the wrong kind of green has a good but lengthy write up on XR and Greta thunberg being astroturf operations run by an emerging green capitalist class. they are banking on governments and corporations investing 90 trillion over the next 15-20 years on climate related industries. not the worst bet, tbh
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look at how this dictator lived. surely he needed stopping https://twitter.com/ReporteYa/status/1195108247096705027
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Jose posted:look at how this dictator lived. surely he needed stopping lmfao that's like a 2 star hotel room
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Cory Morningstar over at the wrong kind of green has a good but lengthy write up on XR and Greta thunberg being astroturf operations run by an emerging green capitalist class. they are banking on governments and corporations investing 90 trillion over the next 15-20 years on climate related industries. lol isn't this Mark Blythe's hedged bet on climate change
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Jose posted:look at how this dictator lived. surely he needed stopping That's about as luxurious as a Holiday Inn.
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if evo morales is a man of the people then how come he has TWO modest apartments
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Plutonis posted:lmfao that's like a 2 star hotel room Only because we all know that he moved his billions to the vatican banks!
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Al! posted:if evo morales is a man of the people then how come he has TWO modest apartments "If Thomas Sankara is a man of the people then how come he owns a refrigerator?"
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sure morales cut poverty in half in a decade, but he sleeps like a king! well, not a king exactly, he only has a queen sized mattress but im sure its very comfortable
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Cory Morningstar over at the wrong kind of green has a good but lengthy write up on XR and Greta thunberg being astroturf operations run by an emerging green capitalist class. they are banking on governments and corporations investing 90 trillion over the next 15-20 years on climate related industries. these kinds of people* have funded death squads for less potential money than that so why don't they just go whole hog on it. bring back the weathermen. divest from fossil fuels and fund people who want to sabotage the industry. tap gently on saudi infrastructure until it collapses into dust. i tbought they were supposed to be risk taking entrepreneurs!!!! *the bourgeoisie
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what, the first female president of bolivia can't have death squads? well gently caress that and gently caress you
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Jose posted:look at how this dictator lived. surely he needed stopping Classic Ego Morales.
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fabergay egg posted:these kinds of people* have funded death squads for less potential money than that so why don't they just go whole hog on it. bring back the weathermen. divest from fossil fuels and fund people who want to sabotage the industry. tap gently on saudi infrastructure until it collapses into dust. i tbought they were supposed to be risk taking entrepreneurs!!!! The real aim is to pre-empt any genuine left wing environmentalist politics. Greta Thurnberg gets put out as a spokesperson because as a child they can easily control her message, and she'll stay popular so long as she never actually crosses the line into attacking capitalism directly. She's gotten close by attacking limitless growth ideology, but capital can easily thread that needle by either marginalizing it completely or embracing it - because "no growth" capitalism is functionally equivalent to feudalism.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The real aim is to pre-empt any genuine left wing environmentalist politics. Greta Thurnberg gets put out as a spokesperson because as a child they can easily control her message, and she'll stay popular so long as she never actually crosses the line into attacking capitalism directly. She's gotten close by attacking limitless growth ideology, but capital can easily thread that needle by either marginalizing it completely or embracing it - because "no growth" capitalism is functionally equivalent to feudalism. to clarify, we’re talking about the people who were backing her, and not asserting that she’s actually intentionally in on this, right? because I don’t think she’s intentionally acting as a mouthpiece for the rich in the same way that lady stanning for regime change in Bolivia is.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Greta Thurnberg gets put out as a spokesperson because as a child they can easily control her message, and she'll stay popular so long as she never actually crosses the line into attacking capitalism directly. You literally cannot open a newspaper these days without stumbling over at least one column where a very serious adult man in a suit explains why it’s imperative that no one listen to this ridiculous child because cutting down on fossil fuels would mean the doom of humanity.
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Truga posted:greta's fine. she keeps saying infinite growth is the problem because it is and also she's 16, as soon as she says something too political people will go insane, because how could this brat who can't even vote dare try to judge the system she can't possibly understand. lol if life just ends up going on in Bolivia with all the golpistas holed up in their homes and palaces terrified of what the people will do if they step out
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etalian posted:Plus Obama was basically a wallpaper over the standard US bullying and war crimes with a pretty face with a professional Ivy league education. nobel peace prize
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Comrade Koba posted:You literally cannot open a newspaper these days without stumbling over at least one column where a very serious adult man in a suit explains why it’s imperative that no one listen to this ridiculous child because cutting down on fossil fuels would mean the doom of humanity. There are competing factions within capital, it's not a monolith.
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Idia posted:Ugh, my bf is a lib and his only response to the coup is that Morales rigged the election even when I sent him an article from the guardian that did disprove that as well as him being open to another election. He doesn't want to read or look at anything outside of WaPo, NYT, BBC and MNBC because those are the only valid new sources lmao. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/06/irrefutable/e598b1be-a78a-4a42-8e1a-c336f7a217f4/ and the numerous firings and slanderings of anti-war journalists and activists in the lead up to the iraq war it's like the one war that a liberal might think is bad and based on mass propaganda it's probably a lost cause though lol libs are already rehabilitating the iraq war cabinet and president
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:this whole farce should be good for showing libs how the right weaponizes their naive belief that people fundamentally operate on good faith, if only they'd listen They are incapable of learning from the past because, at the end of the day, they just don't care. To them, it's simply about feeling like a good person in the moment. It's not about reality or the people harmed by these circumstances. It's about getting to feel like you're a good ally listening to The Bolivian/Venezuelan/etc People. If you bring up how they were wrong and are using the same logic that made them be wrong before, then you're just being a weird person who is "sea lioning" them. The only way to approach the topic is to just realize that these people are fundamentally no different from Freepers or any other group of dumbasses who are wrong about everything. I personally have trouble doing this and continue to argue with these people like a moron, but it's ultimately all pointless. comedyblissoption posted:maybe you can get a liberal to question for a moment their unshakeable trust in these liberal institutions by pointing out the insane iraq war propaganda: It's a lost cause, because they won't contest that WaPo (etc) are bad sometimes; they just still think that they should be treated as true by default until proved otherwise. The idea that you can possibly just not know for sure what's happening is insane to them, so they have to choose something to trust, and they sure as hell aren't going to trust any non-mainstream media. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 20:33 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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