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Paradoxish posted:Course: Oblivion is also easily the darkest, most nihilistic episode of any Trek series. It's an episode that goes out of its way to scream that nothing matters and no one will ever remember that dupe crew.
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Payndz posted:No, that's Terry Farrell. Nana Visitor is an immortal being who dyed her hair silver to throw people off the trail 
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Nana Visitor is an immortal being who dyed her hair silver to throw people off the trail 
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Holy moly, the new Short Trek was loving awful not even Pike being one of the 2 main characters could save it from being edgelord garbage; I really, really want to stay optimistic for S3 of Discovery but god loving help us if this is what it's gonna be like
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Nana Visitor always makes me lol as a name that's less plausible than her Star Trek alien character Also it sounds like the cool great aunt whose visits you always look forward to
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Holy moly, the new Short Trek was loving awful Details plz, I don't wanna watch it but wanna hear what it was.
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Cadet lady is on a station and a battle is going on, Tholians attacking the station and the Enterprise which is docked there. 2 security bring in a guy in a hood "we're under attack, this guy mutinied, guard him bc everyone who should be guarding him is dead" Hood comes off, it's Pike. Pike proceeds to do the whole "you have to let me go I'm the only one who can stop this attack" while the cadet refuses. He pulls every dirty trick he can, citing regulations, etc. At one point he reveals that the cadet's husband was on the ship the Tholians initially attacked and was killed. She doesn't relent and keeps him handcuffed with a phaser pointed at him. Suddenly the battle just stops, the lights go on. It was all a test! We wanted to make sure you wouldn't buckle under pressure and stay true to Starfleet regulations, even under the pressure of "your husband died lol." Spock and #1 show up, congratulate the now-ensign, everyone has a big ol' laugh. The test was for an entry-level Engineering position on the Enterprise. Big ol' swing and a miss. It was the Kobayashi Maru run through the Gritty Edgelord filter on maximum, except it didn't teach us anything about any characters except for "Starfleet is willing to traumatize their engineering cadets" Also it's entirely played off for laughs, after the big reveal Pike and everyone involved have a big old feel-good session with each other, and the ensign is in complete awe at being on Enterprise and completely forgets the whole "you told my my husband was murdered by aliens" thing. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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Nov 15, 2019 18:35
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I'll put it in spoilers just in case but this is something from TNG that relates: Remember when they made Wesley think he had doomed some random to death and that was just for getting into the academy I turned off All Access until Picard arrives so I haven't watched the new Short Trek but it doesn't seem too out of line. Could come down to the delivery I suppose.
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Humerus posted:I'll put it in spoilers just in case but this is something from TNG that relates: I forgot about that, I'll have to rewatch to compare. Which episode was that? I mean it's less bothersome that they played it off for laughs, and more annoying that it's just entirely pointless. Doesn't teach us anything new about any characters, doesn't introduce any new concepts or people, etc.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I forgot about that, I'll have to rewatch to compare. Which episode was that? Coming of Age
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Yeah Starfleet doesn't seem to have a problem traumatizing new recruits but going "your hubby died and the aliens attacking us are responsible" seems a little more personal than "the bridge crew just burned down around you"
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Starfleet Academy in TNG is so strange. Do they only get <15 new students each year? And if Wesley wasn't the best out of his testing group did one of the other applicants cure Andorians Herpes or something? It would make more sense if it were competition for some sort of fast-track "honors program" but FFS serving as bridge crew on the flagship of the fleet, even as an acting ensign, should get you a spot, not to mention all the juice you'd have on your side from the senior officers writing recommendation letters like, "Yeah, he may be a little young and needs some seasoning, but did I mention he single-handedly has saved the USS Enterprise from certain destruction like 11 times (and TBF was the one who put the ship in mortal danger in the first place three of those times, and maybe someone brilliant enough to get into that much trouble should be coached and encouraged???)" I mean in TOS loving Finnian made it into the Academy. Maybe the lure of the silver lamé shirts got too strong and they had to start weeding everyone out? e: before someone says it, in TWOK there's every reason to believe that Saavik knows she's in a simulation and is looking around in panic and horror because she knows she's going to blow the test. Admiralty Flag fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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Nov 15, 2019 19:09
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They probably just did it especially to gently caress with Wesley
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Admiralty Flag posted:
Yeah it's a simulation she walks into. In a Starfleet building. On Earth. Unless they somehow recon'd the Maru into being "HEY CADET, YOU ARE NOW CAPTAIN OF A SHIP FOR SOME REASON IN REALITY, REALLY! HERE PUT THIS BLINDFOLD ON AS WE LEAD YOU DOWN A HALLWAY" Discovery is garbage. The Picard series is going to lean heavily on P-Stew and nostalgia, but remember it's by the same people as Discovery.
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skasion posted:They probably just did it especially to gently caress with Wesley That would be hilarious if his test was a result of Picard pulling some strings or calling up someone at the Academy and saying "Put that little fucker through the ringer."
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jeeves posted:The Picard series is going to lean heavily on P-Stew and nostalgia, but remember it's by the same people as Discovery. There's been enough revealed about things it seems clear that Picard is going to set out on his mission because Starfleet is refusing to do the right thing and do it themselves and it seems like it might be marking the beginning of the Federation withdrawing from the galaxy and going isolationist that eventually leads to the 31st century Federation declined to nothing of Discovery Season 3.
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Is this a new recruit for their military organization or a helpless baby who hasn't even learned the nature of reality versus peek-a-boo? Seems like a stretch to act like they're permanently scarring the cadet with the test, like being told your spouse is dead is magic words that will forever crumble their psyche.
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She should have been like "That's a lie he wasnt killed by Tholians I killed him last night" Then Pike would be puzzled
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MikeJF posted:There's been enough revealed about things it seems clear that Picard is going to set out on his mission because Starfleet is refusing to do the right thing and do it themselves and it seems like it might be marking the beginning of the Federation withdrawing from the galaxy and going isolationist that eventually leads to the 31st century Federation declined to nothing of Discovery Season 3. I'm sure this will all be terribly interesting and not at least as stilted and questionable as their previous efforts
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jeeves posted:Yeah it's a simulation she walks into. In a Starfleet building. On Earth. I was thinking someone could say transporter fuckery while asleep or some such but that makes even less sense when you pull on a loose thread Is Starfleet such a make-work organization that command-level officers like Spock and Pike have nothing better to do than participate in simulations/tests? Isn't that where you put people like Commander Small Talk from the Die Hard episode of TNG I do approve of the headcanon that Picard did it to gently caress with Wesley, just like he made Wesley ride in the shuttle with him (though that got a little out of control)
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I've not watched the short trek since I don't think Netflix has added them yet, but as well as Wesley sacrificing that dude they also made Troi kill Geordi in a simulation so she could get promoted.
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marktheando posted:I've not watched the short trek since I don't think Netflix has added them yet, but as well as Wesley sacrificing that dude they also made Troi kill Geordi in a simulation so she could get promoted. To be fair that one was organised by Riker and he might've just wanted to kill Geordi.
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marktheando posted:I've not watched the short trek since I don't think Netflix has added them yet, but as well as Wesley sacrificing that dude they also made Troi kill Geordi in a simulation so she could get promoted. That was for command certification, basically being able to sit in the center chair, so I can see making sure the person can make a tough call as part of the role's duties that Ensign Numbnuts in Replicator Maintenance shouldn't have to be called on to make (though because it's the Enterprise it's always life or death once a week)
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MikeJF posted:There's been enough revealed about things it seems clear that Picard is going to set out on his mission because Starfleet is refusing to do the right thing and do it themselves and it seems like it might be marking the beginning of the Federation withdrawing from the galaxy and going isolationist that eventually leads to the 31st century Federation declined to nothing of Discovery Season 3. I hope it has zero tie in's into Discovery S3 because that'd be absurd with the amount of time there is between those shows. Any problems the Federation has in the 32nd century started far closer to that date than the late 24th.
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Thought apropos nothing: sometimes, when I've had a bit to drink, I put on one of those replica commbadges I bought a few months ago and it makes me irrationally happy for a few minutes. (I've since bought the TNG one too and it's way more fun omg). Drone fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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Sometimes when I get really drunk I'll yell computer end program because I just want this to end
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Tighclops posted:Sometimes when I get really drunk I'll yell computer end program because I just want this to end glad i'm not the only one COMPUTER, ARCH.
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Drone posted:Thought apropos nothing: sometimes, when I've had a bit to drink, I put on one of those replica commbadges I bought a few months ago and it makes me irrationally happy for a few minutes. What sorcery is going on with your link?
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Nullsmack posted:What sorcery is going on with your link? oh hello yes hi It should be fixed now.
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Admiralty Flag posted:That was for command certification, basically being able to sit in the center chair, so I can see making sure the person can make a tough call as part of the role's duties that Ensign Numbnuts in Replicator Maintenance shouldn't have to be called on to make (though because it's the Enterprise it's always life or death once a week) Also, Troi had already been through the events of Disaster where she risked half the ship on the off chance of saving both halves. She (and O'Brian, who was using her to overrule Ro) ended up being right but that would probably raise an eyebrow about whether she was even capable of making that decision.
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I can definitely see why people see Ask Not as more mean-spirited, and it's because Chris Pike is yelling at her and being deliberately, brutally manipulative. There's also definitely an air of menace as he gets way too close to her (for being an alleged dangerous criminal) way too often. Wesley's experience was more like confronting a disaster. It's scary for him, but everyone's on the same team. But that said, the experience was supposed to be tailored to the individual's fears and doubts. Wesley was supposed to be confronting the same kind of decision that led to his father's death, and he wasn't sure if he'd be able to make that kind of decision. For some people, having someone with an air of authority using every avenue of mental and emotional manipulation to cause them to doubt what they should be doing could well be exactly the kind of fear that the Academy stress test is aimed at. Admiralty Flag posted:Starfleet Academy in TNG is so strange. Do they only get <15 new students each year? And if Wesley wasn't the best out of his testing group did one of the other applicants cure Andorians Herpes or something? Well, keep in mind that testing center was at some remote outpost. The larger colony and member worlds might send more people in to the Academy. marktheando posted:I've not watched the short trek since I don't think Netflix has added them yet, but as well as Wesley sacrificing that dude they also made Troi kill Geordi in a simulation so she could get promoted. Troi at least knew it was a simulation the whole time though.
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All that said, I do want to take the opportunity to poo poo on modern writing sensibilities:Farmer Crack-rear end posted:But that said, the experience was supposed to be tailored to the individual's fears and doubts. Wesley was supposed to be confronting the same kind of decision that led to his father's death, and he wasn't sure if he'd be able to make that kind of decision. If Coming of Age were re-made today, the writers would drop all subtlety and make the scenario Wesley faces a beat-by-beat remake of the exact scenario Picard faced that led to Jack Crusher's death, and Wesley would be thinking in the moment "oh my god it's just like the time my dad got killed!!!!!!" and depending on the episode's budget there'd probably be an earlier flashback to Jack's death and Wesley's moment would have his scene intercutting with the flashback to show just how much alike the two scenarios were.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:All that said, I do want to take the opportunity to poo poo on modern writing sensibilities: To be fair, they were pulling that poo poo in the 80s and 90s too. Jaws: The Revenge had so much of a flashback to the end of the first movie that my young self wasn't even sure what had happened.
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Drone posted:glad i'm not the only one COMPUTER, SHOW THE MECHANISM-[gets shot by Bashir despite the request clearly being hours away from finishing being made]
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I think the grossest thing about that Short Trek description is it's not just a test of whether the cadet can make decisions under pressure, it's a test of her absolute, unquestioning blind loyalty to the chain of command. Sounded like some straight up authoritarian bullshit to me. Quintessential Discovery!
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Star Trek's been playing with fascism and I hate it.
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Admiralty Flag posted:Starfleet Academy in TNG is so strange. Do they only get <15 new students each year? And if Wesley wasn't the best out of his testing group did one of the other applicants cure Andorians Herpes or something? At that point in TNG it still felt like Starfleet wasn't that large (recall how devastated the fleet was meant to be by having lost 40 ships at Wolf 359). Starfleet being one of the most prestigious things someone could do combined with a Federation population of many hundred billion (if not trillions) would lead to tight entry requirements.
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Animal-Mother posted:Dorn, wear the hat. Haha I hope they sent him one. Grand Fromage posted:By eliminating the virus so it can't spread and kill anyone else. The thing was, imo, that when Hugh said "no, I will not," Picard realized that maybe there is hope of liberating drones en masse. I don't recall if the ep explicitly said that they were hoping Hugh's taste of individuality would "infect" the collective, but either way, Picard saw hope, whether via this infection or just some other means *~some day~*. Angry_Ed posted:Also the episode is Waltz. Duet is the 1st Season Episode with the Cardassian claiming to be a different one so he can go to prison as pennance for his role in the Occupation. I've always wondered if that was intentional. Tighclops posted:Yeah Starfleet doesn't seem to have a problem traumatizing new recruits but going "your hubby died and the aliens attacking us are responsible" seems a little more personal than "the bridge crew just burned down around you" It was dumb and pointless and tryhard and I'm really worried about s3 now (not worried about Picard  ), but Pike never said her husband was dead, only in jeopardy, and that he wanted her to help save him. Now, if you knew that but went with it anyway just to increase the size of the dump you're taking on it, that would be intellectual dishonesty.
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I don't think any real millitaries do that level of gaslighting. I know I've heard about some groups trying to see if recruits have what it takes to kill somebody, but that may mostly be a myth to be the setup for a joke. What I'm saying is that the real punchline would be the cadet beating Pike to death with a chair to stop him from escaping.
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