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53k after tax incentive for a 3ish second 0-60. Wait poo poo, make that 48K for people like me in CO. Nice. Franco Caution fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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This is stupid because they're mustang branding it, but hilarious because it makes performance cars a loving joke now that a babyhauler CUV can smoke your mid-tier AMG penismobiles from a red light.
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Nov 15, 2019 06:16
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Yah name aside it actually sounds like it could be pretty awesome, shame about the "coupe" styling that ruins the practicality of the hatch, and the fact that Ford has botched every big launch the last few years.
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Nov 15, 2019 06:32
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The Oldest Man posted:This is stupid because they're mustang branding it, but hilarious because it makes performance cars a loving joke now that a babyhauler CUV can smoke your mid-tier AMG penismobiles from a red light. Maybe they called it a Mustang so nobody could say it's faster than a Mustang?
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Nov 15, 2019 13:06
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Mustange would have been fine
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Nov 15, 2019 13:53
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E L E C T R I C - H O R S EThe Oldest Man posted:This is stupid because they're mustang branding it, but hilarious because it makes performance cars a loving joke now that a babyhauler CUV can smoke your mid-tier AMG penismobiles from a red light. I love it lol
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Nov 15, 2019 15:44
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The Oldest Man posted:This is stupid because they're mustang branding it, but hilarious because it makes performance cars a loving joke now that a babyhauler CUV can smoke your mid-tier AMG penismobiles from a red light. But it's cool and good if it forces other manufacturers to make more electric cars to compete with it.
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Nov 15, 2019 15:46
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Do you think the average car buyer really "gets" how crazy electric motors can be yet or are they still by and large associated with "eco-leaf" branded hippiemobiles
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Nov 15, 2019 15:53
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My only complaint about the name is it should be called the Falcon. Other than that, hell yeah performance family hauler! I don't even care if it's considered a crossover, to me that just means tall hatchback/wagon.
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Nov 15, 2019 15:56
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As Nero Danced posted:My only complaint about the name is it should be called the Falcon. Other than that, hell yeah performance family hauler! Save the falcon for a lightweight rwd coupe. Call it the E-dsel
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Nov 15, 2019 15:59
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Monkey Fracas posted:Do you think the average car buyer really "gets" how crazy electric motors can be yet or are they still by and large associated with "eco-leaf" branded hippiemobiles They have no idea. They don't really have any idea of what their V6 Camry is capable of either outside of the time they scared themselves by touching the go pedal too hard and for too long.
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Nov 15, 2019 16:03
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Monkey Fracas posted:Do you think the average car buyer really "gets" how crazy electric motors can be yet or are they still by and large associated with "eco-leaf" branded hippiemobiles Some do. I recently got a "just buy a Tesla bro" when I expressed a desire to buy a sportbike.
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Nov 15, 2019 19:43
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Neo_Crimson posted:Some do. I recently got a "just buy a Tesla bro" when I expressed a desire to buy a sportbike. I think he assumed you had a death-wish
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Nov 15, 2019 19:57
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There is no way that the general public had any idea and all decision makers for the auto manufacturers do not either. We could have electric twin motor RWD coupes with wheelie control that could hold daylight under the front tires and steer until you let off the go pedal. Except no one who has any imagination has access to the purse strings.
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Nov 15, 2019 20:36
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what magical batteries will power these electric supercars? Electric motors have never been the limiting factor, and doing those crazy hard launches puts extreme wear on the batteries
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Nov 15, 2019 21:09
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Wheeee posted:what magical batteries will power these electric supercars? In no way is the vehicle I'm describing a supercar. Nor would it's range exceed that of a motorcycle with a full tank. If the Leaf or similar batteries had a proper thermal management system, you could get away with 200kW of power to the rear wheels. If EV West can parts bin electric beetles in a shed and VW can can now build a motor for the ID.3 that fits in a gym bag, all the hurdles are dropping quick.
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Nov 15, 2019 23:12
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Wheeee posted:what magical batteries will power these electric supercars? The Taycan manages it just fine.
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drgitlin posted:The Taycan manages it just fine. The Taycan has never been out of warranty
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McTinkerson posted:In no way is the vehicle I'm describing a supercar. Nor would it's range exceed that of a motorcycle with a full tank. If the Leaf or similar batteries had a proper thermal management system, you could get away with 200kW of power to the rear wheels. So you'd need, at minimum, a thermal management system (weight, cost complexity, engineering, packaging issues) and a bunch of custom software to control an ecu that runs it and manages wheelie control. And an independent in-hub motor system at each rear wheel. Costcostcostcostcost.
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The Oldest Man posted:So you'd need, at minimum, a thermal management system (weight, cost complexity, engineering, packaging issues) and a bunch of custom software to control an ecu that runs it and manages wheelie control. And an independent in-hub motor system at each rear wheel. Costcostcostcostcost. Yeah but the infotainment system will be fly as hell
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I'm sure everyone here will be shocked by this: Ford and Chevy Are Losing Buyers after Discontinuing Compact Cars: Report quote:Ford and Chevy are losing a loyal set of buyers since discontinuing the Focus and Cruze compact cars, according to a new report from Edmunds.com. Brand-loyalty data shows that fewer Focus and Cruze owners in 2019 are buying another Ford or Chevy for their next vehicle than they did in 2016, with Focus brand loyalty dropping from 40 to 33 percent and Cruze brand loyalty dropping from 57 to 45 percent.
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Nov 16, 2019 06:37
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Deteriorata posted:I'm sure everyone here will be shocked by this: They're losing buyers, but it doesn't necessarily mean they made the wrong financial decision. Not super surprising, though, and this is what's going to happen to companies that decide to chase the largest market segment to the exclusion of all else. There are more than enough buyers who want non-CUVs, just possibly not enough for every single automaker to fight over them.
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I would buy another focus hatch tomorrow if they put a regular 6 speed automatic in it. They were good affordable cars completely ruined by that DPS6. The manual was okay, but the clutch was odd. Also, I wish they'd moved the brake pedal away from the driver about 1.5 inches so it was in-line with the gas pedal. When I was shopping for one, it was difficult to find a small hatchback car. Kia had the rio 5 and hyundai had that elantra GT I think, but given the fact the theta 2 is all but guaranteed to blow itself up, I'm glad I didn't go that route. At the same time, I was absolutely spoiled for choice if I'd look at the small SUV/CUV segment. My two problems with those got worse gas mileage in addition to costing on average $10k more. Re: the cruze, isn't the worst phrase still 'chevy small car' ? I was under the impression the first gen cruze was okay and it steadily got worse.
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BloodBag posted:I would buy another focus hatch tomorrow if they put a regular 6 speed automatic in it. They were good affordable cars completely ruined by that DPS6. The manual was okay, but the clutch was odd. Also, I wish they'd moved the brake pedal away from the driver about 1.5 inches so it was in-line with the gas pedal. Cruzes were good small cars. I’d rather have driven one of those than any other car in its class, at the time. Props to Daewoo
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Powershift posted:The Taycan has never been out of warranty The Taycan has barely been on sale even. fknlo posted:They have no idea. Uhhh... a lot of non car nerds actually are quite well aware Teslas will poo poo on supercars at the lights. It's no co-incidence that new Ford EV have distinctly Tesla-like claims of performance/charging and range.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The Taycan has barely been on sale even. I think that they know that it's "fast" but don't have an actual understanding of what that entails. Hell, I have no idea what a hard launch in something like that feels like and it would probably take me by surprise. e: I'm definitely judging this by my experience giving people rides in my M3. I've totally had one friend white knuckle the door panel grip on a short 2nd gear pull. fknlo fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Nov 16, 2019 |
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Nov 16, 2019 15:12
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CornHolio posted:The thing that most states that aren't constantly on fire experience Florida doesn't catch fire very often.
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BloodBag posted:I would buy another focus hatch tomorrow if they put a regular 6 speed automatic in it. They were good affordable cars completely ruined by that DPS6. The manual was okay, but the clutch was odd. Also, I wish they'd moved the brake pedal away from the driver about 1.5 inches so it was in-line with the gas pedal. The Focus did go to a normal 6 speed in most markets so Ford really had no excuse for continuing to push the dual clutch in the USA As for the Cruze I thought it was okay overall but given the insane depreciation GM small cars suffer from I don’t see why you’d ever buy one new.
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After seeing lap times for the Cobalt SS and the fact you could pay GM to up the HP via tune while keeping warranty, I was excited to see what they would do with a Cruze SS. Hey let's never do that! I also was planning to look seriously at the Gen 2 Focus RS because around the time it would have been out my Speed3 would be getting up there age wise. Ford made that decision easy for me too.
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fknlo posted:I think that they know that it's "fast" but don't have an actual understanding of what that entails. Hell, I have no idea what a hard launch in something like that feels like and it would probably take me by surprise.
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Nov 17, 2019 00:00
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lol. So many salty boomers. https://www.thepetitionsite.com/769/568/451/demand-ford-to-disassociate-the-mach-e-with-the-mustang-brand/?taf_id=64313877
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opengl128 posted:lol. So many salty boomers. https://www.thepetitionsite.com/769/568/451/demand-ford-to-disassociate-the-mach-e-with-the-mustang-brand/?taf_id=64313877 quote:
What’s with a ton of them being from the UK?
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opengl128 posted:lol. So many salty boomers. https://www.thepetitionsite.com/769/568/451/demand-ford-to-disassociate-the-mach-e-with-the-mustang-brand/?taf_id=64313877 quote:electric milf mobile lmao
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I want an electric milf mobile. I was at the local auto show. Why don't they mold the spare tire into the floor of the Corolla hatchback? It takes up so much space. I think it's the Auris elsewhere. 
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The Mach-E looks neat. I just wish it didn't have the tesla 3 interior of a giant tablet stuck in the center. At least it has a screen in a normal place too I guess. I'll probably look at something CUVish next year because the roads are a freaking battle field here. GLC63 is my current top contender but that could be cool too.
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Charles posted:I want an electric milf mobile. Fuel tank is probably below the floor?
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Nov 17, 2019 03:23
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My Prius C is like that too. I think they do that to make the floor totally flat when the seats are folded down. It just wastes a bunch of space.
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Charles posted:I want an electric milf mobile. It was designed to come without a spare - they added one as an afterthought for markets it’s needed in. In my market the petrol has a spare, the hybrid does not (and has more boot space as a result)
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dissss posted:It was designed to come without a spare - they added one as an afterthought for markets it’s needed in. Yeah, it really takes up a lot of space. Makes sense, I think I saw it was a Japanese built vehicle so I bet they're not planning on selling a lot here and wouldn't bother changing it.
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opengl128 posted:lol. So many salty boomers. https://www.thepetitionsite.com/769/568/451/demand-ford-to-disassociate-the-mach-e-with-the-mustang-brand/?taf_id=64313877 Said without realizing the early Mustangs were always positioned as "Secretary Cars." 🤭
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