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Balliver Shagnasty posted:Can X470 even handle a 3950X? I thought the 3900X was the upper limit of what the VRMs on most X470 boards could tolerate without melting down. I'm on X370, but I always buy top end boards with top end VRMs. In this case I'm on the Asrock X370 Fatality Gaming Pro which should be just fine. Anything with 6*2 phases should be OK. Usually only found on the top end lines though. Spiderdrake posted:There's a long analysis here: This is a great resource thanks! 
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Got the stuff for the Ryzen (5,3600) upgrade today. Quick temp question.. 35 DegC at idle and 60 - 65 DegC when at main menu and in a match of COD:Modern Warfare(2019) for about 10 mins. This is with standard Wraith cooler, standard CPU fan profile for motherboard and case side panels off. Is this ok ?
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mfny posted:Got the stuff for the Ryzen (5,3600) upgrade today.
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Sneeze Party posted:Yes. And put your side panels back on. Expecting more changes to happen tomorrow with system when more fans arrive. So am lazy and don't want to put side panels on to take em off again tomorrow.
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I recently put together a Ryzen 3600 and an Asrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 and it's a really awesome system, and overall just great value. I have a question regarding boost clocks, and apologies if this is the weekly topic, but I can't really get anything worthwhile from Google. On Intel systems, I'm used to just setting the turbo multiplier at whatever and seeing if it's stable under load. On the Phantom Gaming 4, you can do this, but then the system never reduces clocks at idle. I tried this at 4.2 GHz and it's completely stable under load at around 1.39V. If I rely on PBO, it will use the same voltage and run at the same temperature, but clock down close to 4.0 GHz. Is there any way to manually set the boost clock and still have the adaptive power states? The CPU is under a Noctua DH-15 so the temperatures are not getting out of control.
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Nov 15, 2019 21:56
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Icept posted:I recently put together a Ryzen 3600 and an Asrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 and it's a really awesome system, and overall just great value. I don't know your mobo, but on my Asus x470 it's either force a multiplier or auto auto auto. There really isn't anything to gain by trying to manually overclock the 3600 either. Tweak, OC your RAM, set your fan curves and just enjoy.
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/2.html As an update to this.. windows is pushing a new power plan update as part of windows update, 1usmus said to try uninstall AMD chipset drivers update windows and then reinstall chipset drivers. I still gain a few percent gain on his power plan, it doesn't idle as low though. I may reinstall park control and use his plan for a system load and the new windows ryzen plan for idle. Also Directx 12 doesn't seem utterly broken on borderlands anymore and nets me much FPS on my new modern system.
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Best Ryzen 3600+ Mini-ITX? 1. There are a lot of Ryzen motherboards, but the only ones that support a 3000 series processor are either a CPU-less flashable B450 or a X570 board 2. There are no CPU-less flashable B450 boards that are Mini-ITX 3. There are only 3 X570 boards that are Mini-ITX. They are as follows: 3a. ASUS ROG Strix X570-I https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-Strix-X570-I-Gaming/dp/B07Y2PZTQ5 3b. Gigabyte X570 I AORUS https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-X570-AORUS-DisplayPort-Motherboard/dp/B07T9PC9ZZ/ 3c. ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX https://www.amazon.com/X570-Phantom-Gaming-ITX-TB3-Thunderbolt/dp/B07VXYYG7F/ 4. The ASRock has Thunderbolt 3 which is nice but it uses Intel mounting holes, so you can't use the cooler that comes with the Ryzen processor, so lol 5. The Gigabyte is Gigabyte, so I assume there are issues with reliability? 6. The ASUS is the most expensive, but at least should be more reliable than the Gigabyte?
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It bears repeating, but it's only old stock motherboards that dont work with Zen2 out of the box. I don't know what etailers shelves look like, especially with regards to ITX boards, but it's not like they're 100% guaranteed to not work. You can also pick up a 2200g or somesuch at the same time and just return it.
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Icept posted:I recently put together a Ryzen 3600 and an Asrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 and it's a really awesome system, and overall just great value. On an Asrock motherboard, you need to adjust P-States in order to allow the CPU to reach higher turbo speeds while still allowing clocks to reduce at idle. It's a different process in a different menu.
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Don't bother fiddling around with Ryzen clocks, let it do its stock thing (no PBO) and put your effort into setting up the memory tight.
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The United States posted:Best Ryzen 3600+ Mini-ITX? Gigabyte have consistently been the first to deliver new agesa versions via bios updates, which is a pretty good thing for 3rd gen Ryzen. The memory traces on the asrock are interrupted by miscellaneous components, but looks decent otherwise. Fwiw my gigabyte is pretty good with memory overclocks and has been problem free. I havent read much about Asus, but it looks neat. It wasn't available here when I bought mine.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Gigabyte have consistently been the first to deliver new agesa versions via bios updates, which is a pretty good thing for 3rd gen Ryzen.
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sauer kraut posted:Don't bother fiddling around with Ryzen clocks, let it do its stock thing (no PBO) and put your effort into setting up the memory tight. 
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Speaking of, I have some changed timings I forgot to flip on, what's a good benchmark to see what difference they made? Guess the Heaven benchmark might work? I hate no having a decent go-to benchmark.
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The United States posted:I ask because I've read bad things about the Gigabyte x570 BIOS Updates but at least it sounds like they're at least recoverable. I'm surprised only one user with that board posted in there, if it's widespread.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:I'm surprised only one user with that board posted in there, if it's widespread. Ok, pulling the trigger on it then, I hope I can remove the backplate ok.
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Ok so Ryzen is hot and weird as hell temp wise, is this a known thing ? Very light load (Downloading large game via Steam) with what I think is a sane CPU fan profile (see screenshot here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/vzwu3UQoVGd6KbU39 ) in MSI Command Centre CPU temp as reported in Ryzen Master is 45c. Stress test(CPU/Mem) for 60 seconds in Ryzen Master temps get to a toasty 80c. But as the Wraith cooler is not a horrible banshee at its max RPM and I don't see any throttling I assume I am all good ?
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CPU's can run hotter than they used to, and throttle intelligently enough to not melt down. Seems a little hot. Does it act this way when you use all default ryzen settings?
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LRADIKAL posted:CPU's can run hotter than they used to, and throttle intelligently enough to not melt down. Seems a little hot. Does it act this way when you use all default ryzen settings? This is with a default profile in Ryzen Master, the only thing not default is the fan curve in the MSI Control Center which I tried to tune..
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Those temps seem perfectly fine for the stock cooler.
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The United States posted:Ok, pulling the trigger on it then, I hope I can remove the backplate ok. Is it incompatible with your case? I removed mine ok.
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ItBreathes posted:It bears repeating, but it's only old stock motherboards that dont work with Zen2 out of the box. I don't know what etailers shelves look like, especially with regards to ITX boards, but it's not like they're 100% guaranteed to not work. It's too bad the stock cooler doesn't fit into the Dan A4 because the RGB  were funny when we set everything up on a table to test if the BIOS worked.
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The United States posted:Best Ryzen 3600+ Mini-ITX? WHAT And then I remembered how much of a bitch it was to find a TR4 cooler and also the one I have--the Noctua, I think, is going to gently caress me tomorrow because it doesn't fit in my 4u case that I need to rackmount so maybe this isn't an awful idea.
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mfny posted:Ok so Ryzen is hot and weird as hell temp wise, is this a known thing ? My Ryzen 2600 runs about 5-10 degrees cooler running on Windows Balanced. If I use Ryzen Balanced the clock speed is at max the whole time and never slows down. This is with the stock cooler. 
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Ok so the temps, CPU fan speed and CPU utilization relationship is giving me a bit of a headache now Right now Ryzen master is reporting temps of up to 50c at Idle, with 3% CPU usage per windows task manager(but also windows task manager is saying CPU is at 4ghz+ ?, Master is saying all cores are sub 1ghz) on a fresh start of system this idle is 35c but what happens is once I get the CPU all fired up it struggles to get down to idle temps again once things die down.. Also because the temp of the CPU varies so wildly based on load this makes making a sane fan curve that is not distracting(i.e does not have lurching speeds up and down) a huge pain. So yes, while in normal use nothing is actually throttling or showing any instability at all the above is soooo confusing. I miss when CPUs when stressed they simply got hot and the higher the clock speed and/or vcore the hotter they got..
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Your temperatures are perfectly fine and 100% normal for this CPU, comparing them to a 2600 is silly. Temperatures varying a great deal while idle is also normal. Stop worrying and enjoy your PC. Make a fan curve where the fan spins at a constant speed up to like 70° and only turn it up after that and increase the hysteresis/step down time. You don't need to react to every temperature variance. This is how mine is set up: 
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mfny posted:Ok so Ryzen is hot and weird as hell temp wise, is this a known thing ? Lambert is 100% correct. And from experience, downloading from Steam is not a particularly light load, used to max a core on my 3570 because there can be some heavy decompression/decryp/av work happening on the DL. There's a whole lot going on with Zen2 is that causes the temps to look weird if you're new to the platform. The aggressive core boosting and parking, the smaller physical dies, and monitoring software differences all contribute. I spent all summer going down the rabbit hole, but really. Just relax and enjoy the best gaming value in YEARS! 85% the gaming performance for 25% cost of a 3950X! 3600/NH-D15/PrimeX470Pro/22c ambient - I'm running all my fans at ~650rpm because it doesn't cool any better if I turn them up, leading me to think the die>IHS is the weakest link in the cooling stack. Gaming is in the 50c range, and I'll see 75-80 if I run an aggressive synthetic stress test. Here's what my temps look like while watching a youtube vid and shitposting this:
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My 3600x idles around 35 C on the stock cooler and will surge up to 48 c or so if something in the background is happening. Not sure what it runs at under load because it throttles back fast enough tabbing out to check that by the time I get back to Ryzen Master it's down to 45 C again (and I"m too lazy to get something else to log results), but it seems fine. I got Assassin's Creed Odyssey and it has a temp monitor for the GPU (my RTX 2070 tops out at 64 C), but not for the CPU. Woulda been nice if they included that in the hud.
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Dropped using MSI Command Centre, uninstalled it even as it was just doing weird poo poo. Tried setting fan curves and speed in BIOS instead which has much more features then the Command Centre, using Ryzen Master to monitor temp and HWMonitor to monitor fan speed now... will see how it goes.monsterzero posted:Lambert is 100% correct. And from experience, downloading from Steam is not a particularly light load, used to max a core on my 3570 because there can be some heavy decompression/decryp/av work happening on the DL. Zen2 doing what it does power/thermal management wise is probably why I am confused yes. I am used to CPU's being pretty dumb.
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Crunchy Black posted:WHAT So I was posting earlier this board has weird memory traces with bs components mixed in, but quote:When it comes to memory clock stability, the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming ITX outshines all other ASRock X570 boards I have used so far. XMP was perfectly stable, and I was able to get up to 4266 MHz without touching voltages on my T-Force Extreem kit https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-itx-tb3/14.html
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:My 3600x idles around 35 C on the stock cooler and will surge up to 48 c or so if something in the background is happening. As long as the the throttling doesn't affect the game then it means it's ok right? If your fans are running at a consistent speed then I think I'd just trust the system to keep itself working.
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Mu Zeta posted:As long as the the throttling doesn't affect the game then it means it's ok right? If your fans are running at a consistent speed then I think I'd just trust the system to keep itself working. It all seems fine to me. The system is smart enough to throttle if it has to. I've noted that moving up to my motherboard's newer BIOS (MSI X570 MPG Gaming Edge Wifi) shitcans my performance so I've been keeping it at a July BIOS and it's been fine. Whatever. No reason to fix what isn't broken.
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Any short temperature peaking during idle to light loads is Precision Boost. Just hope your mainboard has time constants for the fan curves, so you can smooth that poo poo away. If you log it with some tool, you should see some sawtooth pattern in the temp graph.
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Buildzoid was rambling on about the TRX40 Aorus Extreme, and holy gently caress, that's some oversized E-ATX board. It wouldn't even fit in my H700 case. Hope the others went less overboard.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Buildzoid was rambling on about the TRX40 Aorus Extreme, and holy gently caress, that's some oversized E-ATX board. It wouldn't even fit in my H700 case. Hope the others went less overboard. I recycled my Antec P280 for this build. Pretty cool to have a case that's 90% empty
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Combat Pretzel posted:Buildzoid was rambling on about the TRX40 Aorus Extreme, and holy gently caress, that's some oversized E-ATX board. It wouldn't even fit in my H700 case. Hope the others went less overboard. Board is $850+, the cheapest CPU the board supports costs $1399. I think the answer you would get from Giga about that issue is "buy a new case" Speaking of TR, videocardz is saying again that the review embargo has been pushed. Both TR 3000 and Cascade Lake X will have reviews launch at the same time on 11/25, apparently.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Oh, there's actually prices now? Is there a list of what the other boards cost? Not officially, but as per usual, the board vendors have spilled everything early in Asia and pretty much every board has already been torn apart on Japanese/Chinese/Taiwanese/Vietnamese websites before embargo. The normal East Asia leakers like @momomo_us on twitter have been postin em. It is hard to pinpoint due to conversion, but it looks like the average board is about $100 more expensive than last cycle, which I guess matches X570's increase. The truly high end boards, like the Aorus Extreme and Zenith II Extreme are gonna be straight up eyewatering in price though. Considering Giga wants $700 for the Aorus Extreme X570 (which uses cheaper Aquantia 10gbe LAN, too), I guess $850 is right in line for TR$ 
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