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I think people kind of assume peoples fantasies are all just action hero which is part true but not universal
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Dynastocles posted:The impression I got is that YA fiction is considered "YA" because of young protagonists whose stories serve as wish fulfillment for young readers. Bella in Twilight, Harry in HP, the kid in Ready Player One -- all go from nobodies to being the Hero Who Is Very Important and Ends Up With The Guy/Girl. Catcher In The Rye wouldn't be YA because while the protagonist is young, his story clearly isn't about fulfilling the fantasies of young readers. holden rebels against his parents and goes and does drugs and just hangs out. when that was released that was definatly a thing some youth wanted to do. infact most ya now a days is literally no gently caress you society.
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Who What Now posted:But you make soft science fiction. And I wouldn't burn it. Thanks, I'd burn yours.
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Nov 16, 2019 23:32
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Well if I make some I'll be happy to let you.
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Nov 16, 2019 23:34
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YA really is defined by prose style. Simple English. It's a marketing box defined by the difficulty of the language used. That's literally all that separates it from Genre Fiction.
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Nov 16, 2019 23:48
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Tom Clancy is YA/flyover.
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Nov 16, 2019 23:50
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I’m pretty sure you can just shorten that to it’s just marketing
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Nov 16, 2019 23:52
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I’ve heard that books by women might be more likely to get the YA label than equivalent genre fiction by men, and that kind of feels right to me though I don’t know enough about the field to say.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I’m pretty sure you can just shorten that to it’s just marketing Nah I've worked in bookstores and studied English. YA stuff is objectively simpler in prose construction. By a lot. There's nothing wrong with that either-- I think it's actually healthy to put a good YA book in-between rereads of Tolstoy and Pynchon or w/e so you don't go insane/up your own rear end/forget the fun of reading--but that's the line. Believe it or not Tom Clancy is demonstrably harder than most YA stuff. Same with Terry Pratchett, despite covering material and having a sense of humor that would otherwise fit right in with the YA set. It's why most of Neil Gaiman's stuff would go into "Fantasy" but he deliberately wrote down so The Graveyard Book would go in YA.
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Shbobdb posted:Thank you so much! It's perfect in it's awfulness. Happy I stumbled upon this itt because I saw you post in another thread and thought like, that was a picture of you and something you may have actually said. I really had the urge to cause you some form of bodily harm but it's not actually you. So, like, I'm good. I'm calm now.
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Nov 17, 2019 00:03
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Where does Richard Scarry fall in all of this?
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Nov 17, 2019 00:06
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Into heaven and our hearts (Busy World of Richard Scarry unironically owns)
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mind the walrus posted:Same with Terry Pratchett, despite covering material and having a sense of humor that would otherwise fit right in with the YA set. Pratchett characterized some of his work as “for young people,” in particular the Tiffany Aching books, and (to bear out your point) he wrote those books in simpler prose. They’re very smart books nonetheless, but they’re much easier for younger readers. mind the walrus posted:Into heaven and our hearts (Busy World of Richard Scarry unironically owns) 
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Nov 17, 2019 00:23
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To me the hallmark of "Young Adult" fiction was always characterized more or less by "some kid in their early teens suddenly has a very important position/abilities for no reason except fate/happenstance, this appeals to anyone who wants to feel special but doesn't like the idea of having to work for it." But you probably can't shove all of it in that box.
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Not to distract from this fascinating discussion of young adult literature but it looks like there might be a new source of IOSM (assuming this thread ever talks about IOSM again): https://www.techspot.com/news/82780-wikipedia-jimmy-wales-has-launched-alternative-facebook-twitter.html quote:Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales is launching a social-media website called WT: Social. The platform aims to compete with Facebook and Twitter, except instead of funding it using advertising, Wales is taking a page from the Wikipedia playbook and financing it through user donations. Probably gonna flop but it would be nice to see some kind of open platform take on the corporate shitholes.
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turd in my singlet posted:Probably gonna flop but it would be nice to see some kind of open platform take on the corporate shitholes. I mean, yes, but also I read that everything posted on there is editable by anyone so lol
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Nov 17, 2019 01:49
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It’s like when lowtax made lifaces account on here editable by anyone. Fun for everyone!
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turd in my singlet posted:Not to distract from this fascinating discussion of young adult literature but it looks like there might be a new source of IOSM (assuming this thread ever talks about IOSM again): We are all idiots, and a computer forum is a form of social media, so therefore all posts in this thread are always on topic.
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turd in my singlet posted:Not to distract from this fascinating discussion of young adult literature but it looks like there might be a new source of IOSM (assuming this thread ever talks about IOSM again): Tinder except wiki edit is going to be loving amazing. wales42069: my dick is
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goatsestretchgoals posted:wales42069: my dick is [citation needed]
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That is gonna flop loving hard
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goatsestretchgoals posted:wales42069: my dick is This article is a stub. You can help by expanding it.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Tinder except wiki edit is going to be loving amazing.
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turd in my singlet posted:Not to distract from this fascinating discussion of young adult literature but it looks like there might be a new source of IOSM (assuming this thread ever talks about IOSM again): [citation needed]
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"My dick is"
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EL BROMANCE posted:It’s like when lowtax made lifaces account on here editable by anyone. Fun for everyone! That was a blast, and my last ban was an autoban from wondering what would happen if I changed one of his threads to use a forbidden tag. Spoiler, it just banned me.
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there wolf posted:It's just marketing. YA is a hot genre, and sfter the later Harry Potter books broke the ban on books over a certain page count in YA, a lot of standard adult genre fiction started getting pushed into it. Which isn't that crazy since, when YA was a garbage fire of Sweet Valley High and morality tales, teenagers just jumped into genre fiction instead; think like Snowcrash, or Pern, or Flowers in the Attic. They also redid the classification system for all youth literature into more distinct categories so you don't' just have a pile of not-adult books once you get past elementary levels. There's a category specifically for older teens where content isn't such a big deal; it's mostly reading level and layout that distinguishes it from adult literature. Actually seems interesting that the audience got into different stuff when the original genre was overrun by juvenile trash. Reminds me a bit of the anime boom in the 90s, when adolescents got into shows that didn't openly talk down to them like a lot of cartoons did and actually followed up on continuity, even if in retrospect it's just the Japanese equivalent of the same stuff for the most part. Also comes to mind that The Hobbit is literally a bedtime story that Tolkein read to his son. Also the foreword to my edition of The Count of Monte Cristo has the translator talk about how someone referred to it as 'a children's story', while the story has a lot of content I don't think most people would deem remotely appropriate for children. (Drugs are cool, for one)
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i thought the current trend of YA is like social consciousness stuff like The Hate U Give rather than teen girl romances or dystopian "chosen one" youths vs adults
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I think that's the "Teacher's Pet" stuff that gets promoted and has a big audience, but I wouldn't be surprised if the actual top sellers are the same crop of adolescent fantasies that always sell.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:i thought the current trend of YA is like social consciousness stuff like The Hate U Give rather than teen girl romances or dystopian "chosen one" youths vs adults Romance and monomyth are staples; they will always be around and always popular. The socially conscious stuff, which is a staple in it's own right but goes through trends in style, is more likely to get picked by teachers and librarians for kids to read and talk about, so it gets more discussion a lot of the times.
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https://twitter.com/92minerals/status/1195780486829789184?s=21
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there wolf posted:Romance and monomyth are staples; they will always be around and always popular. The socially conscious stuff, which is a staple in it's own right but goes through trends in style, is more likely to get picked by teachers and librarians for kids to read and talk about, so it gets more discussion a lot of the times. dont forget public radio so they can seem smart and hip with their book club programs.(when they chose books I like they are infact hip and smart, but when they chose bad books they're hacks)
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https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1195891461536927744 90% of the replies to this are some mostly-numeral accounts talking about how
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1195891461536927744 do state govs like not care about how bvious their bots are? (the answer is yes, and I think some histroy academic types actually point out that the sheer obviousness is suppose to demotivate people smart enough to notice)
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PhazonLink posted:do state govs like not care about how bvious their bots are? my tinfoil thought is that it's to cover for more sophisticated methods so one thinks 'aha I can easily spot a bot', but is less critical of tweets from more real-looking accounts
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Turns out it's really easy to pass the Turing Test if the tester is a gullible idiot.
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