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Entropic posted:I kind of love this design from the mystery packs: excuse me this card has not been given the rigorous R&D playtesting other cards like Oko, Thief of Crowns received and should not be considered an appropriate design for a future set or anything worth talking about
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Entropic posted:I kind of love this design from the mystery packs: What color would get "all players skip their second main phase" effect?
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Nov 16, 2019 05:16
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PJOmega posted:What color would get "all players skip their second main phase" effect? Red, War's Toll is a similar effect.
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Nov 16, 2019 05:20
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You could tap that in response to its own trigger to get mana to spend during the combat phase, right?
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Nov 16, 2019 05:24
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Wafflecopper posted:You could tap that in response to its own trigger to get mana to spend during the combat phase, right? Only during the beginning of combat step, you can't float mana between steps.
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Nov 16, 2019 05:29
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Wafflecopper posted:You could tap that in response to its own trigger to get mana to spend during the combat phase, right? Only if you really wanted to cast something during beginning of combat, and that's strictly worse than doing whatever in your main. Steps and phases.
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Nov 16, 2019 05:30
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One possibly-interesting note: before the M10 rules changes, you could float mana between combat steps, as well as between upkeep and draw. IIRC this latter detail actually ended up relevant in the heyday of Mistbind Clique.
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Nov 16, 2019 06:28
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ItBreathes posted:Only if you really wanted to cast something during beginning of combat, and that's strictly worse than doing whatever in your main. Steps and phases. Strictly worse? Clearly not - you have a Rabblemaster and a Goblin Incinerator that you want to cycle and get one extra damage on, and want to have all the rest of your mana up during combat and Crag is your only land drop. It would be stupid to do something at the beginning of combat on your turn if nothing changes during your beginning of combat, but there's cards that do change things.
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Nov 16, 2019 07:09
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There's also stuff like, if you have a manland, but think your opponent has a cryptic command, you can float mana in the beginning of combat step, and if they do tap your team, use it to animate a manland afterwards to attack with. (And if they don't, you just attack with everything except the manland).
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Nov 16, 2019 07:28
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Jabor posted:There's also stuff like, if you have a manland, but think your opponent has a cryptic command, you can float mana in the beginning of combat step, and if they do tap your team, use it to animate a manland afterwards to attack with. (And if they don't, you just attack with everything except the manland).
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Nov 16, 2019 07:37
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Why would a Boros land prevent you from playing combat tricks? I’d like it if it tapped end of combat.
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Nov 16, 2019 14:33
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I think the idea is that it lets you cast aggressive threats on-curve. By the time you need to cast combat tricks on turns 3+, you should likely have other lands you can use for them.
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Nov 16, 2019 14:45
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Captain Capitalism posted:You sure need guts if you're going to conquer FNM with that card. I wanted to let you know that I appreciated this post.
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Nov 16, 2019 17:11
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ManMythLegend posted:I wanted to let you know that I appreciated this post. You made me go back and read it again and I appreciate it now too. That's a deep reference there. Had to address some super early childhood memories lol
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Nov 16, 2019 17:36
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Framboise posted:You made me go back and read it again and I appreciate it now too. That's a deep reference there. Had to address some super early childhood memories lol  
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Nov 16, 2019 18:30
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lol the pioneer shown on camera at the SCG Invi looks absolutely miserable. seems like a totally trash format
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Nov 16, 2019 20:24
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Skyl3lazer posted:lol the pioneer shown on camera at the SCG Invi looks absolutely miserable. seems like a totally trash format Why? I think it looks great. I also enjoy playing it.
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Nov 16, 2019 20:27
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Skyl3lazer posted:lol the pioneer shown on camera at the SCG Invi looks absolutely miserable. seems like a totally trash format 
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Nov 16, 2019 20:36
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fadam posted:Why? I think it looks great. I also enjoy playing it. it's a format comprised entirely of the best mindless linear aggro deck from the past few standards. entirely uninteresting.
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Nov 16, 2019 20:42
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I thought the hardened scales deck looked quite fun. Looking forward to building it as I have a load of the pieces already.
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Nov 16, 2019 20:48
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ilmucche posted:I thought the hardened scales deck looked quite fun. Looking forward to building it as I have a load of the pieces already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20FKjlQ1B0 Having tried Standard FNM the last couple of weeks, this video explains my feelings extremely well.
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Nov 16, 2019 21:04
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Is there Single format where oko should exist after Monday?
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Nov 16, 2019 23:53
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I think people's hate for Oko in standard is clouding their judgment of Oko in older formats. I mean modern has cards like busted cards like urza, mox opal, w6, tron lands, valakut etc. there's no way Oko is too much for it.
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Nov 16, 2019 23:59
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Oko is fine in commander.
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Sickening posted:Is there Single format where oko should exist after Monday? Maybe a one-of in Vintage. probably not and also doesn't need to be banned in Legacy yet
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Nov 17, 2019 00:15
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I wonder if anything other than Oko gets hit. OUAT and Goose are still probably going to fuel a degenerate green deck.
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Nov 17, 2019 00:22
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HMS Beagle posted:I wonder if anything other than Oko gets hit. OUAT and Goose are still probably going to fuel a degenerate green deck. They cannot afford the colossal fuckup that would be banning only Oko and still having the format be 90% green decks.
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Hellsau posted:They cannot afford the colossal fuckup that would be banning only Oko and still having the format be 90% green decks. How far do you think they go? OUAT and Avril almost have to get the hammer. Nissa is probably also going to be an issue going forward.
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HMS Beagle posted:How far do you think they go? OUAT and Avril almost have to get the hammer. Nissa is probably also going to be an issue going forward. I think Oko, OUAT and Veil would be a fine set of bans. Without Veil there's only so much wrong it could go. Without Oko fuelling Goose, turn 3 Nissas are more costly and without Oko providing extra planeswalker-fueled nut draws and without Veil to defend against (and blow out) interaction, I think Nissa can stick around.
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Nov 17, 2019 00:34
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Sickening posted:Is there Single format where oko should exist after Monday? Hasn't seemed crazy in Pioneer yet for me, powerful but not oppressive.
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Yeah honestly the blowout potential of Veil of Summer is so massive in a way that no other hate piece can match. Veil and Oko seem for sure, but Once Upon A Time is proving to be an equally problematic cross-format all star.
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Nov 17, 2019 00:56
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its cool how there is currently no good constructed format
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little munchkin posted:its cool how there is currently no good constructed format And it’s basically all Eldraine’s fault lol
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Nov 17, 2019 00:58
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Bust Rodd posted:And it’s basically all Eldraine’s fault lol Oko can at least be fixed with a single ban. War of the Spark and Modern Horizons were much worse.
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wotc: This new expansion aimed directly at modern will create fun new archetypes while also empowering tier 2-3 decks with some brand new tools! wotc, six months later: You know that simpsons episode where they just give up and move the whole town five miles down the road and start over? That's basically our plan with modern now.
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little munchkin posted:its cool how there is currently no good constructed format ?????? Onslaught block constructed is doing fine???
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Aranan posted:Oko is fine in commander. Commander is the only format not being warped by Oko. Play Commander if you hate Oko basically.
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Nov 17, 2019 01:15
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Pioneer is good if you actually play it imo.
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Yeah, on a lark I took an old Amonkhet-standard Turbo Fog Approach deck with only very, very, minor changes and took on a spin in Pioneer. It crushed all of the various tribal and aggro decks it played. Control and Combo were problems but whatevs. What I'm saying is that Pioneer owns so far.
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Yeah so several months later is it safe to say modern horizons is the failure we predicted? Double the price for no good reason, didn't really elevate any tier two decks to speak of (maybe some Karn artifact deck that's now urza), Hogaal summer...
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