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Josef bugman posted:How many of them are Libertarians? I assumed all of them.
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Peanut Butler posted:god the popeyes thing has been outing racists in my local fb groups Yeah I had to unfollow one of my aunts on Facebook because she posted a racist meme that was like "Some of y'all be looking like this when you talk about the Popeye's chicken sandwich" with a picture of some old painting of early 20th century black stereotypes.
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Strange Poon posted:xposted from USPOL: https://twitter.com/carIisIe/status/1195139523325440000 hahahahaha
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Faustian Bargain posted:I laughed but is this real? Maybe I'm bad at twitter but I don't see it on her feed. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1195132507752206336
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Faustian Bargain posted:I laughed but is this real? Maybe I'm bad at twitter but I don't see it on her feed. She has 2 accounts on the Twit site. I saw it on her page, its definitely real.
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VitalSigns posted:I just looked up this episode and uh Holy lol. But don't worry, it's just a joke, bro! Lighten up!
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It's just a joke, like on South Park
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1195407532732375047
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Nov 15, 2019 19:57
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not really germane to the current events but this is germane to the thread: https://twitter.com/MaraWilson/status/1195425467869925385 her cousin is Ben Shapiro and she loving hates him
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1195458854617862144
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Ague Proof posted:I can personally attest that South Park was partially responsible for a resurgence in anti-Semitism. I’ve thought about this for a while, because it’s clear that they intend Cartman to be a villain, and yet some people like him unironically. I think the issue is that, with very few exceptions, he never suffers any consequences. He does horrible things and everyone gets mad at him, but they always just sort of forgive and move on since “that’s just Cartman.” I think the only time antisemitism is seriously challenged in the show is the Mel Gibson episode based on The Passion of the Christ, but by the next episode everyone has basically forgotten about it.
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Cartman is an "It's just a joke!" character they've inserted into their "It's just a joke!" show to say the things they know are unacceptable to say without coding them as unacceptable. But like, as you've pointed out, there's never really very much in the way of consequences or personal growth for that character. It doesn't even rise to the level of Archie Bunker, a show from the 70's.
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Although Archie was pretty much always shown as blatantly being if not a bad guy, at least ignorant and not very willing to change that. He had the occasional epiphany, just not so often that his character got too nice.
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If Cartmen once every episode or so just got wrecked he would be a much more tolerable character.
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Hunt11 posted:If Cartmen once every episode or so just got wrecked he would be a much more tolerable character. It’s occasionally fun to watch the one episode where he makes fun of breast cancer victims so much that Wendy beats the ever-loving poo poo out of him with the principal’s blessing.
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I mean people say "shut up fatass" a lot. Its more of a Ben Garrison situation where they always had terrible opinions coupled with a strong contrarian streak so when people initially pointed it out they doubled down. In doubling down, they attracted anbunch of devoted followers who were also ideological so they self radicalized themselves. There isn't a lot of daylight between "libertarian" and "nazi" all it takes is a lack of self reflection.
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Is Fox News even showing the impeachment inquiry hearings?
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Zwabu posted:Is Fox News even showing the impeachment inquiry hearings? No, they're running "who's the whistleblower" nonstop, as a means to distract and confuse, naturally.
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Zwabu posted:Is Fox News even showing the impeachment inquiry hearings? They'll show cherry picked clips edited to further their narrative, overlay it with lies on the side bar, then have the hosts tell their audience what they should think about it. If no better propaganda clips show up they'll repeat their audience's opinion to them on a loop mixed with stuff like "look at how all those people are being violent over Popeyes chicken sandwich instead of us and our Chik-fil-a" while waiting for the editing room to produce their next talking point.
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"The hearings are too boring to watch, don't look at them" is another big Fox talking point.
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Cartman is portrayed as terrible and lovely, so his bullshit isn't really the problem. It's no mistake that the Stupid Ugly Fat Kid is also the 'respect mah authoritah!' guy. It's all the stuff the show portrays as correct thats the problem. Renegade Cut put out a video recently trashing Rick & Morty over this same problem, Rick is lovely but he's also almost always portrayed as correct.
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Does anyone have some links to studies about trans women in sports? That loving South Park episode came up in a Discord server I'm in and it would be nice to have actual information to back me up on this.
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Shbobdb posted:I mean people say "shut up fatass" a lot. Its more of a Ben Garrison situation where they always had terrible opinions coupled with a strong contrarian streak so when people initially pointed it out they doubled down. In doubling down, they attracted anbunch of devoted followers who were also ideological so they self radicalized themselves. I've never thought about it that way. You're right. There really isn't much daylight there. I think people become libertarians either because they are self centered and unable to understand the basic social contract we have in society. If you reflect even less on those things you pretty much are a nazi because with less reflection you can bring yourself to take away the basic safety and security of people you deem unworthy to live in your ethnostate.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Does anyone have some links to studies about trans women in sports? That loving South Park episode came up in a Discord server I'm in and it would be nice to have actual information to back me up on this. I think almost all the cases I've seen reported are where it was a woman transitioning to a man, but forced to compete with women because of gender at birth.
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From what I've seen Fox News is loving the whole "Schiff kept silencing Republicans" nonsense. Which, you know, is why the Republicans pulled that stunt.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I think almost all the cases I've seen reported are where it was a woman transitioning to a man, but forced to compete with women because of gender at birth. A lot of it got kicked off because of the runner. She was either S African or Brazilian I forget which. Anyway she got barred and her accomplishments started because her ovaries are closer to "internal testes" and kick out a fuckton of testosterone. Shes not trans just a particular flavor of intersex.
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Shbobdb posted:A lot of it got kicked off because of the runner. She was either S African or Brazilian I forget which. Anyway she got barred and her accomplishments started because her ovaries are closer to "internal testes" and kick out a fuckton of testosterone. Shes not trans just a particular flavor of intersex. South African. Caster Semenya
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I thought it kicked off a while ago because of Fallon Fox?
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Jurgan posted:I’ve thought about this for a while, because it’s clear that they intend Cartman to be a villain, and yet some people like him unironically. I think the issue is that, with very few exceptions, he never suffers any consequences. He does horrible things and everyone gets mad at him, but they always just sort of forgive and move on since “that’s just Cartman.” I think the only time antisemitism is seriously challenged in the show is the Mel Gibson episode based on The Passion of the Christ, but by the next episode everyone has basically forgotten about it. I think the biggest issue with Cartman's anti-Semitism is not so much that he rarely suffers negative consequences for it- but rather the targets of his anti-Semitism never suffer negative consequences for his actions. You can tell how completely out of touch with basic Humanity Trey Parker and Matt Stone are, because it never occurs to them that innocent people get hurt when you spread hate speech, even ironically. In the world of South Park Cartman can spew antisemitism Non-Stop and it never brings any harm to Kyle, it never inspires any violent acts targeted at random Jews. It's just a joke, the meeningless words of a bratty 10 year old.
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Hunt11 posted:If Cartmen once every episode or so just got wrecked he would be a much more tolerable character. Yeah, seeing Cartman either always win or at least skip away without punishment eventually turned me off from watching the show, doubly so as I realized a lot of people in my life growing up were Eric Cartmans themselves and it got immensely unfunny very quickly.
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Prester Jane posted:In the world of South Park Cartman can spew antisemitism Non-Stop and it never brings any harm to Kyle, it never inspires any violent acts targeted at random Jews. It's just a joke, the meeningless words of a bratty 10 year old. Very true. South Park owes the public an episode where Cartman inspires or provokes an attack on a synagogue or mosque. AND, it's seen as his fault. Personally, I'd like to see more coverage on attacks on Sikhs. They're aren't Muslim, but they do wear turbans. That has lead to an appalling number of idiots who hate Muslims going after Sikhs by mistake. It sucks that they were going to do something evil, but to miss their intended target because they idiots just makes the act more painful. https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/us/sikh-hate-crimes-list/index.html
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mllaneza posted:Very true. South Park owes the public an episode where Cartman inspires or provokes an attack on a synagogue or mosque. AND, it's seen as his fault. Yeah, it's a good point. Like I said, the one notable exception is "The Passion of the Jew," where Cartman gathers a mob to march through the streets shouting Nazi slogans and they start accusing Kyle's synagogue of killing Jesus. In that one, it was pretty clear that antisemitism is dangerous, but by the next episode it was forgotten and played off as a joke. "Eric is still grounded for trying to exterminate the Jews."
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mllaneza posted:Very true. South Park owes the public an episode where Cartman inspires or provokes an attack on a synagogue or mosque. AND, it's seen as his fault. Come on, now. You know how it'd go He'll end up that episode being celebrated as a hero, as it turns out the mosque was home to some nefarious thing and by blowing it up, he stopped it and killed the perpetrators.
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This aged well: https://twitter.com/meetthepress/status/1191847884611891200?s=21
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I'm gonna pull a couple of these from the Trump thread so we don't get 4 more pages of Cartman https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1195372163127283712 https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1195368569833431040 https://mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1195407532732375047 None of this is accurate and anyone who WATCHED or LISTENED to it would know that. It's important to remember when you think your conservative coworkers and family members are living in a different reality that they ARE. This type of poo poo is ALL the "information" they ever get exposed to. And it's been so effective that on the off chance they read a Washington Post headline or hear an NPR interview, they have conditioned themselves to disregard it as fake. The Republicans have all of a sudden forgotten how an impeachment proceeding works and, similar to the way they selectively talk about "free speech", they're now talking about "due process", "secret hearings" and "the right to face your accuser". ... The most frequently run FOX story right now is over that stupid chicken sandwich. Nope, no do whistling there with all "those people" getting worked up over fried chicken *wink* *wink*
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Always good to see when credulous centrist journalists uncritically repeat right-wing propaganda.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Always good to see when credulous centrist journalists uncritically repeat right-wing propaganda. He could redeem himself if he said “well, I guess that shows impeachment isn’t as toxic to Dems as I thought,” but most likely he just pretends it never happened.
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More state run propaganda and "Dems and libs are the REAL racists/misogynists/homophobes" https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1195544887946596352 This shapes the way people really think and view the world in a scary way. I've been reading up lately on the stuff that went on during the 60's - Goldwater, vietnam, protests, civil rights, Nixon, JFK/RFK, Kent State and Mayor Daley sicking cops and National Guardsmen on folks at the DNC - and to some extent it's encouraging in a weird way because I can read that some of this is nothing new but back then the only real "it's the loving media" narrative seemed to have been mostly centered around anger at people like Cronkite and not a "the media is the enemy of the state" sort of way like it is now. Also, for the most part, Nixonians, pro war types, "stomp the hippies" and other hard liners didn't have their own media outlets to fall back and rely on like they do now.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Does anyone have some links to studies about trans women in sports? That loving South Park episode came up in a Discord server I'm in and it would be nice to have actual information to back me up on this. Does it even matter? Even if it was unfair, even if people actually fake transitioned to win in a womans league (???) "I care about people over games and entertainment, obviously. Sorry, I just don't care."
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Does it even matter? Even if it was unfair, even if people actually fake transitioned to win in a womans league (???) It's a wedge issue that Evangelicals are using to push marginalization and eventual criminalization of trans people. In recent years, they've learned that naked bigotry outside of the pulpit doesn't sell well to people, so they hide behind other issues. By crying crocodile tears about the "integrity" of high school sports somehow being sullied by trans people, they're hoping that the public will more-easily swallow their next argument, which will be "And y'know, we really shouldn't be forced to provide any services to trans people if we don't want to..." It's just very frustrating to actually argue against, because any attempt to cut through that top layer of performative bullshit will usually just get a "wow, that's not what I was saying at all, triggered much, liberal?" reaction, there's a built-in escape hatch. It's another one of those proxy battles, like Chik-Fil-A. No, nobody's "triggered" about people buying lovely chicken sandwiches, they're angry that the company donates to organizations pushing to make being gay a jail-worthy crime. Stop pretending otherwise.
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