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To re-vomit, my 'baseless conjecture' is I'm enjoying this but hope it doesn't have the (once typical) Lindelof touch of a silly cliffhanger ending If that's so upsetting to read, I would suggest a quick walk and some fresh air
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:To re-vomit, my 'baseless conjecture' is I'm enjoying this but hope it doesn't have the (once typical) Lindelof touch of a silly cliffhanger ending please go read my previous post that you definitely missed
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Nov 17, 2019 00:27
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Nah. This thread is way too hostile. Thanks though
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Nov 17, 2019 00:28
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Nah. This thread is way too hostile. Thanks though Just tryna to ease your worries bud, but if youd rather be willfully ignorant to the fact that Lost Guy literally specifically said there is no cliffhanger ending, cool.
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Nov 17, 2019 00:33
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AccountSupervisor posted:Lost Guy ... no cliffhanger ending Hmmm I seem to have found a contradiction 
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GORDON posted:I'm getting tired of HBO timeline-out-of-order fuckery. *whispers* No
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AccountSupervisor posted:For fucks sake you guys. Any indication if a second season is likely?
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Nov 17, 2019 01:48
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Rinkles posted:Any indication if a second season is likely? Not anything official, but Id imagine this shows success will only really be able to determined once its over and they wont even entertain the idea until its finished. Its certainly got better viewer ratings than other HBO shows in their 2nd season but I assume its really hard for execs to get a read on the audience on something this unique until its over. Something like True Detective is an easy anthology to sell as a concept, "mysterious, heady and dark detective show" is a pretty easy structure to adapt. Theres no larger mythology or canon thats part of its basic concept. Watchmen, if it were to serve as sort of an anthology series, would be much harder to do well Id think. I think itd be really interesting to see a season 2 almost completely divorced from the events of the comic.
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Nov 17, 2019 02:12
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I kind of hope the series is similar to Fargo: A pseudo-anthology series with a shared universe. If they do a second season, it would be fun to do one that takes places in the 30s or during World War II.
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Nov 17, 2019 02:15
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I thought the alternate history stuff didn’t really start until Hooded Justice showed up in the 50s. It would be cool to explore vigilantes in other parts of the country in the time since then though E: nvm I guess the timeline starts earlier than I remembered Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Nov 17, 2019 |
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Nov 17, 2019 02:21
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Timeless Appeal posted:I kind of hope the series is similar to Fargo: A pseudo-anthology series with a shared universe. If they do a second season, it would be fun to do one that takes places in the 30s or during World War II. I would totally watch a Minutemen series, or a Nite Owl I Colonel Whitey posted:I thought the alternate history stuff didn’t really start until Hooded Justice showed up in the 50s. It would be cool to explore vigilantes in other parts of the country in the time since then though The big diversions are after Doctor Manhattan but costumed adventurers got started in the 30’s.
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Nov 17, 2019 02:26
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Nah. This thread is way too hostile. Thanks though The reason why everyone's being lovely is that you're like the tenth person to come into this thread and point out that Lindelof was part of Lost, which means this show's gonna suck. I think that's an understandable reaction to the disappointment of that show, and people should really be more patient, but if you look back through the thread you'll see it happens every page or two, and everyone's just done with the topic.
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What's funny to me is that Lindelof made The Leftovers with an explicitly anti-Lost vibe: The entire story was based around the idea of there being mysteries with no resolution even promised (the title of the second season's song was literally "Let the mystery be"), instead focusing on how the characters lived in the context of that lack of knowledge and closure. And even within that story there were some mysteries that were wrapped up (like what happened to the girls and the quarry pool in Season 2), and things that weren't designed to be mysteries at all as much as Lynchian surreal narratives, like when the protagonist has to sing Karaoke in order to be brought back to life, or has to enter a presidential bunker using a specially designed penis scanner. So Lindelof has pretty well demonstrated that he's far from a one-trick pony in terms of mysteries and is, at the very least, much more cognizant of the myriad ways of using mysteries in way that don't require using them solely as a cheap cliffhanger tactic (if that was even within his control for Lost to begin with). On the other hand, I too like to become very upset over things that happened 14 years ago (Katherine how dare you reject me in 7th grade).
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Nov 17, 2019 09:24
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hey fellas people are calling this show a mystery box because we still have no idea what the plot is about and details like the names of characters are pointlessly withheld and stretched out
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Xanderkish posted:What's funny to me is that Lindelof made The Leftovers with an explicitly anti-Lost vibe: The entire story was based around the idea of there being mysteries with no resolution even promised (the title of the second season's song was literally "Let the mystery be"), instead focusing on how the characters lived in the context of that lack of knowledge and closure. Please don't compare Lindelof to Lynch lmao
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Nov 17, 2019 11:32
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Time travel doesn’t follow from her knowing where the meteorite would land. She could have just tracked an object in space with telescopes. Even makes more sense that way as you couldn’t be certain until it hits the atmosphere.
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Farm Frenzy posted:hey fellas people are calling this show a mystery box because we still have no idea what the plot is about and details like the names of characters are pointlessly withheld and stretched out There is one character we don't know the identity of and we know, at the very least, that he's probably Angela's grandfather from the DNA test? 
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Sri.Theo posted:Time travel doesn’t follow from her knowing where the meteorite would land. She could have just tracked an object in space with telescopes. Even makes more sense that way as you couldn’t be certain until it hits the atmosphere. Did she fast grow that babby in Veidts clone microwave once the meteorite hit atmosphere? Xanderkish posted:to enter a presidential bunker using a specially designed penis scanner. No mystery there, Justin Theroux has a one of a kind hog 
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Farm Frenzy posted:hey fellas people are calling this show a mystery box because we still have no idea what the plot is about and details like the names of characters are pointlessly withheld and stretched out it makes it less interesting instead of more interesting
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Nov 17, 2019 15:59
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Farm Frenzy posted:hey fellas people are calling this show a mystery box because we still have no idea what the plot is about and details like the names of characters are pointlessly withheld and stretched out EDIT: I mean we take it for granted that we know the ending of Watchmen. I don't think we conceptualize the story being about "an unhinged superhero trying to solve a conspiracy to murder former heroes and villains" because when you get the ending a lot of the disparate elements like The Black Freighter, Dr. Manhattan's story, the moments at the newsstand, Rorschach's psychologist, and the uneasy complexity of the Comedian and Silk Spectre's relationship don't really fully congeal till the end. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Nov 17, 2019 |
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Theres a level of paranoid delusion people bring to this show thats been pointed out to be baseless and false practically every single page at this point and its becoming tired. Theres a difference between criticism and lazy accusations that Google can disprove in like 15 seconds.
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Nov 17, 2019 17:42
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Trieu Detective ....is that anything?
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Nov 17, 2019 18:42
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"Time is a flacid blue penis"
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AccountSupervisor posted:Theres a level of paranoid delusion people bring to this show thats been pointed out to be baseless and false practically every single page at this point and its becoming tired.
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Nov 17, 2019 19:49
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Gorn Myson posted:Bare in mind, we are talking about comic book fans here, the same sort of fans that say "Snyder's Watchmen movie missed the point of the comic" and then fail to elaborate on what that means but they all agree with the sentiment. The issue is that most people don't really understand what it's like to work on a production, but there a lot of people who also have a weird need to play inside baseball or have a hot-take. And I don't want to pretend I don't get the appeal of it. I love devouring behind the scenes information and it's fun to have conversations that overthink things. But sometimes it's also fun to just surrender yourself to a piece of fiction, watching it without the need to be smarter or more clever than it.
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Timeless Appeal posted:But sometimes it's also fun to just surrender yourself to a piece of fiction, watching it without the need to be smarter or more clever than it. My social media dopamine rush is more important than letting art speak for itself, sorry.
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Nov 17, 2019 20:44
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Timeless Appeal posted:Broad generalities and strawmen aren't really the answer either. But hardcore pedantic comic book nerds can still gently caress right off.
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Gorn Myson posted:Bare in mind, we are talking about comic book fans here, the same sort of fans that say "Snyder's Watchmen movie missed the point of the comic" and then fail to elaborate on what that means but they all agree with the sentiment. Snyder's Watchmen movie missed the point of the comic, instead of being a serialized work of printed sequential art in 1987 it was a series of still images projected in rapid succession to create the illusion of movement in 2009.
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Sleeveless posted:Snyder's Watchmen movie missed the point of the comic, instead of being a serialized work of printed sequential art in 1987 it was a series of still images projected in rapid succession to create the illusion of movement in 2009. what a hack
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Sleeveless posted:Snyder's Watchmen movie missed the point of the comic, instead of being a serialized work of printed sequential art in 1987 it was a series of still images projected in rapid succession to create the illusion of movement in 2009.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:There is one character we don't know the identity of and we know, at the very least, that he's probably Angela's grandfather from the DNA test? It took ages for the show to confirm that the guy who is almost certainly ozymandias is ozymandias and I don't really think the ambiguity added anything. It just feels like its just there to incite speculation. I'm enjoying lots of the show but this sorta stuff has left me not really invested in what's going on.
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Don't understand the notion that Leftovers was abruptly cancelled. You could say they were only given one season to wrap it up, but S3 is pretty self contained.
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Farm Frenzy posted:It took ages for the show to confirm that the guy who is almost certainly ozymandias is ozymandias and I don't really think the ambiguity added anything. It just feels like its just there to incite speculation. I'm enjoying lots of the show but this sorta stuff has left me not really invested in what's going on. I don’t understand how anyone ever doubted he was ozymandias. Like, it was announced that actor was cast as Veidt, he was acting like Veidt, and just because he hadn’t put on his silly costume people were speculating it wasn’t him?? I think that “ambiguity” was there because people wanted some Lostish mystery to complain about, it seemed pretty obvious who th character was.
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Bushido Brown posted:Don't understand the notion that Leftovers was abruptly cancelled. You could say they were only given one season to wrap it up, but S3 is pretty self contained.
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beanieson posted:I don’t understand how anyone ever doubted he was ozymandias. Like, it was announced that actor was cast as Veidt, he was acting like Veidt, and just because he hadn’t put on his silly costume people were speculating it wasn’t him?? His horse was named after Alexander the Great’s horse. Like, even if they didn’t show the costume yet that’s an Ozymandias-rear end move. The only ambiguity was, like you said, people trying to read ambiguity into it because they figured Lindelof was going to Lost it up.
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Honestly, I just took the big Adrian declaration more to service audience members who haven't read the comic. He says his name when his name becomes relevant to the rest of the plot. But plotwise, it's also an assertion. We don't exactly know how Adrian ended up in his prison, but we've caught him as he's breaking out of a sort of complacency and reclaiming his stature. It's the same as referring back to his "I did it.." speech. Also I don't feel like I actually know if this character is actually Adrian.
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If you're concerned about "mysteries!!! unexplained details!!!!" Just stop watching and come back when all the episodes are out. The OG Watchmen was also a mystery with a lot of unexplained stuff until the final chapter. Also, people forget that it was not originally a trade paperback but 1 issue a month for 12 months — its place in the graphic novel canon was secured after the full story was released. Chapters 1-11 were a fun read, but until the last issue I can imagine similar complaints of "mystery for its own sake!" or "the antagonist's plan is not clear!!" I'm enjoying watching these episodes as they come out which is why I'm in this thread at all. I myself am reserving final judgment on the quality of the show (both on its own merits and as an adaptation) until the last episode, because I can't fairly judge a story until I see it through to the end. But TBH if you just aren't into a story that withholds some details til later....just binge it after the fact (if you watch it at all). Not that complex honestly.
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I have some new guesses. The meteor last episode was Adrian Veidt escaping his mars prison. The main black lady is the baby girl that is in the opening of the season during the riots. She is also a clone.
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to answer the question posed by this thread's title, my mid-seventies boomer parents watch and love this poo poo. kinda shocking. don johnson is like a gateway drugs for olds.
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Tenzarin posted:I have some new guesses. I don’t think she’s a clone, that would have come up with the dna testing stuff at the museum.
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