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I find it really surprising that after a lengthy and repeated discussion of droid rights and sentience most people just go "hell yes!" when a pseudo cop (bounty hunting is apparently a legal, regulated profession in SW universe), who is the main character of a kid friendly tv show, murders a bunch of desert dwelling aliens who were posing no threat to him for messing up his spaceship. Nope nothing weird about that.
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Is this your first Western?
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Nov 18, 2019 12:41
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Yeah I think one thing this decadent thread has shown us is that the protagonists of SW are vile and classist and racist.
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Nov 18, 2019 12:43
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High Lord Elbow posted:Is this your first Western? I don't remember seeing a western where the protagonist does a thing like that. I can imagine that happening in like a 50s western with the victims being native americans but I don't think that would be doing the Mandalorian any favors.
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Nov 18, 2019 12:51
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teagone posted:Imagine being mad that Jawas were in an episode of a live-action Star Wars show. Some of whom got disintegrated by a Mandalorian bounty hunter. haha I get all those references Plug this thin Star Warsy veneer into my veins!
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Nov 18, 2019 12:51
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The Jawa murder could work within the story if it was presented as a mistake. The Mandalorian shoots a bunch of them but then he learns they are people too and maybe he should have tried talking to them first. This almost happens within the episode, but not really. The first episode doesn't really establish the Mandalorian as a "shoot first, ask questions later" guy. He's a thinking man, who is open to learning, cooperating with others and apparently likes cute little babies. Then in the second episode he doesn't learn to have any compassion for Jawas. He's annoyed with them and shows contempt for their egg obsession. The Jawa disintegration is also presentet as a gag - the Jawas disappear with a funyn noise and the only thing left is their cloak. This results in the Jawa killing being a bad idea but only because it didn't work, not because it was wrong. Anakin killing the sand people in AOTC is presented as a tragic turn in his story. He wasn't justified in killing them, even though they were responsible for the death of his mother. Anakin himself even realizes that. The Mandalorian killing Jawas is no big deal to him or the story.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:18
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The Mandalorian is a racist
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Nov 18, 2019 13:47
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i wouldnt be surprised if she ends up captured or almost lynched by an angry mob of little scavenger peoples
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Nov 18, 2019 13:52
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The Mandelorian is pissed off that his only way off this backwater desert planet was destroyed and also a bit scared because he knows there's a bunch of other bounty hunters on the way. Also he's not much of a talker, but he's really good at killing. So his first thought is to try to take his ship back by force, which fails miserably. It's a little unfortunate that the Jawa deaths are played for comedy and seen as acceptable but I mean you laughed too so
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Nov 18, 2019 13:55
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The Jawas are mostly cool with getting killed. They're horse thieves, they know sometimes that is going to get you shot.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:01
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Anyway, Jon Favreau said he is open to making a new Holiday Special. Maybe Mando here can atone for his jawa murder in a classic Life Day feel good story.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:16
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Jawas are slave (droid) traders and it's okay to kill slave (droid) traders. That should go without saying.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:23
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Jon Favreau doesn't care about dwarf people.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:23
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Fsmhunk posted:I bet they smelt absolutely rancid after they ate that.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:56
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I feel there was a Life Day reference already. Or was that just in my imagination (or sporadically watching Jedi Order video game youtube clips)? But yeah, killing the Jawas felt a little racist. I don't know, I have mixed feelings.
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Nov 18, 2019 15:23
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Lampsacus posted:I feel there was a Life Day reference already. Or was that just in my imagination (or sporadically watching Jedi Order video game youtube clips)? Not but they don't value life the way we do so it's ok
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Nov 18, 2019 16:19
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Guys theres a SW spoilers thread ya know. I got too much poo poo to watch and haven't seen the Mandalorian yet
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Nov 18, 2019 16:21
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Lampsacus posted:But yeah, killing the Jawas felt a little racist. I don't know, I have mixed feelings. Cat Machine posted:Jawas are slave (droid) traders and it's okay to kill slave (droid) traders. That should go without saying.
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Nov 18, 2019 17:38
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Havent watched but is the show on tatooine, or is it on another new desert planet that also has jawas it's jakku
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Nov 18, 2019 17:49
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Cat Machine posted:Jawas are slave (droid) traders and it's okay to kill slave (droid) traders. That should go without saying. You need to be careful. The Jawas on tatooine/Jakku were slave traders. We don't know enough about the Jawas on not-tatooine/Jakku to make that judgement.
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Nov 18, 2019 17:52
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They were horse thieves
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Nov 18, 2019 18:03
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We don't see any droids in Jawa's possession on the Mandalorian. It's a different planet and a different bunch of Jawas. Nothing on the show itself suggests these guys keep droid slaves and it has no relation to the scene in question. The Mandalorian is not killing the Jawas because he knows they are slavers and hates that, but because they are jacking his car. If you are content with interpreting the scene with reference to the broader context of the Star Wars universe (jawas are slavers and deserve death), that's fine, but it ignores the way the scene plays out in the series itself. It also clashes with the fact that the episode doesn't show the Jawa killing to be justified in any way. Jawas are shown to be funny little creatures that love to eat egg and do nothing wrong except disassemble the Mandalorian's ship. I'm not saying that the character of the Mandalorian is racist or supposed to be racist, but that the showrunners included a scene with racist implications (especially problematic in the US where people of color are frequently shot for minor or nonexistent offences), which can't be hand waved with a questionable in-universe justification.
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Nov 18, 2019 18:05
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Captain Jesus posted:I find it really surprising that after a lengthy and repeated discussion of droid rights and sentience most people just go "hell yes!" when a pseudo cop (bounty hunting is apparently a legal, regulated profession in SW universe), who is the main character of a kid friendly tv show, murders a bunch of desert dwelling aliens who were posing no threat to him for messing up his spaceship. Nope nothing weird about that. I'm messing up his spaceship, you're breaking my property, they are potentially stranding him on a planet that hardly seems survivable.
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Nov 18, 2019 18:08
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Captain Jesus posted:We don't see any droids in Jawa's possession on the Mandalorian. It's a different planet and a different bunch of Jawas. Nothing on the show itself suggests these guys keep droid slaves and it has no relation to the scene in question. The Mandalorian is not killing the Jawas because he knows they are slavers and hates that, but because they are jacking his car. If you are content with interpreting the scene with reference to the broader context of the Star Wars universe (jawas are slavers and deserve death), that's fine, but it ignores the way the scene plays out in the series itself. It also clashes with the fact that the episode doesn't show the Jawa killing to be justified in any way. Jawas are shown to be funny little creatures that love to eat egg and do nothing wrong except disassemble the Mandalorian's ship. Dude they're loving Jawas lol, it's played for comedy because they aren't real.
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Nov 18, 2019 18:26
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Fsmhunk posted:Dude they're loving Jawas lol, it's played for comedy because they aren't real. Get this racist poo poo out of this thread
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Nov 18, 2019 18:27
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In 5 lifetimes Mando could not kill as many jawa as I did in one playthrough of the Super Star Wars SNES game
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Nov 18, 2019 18:29
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so is "Mando" his name or is everyone calling him like the star wars equivalent of "Paki"
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Nov 18, 2019 18:38
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it's a sexy amazon woman but ok, mando is her name
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Nov 18, 2019 18:40
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:so is "Mando" his name or is everyone calling him like the star wars equivalent of "Paki" It's almost as bad as calling Tatooine's natives the j-word
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Nov 18, 2019 18:45
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Wild Horses posted:it's a sexy amazon woman but ok, mando is her name is this a real thing, because IMDb lists no character name, and Pedro Pascal as the actor. like, not to assume someone's gender and pronouns but...
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Nov 18, 2019 18:51
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let me dream okay. i always had a thing for athene-looking warrior queens
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Nov 18, 2019 18:58
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BiggestBatman posted:I'm messing up his spaceship, you're breaking my property, they are potentially stranding him on a planet that hardly seems survivable. It's what the second guy says - it's not a real situation and I'm not interpreting it as a real situation. It's a scene constructed for the show. Fsmhunk posted:Dude they're loving Jawas lol, it's played for comedy because they aren't real. This stupid argument has already been settled by SMG once and for all: SuperMechagodzilla posted:If you can’t be racist against fictional characters, then prove it: call Mace Windu the n-word.
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Nov 18, 2019 19:08
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i’ll step up. Mace Windu is a Nice man
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Nov 18, 2019 19:28
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Mandrel posted:i’ll step up. Mace Windu was strong in the dark side. He let his fear and anger control him.
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Nov 18, 2019 19:44
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Captain Jesus posted:It's what the second guy says - it's not a real situation and I'm not interpreting it as a real situation. It's a scene constructed for the show. But that's a slur against black people, who exist in the real world, unlike Jawas, which do not.
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Nov 18, 2019 20:23
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Fsmhunk posted:But that's a slur against black people, who exist in the real world, unlike Jawas, which do not. Guns and murder exist in the real world, unlike Mace WIndu, who does not.
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Nov 18, 2019 20:29
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Mace exists. Windu exists, it's the Japanese word for wind probably
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Nov 18, 2019 20:33
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Fsmhunk posted:But that's a slur against black people, who exist in the real world, unlike Jawas, which do not. They represent strange incomprehensible foreigners, while showing some traits that could be related to real groups of people. It’s like Neimodians being read as asian stereotypes, only not as apparent.
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Nov 18, 2019 20:35
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Personally, I'm shocked that the bounty hunter isn't always a nice guy.
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Mace Windu is an alien, he's not descended from anyone from Africa.
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