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gh0stpinballa posted:you joke but claire wordley has been busy drumming up support for the bolivian coup for some time, and is friends with that jhanisse daza human rights foundation ghoul i've belatedly come to the conclusion that the police/state security apparatus got tired of going undercover in green movements and decided to just make their own they were in control of instead. this tweet is for you btw lol https://twitter.com/RuairiWood/status/1196421662230687744?s=20
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CGI Stardust posted:almost like social labour to construct, shape, and reproduce society is part of human... species... being? and when we can't participate in that we experience... alienation? hmm. curious Don't get me started on species being. It's easily one of Marc's vaguest ideas that doesn't really make sense in his writing (and also because I've forgotten most of it)
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Rarity posted:Big shout out to the people recommending a hot water bottle. I fell asleep on one for 1.5 hours and when I woke up I felt great. I think that's going to be the majority of what I can manage today though. Can anyone recommend a good podcast? Seconding recommendations for Regular Features and Retronauts. For RF the Christmas episodes are seasonal now and include Steve's Crimblemas segments which are some of the best content to come out of it. If you like Bob Mackey on Retronauts you may well like his Talking Simpsons podcast, either do a chronological listen or pick out coverage of some favourite episodes. They get guests from Chapo and Citations Needed o give an idea of their politics, and the likes of Super Eyepatch Wolf, Botchamania's Maffew and Mr Philosophy tube. Edit: Waypoint Radio is one of my regular game podcasts, also very socialist.
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Nah I feel like the thread has gone deep into technical ideas that just aren't anywhere near being implemented on the ground. You have great taste and great vision but who's going to practice any of this poo poo really? I get that the idea of working less hours in more socially tied jobs is wonderful, etc. Practically, in the real world, assuming leninism isn't happening, what takes someone going to their computer touching cubicle on the regular away from whatever horrors it is that we've identified and into this lovely picture of a socially connected workforce with fewer working hours? Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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When we remove the need to pointlessly slave away at jobs which shouldn't exist, we should also provide people with other opportunities to fill their time. This should take the form of both volunteering opportunities with encouragement to do some kind of volunteering, as well as just places to go and do things. Sports centres, to make use of for yourself, or to volunteer at to help others. Libraries, ditto. Craft spaces with guidance on how to sew or paint or knit or make collages or whatever. British restaurants and nationalised pubs as social spaces and somewhere you can make people happy by filling their faces with nice things. Music practice spaces. LAN gaming centres. Kink clubs. Karting tracks. Sailing and canoeing centres. Climbing centres. Doggo meetups. Organised walks or shopping trips or anything really. Encourage people to do what they like to do with people they like to spend time with, and make sure they're free and able to do it.
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Another good podcast which is as extremely online as us on British politics is Trash Future, recent episode about the Lib Dems are useless cunts https://trashfuturepodcast.podbean.com/e/only-the-lib-dems-can-win-in-workington/
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If you sit around in an office all day for a job like me then you really need to do regular exercise to feel good. Just needs to be like half an hour to an hour a day of something that you enjoy, since you'll never stick with it if you don't enjoy it. Luckily for me I like the gym and also riding bikes so it comes fairly easy, and it makes me feel a thousand times better than if I didn't move at all.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Nah I feel like the thread has gone deep into technical ideas that just aren't anywhere near being implemented on the ground. You have great taste and great vision but who's going to practice any of this poo poo really? A Labour victory at the next election and a successful two term government.
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i would agree that theorising away about how, say, the transformers movies are in actually marxist screeds probably does not really achieve all that much but by the same token i do not really do jack poo poo except give the labour party money and so feel like it is not really for me to judge
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gh0stpinballa posted:yeah i've worked as a hospital porter and a labourer and they are easily the 2 most satisfying jobs i've ever had. now i work in an office and i just feel sad and tired all the time. I have this problem at the moment, I've only ever had jobs with an abundance of work for me to be busy with, now my new position is only half-formed and I find myself without anything to do for half the day. It's hell. Rationally I know I'm being paid for doing nothing and that's great, but I can't stop feeling guilty and getting very bored, and long periods with nothing to occupy oneself aren't good when you have depression 
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gh0stpinballa posted:sitting around all day while robots give us manicures would probably be a guarantee of mental health crises and spiking suicide rates tbh, seems so incredibly spiritually empty. I don't think FALC necessitates the complete eradication of all physical work, just implies that the amount of labour necessary to maintain abundance would be dramatically reduced. You'll always need people involved somewhere in the machine. In such a situation I would assume that the remaining hard manual jobs would be highly rewarded. Also remember that in FALC the use of the newly liberated time doesn't mean enforced idleness, it just means people can use it to do what they like. If you want to spend that time volunteering to help out in a hospital for example - and people would be needed to maintain a human connection there - then go hog wild! Finally I don't think there's an easy physical/non-physical split between engaging and enjoyable work and the opposite, but rather it's classic labour alienation: are you producing something tangible and beneficial to you?* That's why assembly lines had such a toxic effect - you're just making a part, over and over, for a product you never see whole, certainly never use, and which does little but lines your bosses pockets contributing to your own disaffection. I'd argue that the modern office is this distilled to it's purest form - you can't even make the (weak) argument that the products you make and the manner in which they're made benefit society by enabling efficient and cheap consumption. In (lots of) offices your labour exists only to make the big number go up - a number that often has no bearing whatsoever on your actual income or quality of life. It's pure alienation. By contrast, a non-physical job as, say, an independent writer, completely avoids that alienation as you're completely in control of production of a distinct good. Similarly, a physical job might be the same if you're, I don't know, a gardener. An interesting thought that just popped up - jobs like caring are by their very nature resistant to alienation and it's a very interesting development that capital has nevertheless managed to use that very lack of alienation to *importantly, a 'benefit to you' could easily be a knowledge that your labour contributes to the greater good. mrpwase posted:I have this problem at the moment, I've only ever had jobs with an abundance of work for me to be busy with, now my new position is only half-formed and I find myself without anything to do for half the day. It's hell. That sounds rad as hell tbh. Take a book in and have extremely leisurely lunches? ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Mortimer McMire, IQ 315 posted:I can’t have been the only person who experienced a little shiver down the spine at the thought of a Jeremy Corbyn government nationalising broadband.
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Imagine not being able to go online and contribute to the more than 50% of abuse of MPs directed at Diane Abbott! Also: BT's "digital wing", because any attempt to explain what OpenReach actually does makes it too obvious that it's a ridiculous thing to be in private ownership.
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Mortimer McMire, IQ 315, continues posted:It smacks of when bosses of old would offer workers perks and presents if they promised to vote in the ‘correct’ way. It confirms the extent to which Corbyn’s Labour, for all its pretence of radicalism, views the masses more as consumers than as active democrats.
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Lol https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1196436158407938048?s=19
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Jose posted:i've belatedly come to the conclusion that the police/state security apparatus got tired of going undercover in green movements and decided to just make their own they were in control of instead. insufferable isn't he
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Jo Swinson opens her speeck by paying tribute to ~Anita Roddick, one of her "heroes." Hmmmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Shop#Controversies quote:Entine reported that Anita Roddick, founder of The Body Shop International in the UK, had stolen the name, store design, marketing concept and most product line ideas from The Body Shop[39][40][3] founded in 1970 in Berkeley, California by Peggy Short and Jane Saunders who started the French-style perfume store, where customers could do their own blending. Roddick subsequently fabricated her story of travelling around the world discovering exotic beauty ingredients. In 1989, Roddick purchased the US and Israeli rights to The Body Shop name, and the Berkeley-based chain of five stores renamed itself Body Time. Seem extremely on-brand for Jo;
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What really gets my goat about Chuka is he always loving does this, he doesn't shut the gently caress up and then talks over people trying to get a word in edgeways and demand they stop silencing me. STOP SILENCING ME.
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The phrase "Fisher-Price Revolutionaries" is so sneering and condescending that it makes me furious. "Who could imagine young people having opinions or feelings on things that aren't the same as the status quo? Perish the thought!" I hate old people.
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Active participation in democratic institutions - childish waste of time, begging for scraps from the top table. Spending hours every month comparing providers for a functionally identical service in the hope of shaving pennies off the cost of an essential good - cool, adult, very much the freedom that people have died for.
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sebzilla posted:Jo Swinson opens her speeck by paying tribute to ~Anita Roddick, one of her "heroes." lmao
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The latest Marina Hyde about Boris links to one of his Spectator articles and uh...quote:I awoke to find a sweet-faced Chinese air stewardess standing over me in my aisle seat. ‘Prease, sir,’ said the BA girl. ‘Prease come with me. I have found a better seat for you in row 52.’ Well, I began to say, wondering whether this was just a beautiful dream; well, that is really very thoughtful of you. It crossed my mind, in my groggy state, that this must be one of the world’s favourite airline’s popularity-building measures – to send gentle oriental girls, shortly before take-off, to separate fathers from their unruly children. As I unbuckled my belt and rose to go, the rest of the family started to protest. Why was I deserting them? I dunno, I said, but she wants me to move. ‘It is the rule,’ said the BA girl. ‘We have a very strict rule that adult men are not allowed to sit next to young children. There have been incidents,’ said the BA girl darkly. I was going to reassure her, and say how much I agreed with the policy, and that as far as I was concerned adult men should at all costs be protected from young children. But one of them gave the game away. ‘He’s our father!’ said someone. ‘Oh,’ said the stewardess, flummoxed. ‘Velly solly.’ .... right
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Tesseraction posted:What really gets my goat about Chuka is he always loving does this, he doesn't shut the gently caress up and then talks over people trying to get a word in edgeways and demand they stop silencing me. STOP SILENCING ME. It’s actually a really good skill for a politician to have, for obvious reasons Also getting that last word in, even after the interviewer has finished
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gh0stpinballa posted:yeah i've worked as a hospital porter and a labourer and they are easily the 2 most satisfying jobs i've ever had. now i work in an office and i just feel sad and tired all the time. Eh. I've worked mindless office jobs where I've been horrendously miserable and others where I've not been. I've come home from intensely physical work and been absolutely suicidal. The problem isn't work exactly because yes, there is satisfaction in a hard days graft. But gently caress me, so much work is utterly meaningless busybody work with no purpose to make some other cunts bank balance increase. The point of fully automated luxury communism isn't so we all sit in our underpants playing videogames. The point is to be free of pointless labour for the sake of it and be able to do things for personal enrichment. Study, create great art for arts sake, if you want to you can paint your auld granny's fence and whatever. But the point is you will find your passions and labour on them rather than labour to afford food and shelter.
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mrpwase posted:I have this problem at the moment, I've only ever had jobs with an abundance of work for me to be busy with, now my new position is only half-formed and I find myself without anything to do for half the day. It's hell. I've never had regular work so I find myself periodically employed and unemployed or, in the current system, doing jobs here and there while still signed on to UC. For me, depression is a constant and the agitation is either external (this job is bullshit) or internal (I'm not doing my part, I suck). It's not the job or what it represents, though. I just lack the commitment to keep up with my mental health. As a matter of choice: I'd just rather not bother.
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SKILLS WALLETS FOR ALL
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Necrothatcher posted:The latest Marina Hyde about Boris links to one of his Spectator articles and uh... Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh the R/L convergence doesn't work this way you racist loving oval office. Jel Shaker posted:It’s actually a really good skill for a politician to have, for obvious reasons In theory. I would argue that when Chuka does it it comes across more like a child and often because his voice is so dull you don't really hear him. Please Coburn is used to this poo poo and cuts through more clearly. He is the quintessential politician who answers a question you didn't ask because the one you did would be problematic.
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mrpwase posted:I have this problem at the moment, I've only ever had jobs with an abundance of work for me to be busy with, now my new position is only half-formed and I find myself without anything to do for half the day. It's hell. That does suck, but silver lining: you can take care of any chores you have that don't require you to be somewhere. Do your online shopping. Write personal emails. Make plans for the moments when you're not chained to a desk. You can also take up certain hobbies if you want to. Origami, drawing, writing, coding. Anything you can get away with. I learned ukulele because my guitar was too big to sneak into work. The workers helped me hide it from the bosses because they liked me as their weird but friendly security guard. One time a very Irish-sounding bloke burst in and said, "Quick! Hoide the ukulele!"  As I said I consider this a silver lining to a crap situation. I'm not saying: "gently caress your feelings, bootstrap yourself." It's entirely reasonable that you feel the way you do, but finding pleasant ways to spend some of your time may help a bit 
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mrpwase posted:I have this problem at the moment, I've only ever had jobs with an abundance of work for me to be busy with, now my new position is only half-formed and I find myself without anything to do for half the day. It's hell. This is why you have youtube and podcasts.
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ThomasPaine posted:That sounds rad as hell tbh. Take a book in and have extremely leisurely lunches? It's a new role I've just been promoted into and am currently negotiating a wage increase for, I don't really want to be seen to be doing nothing. So I'm in the absurd position of pretending to work when there isn't even any. Edit: am definitely gonna buy a ukulele though!
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Necrothatcher posted:The latest Marina Hyde about Boris links to one of his Spectator articles and uh... 
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But, like, that's what Tories do. All of it  Seriously, one of the purposes of hierarchy is to allow the more powerful to lean on the less powerful to influence their decisions. It's no longer legal to directly instruct your employees or tenants to vote the way you want to, but the power differential has very much not gone away. The Labour Party wants the opposite of that. The Tories and piss Tories want more of it.
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Rarity posted:Can anyone recommend a good podcast? System Mastery is a podcast about old (and generally bad) tabletop RPGs by two Californians with excellent chemistry and improv skills. They also have a movie reviews podcast and a podcast where they read bad media tie-in novels (generally Star Wars novels, but right now, they're doing Planet X, the Star Trek TNG/X-Men crossover novel).
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lol this reminds me of people who really adore Tony Blair who just wish people would stop banging on about the Iraq War.
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Pilchenstein posted:That's a pretty wild quote but I imagine it gets wilder when you tell us the date he wrote it What's the significance of 4th January 2003?
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Good rule of thumb is to search guests who flit between podcasts to find good new ones. Nish Kumar introduced me to RHLSTP, Do the Right Thing, Drunk Women Solving Crime and Off Menu that way.
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But, like, that's what Tories do. All of it Seriously, one of the purposes of hierarchy is to allow the more powerful to lean on the less powerful to influence their decisions. It's no longer legal to directly instruct your employees or tenants to vote the way you want to, but the power differential has very much not gone away. The Labour Party wants the opposite of that. The Tories and piss Tories want more of it. [/quote] With conservatives it is always, always projection
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Necrothatcher posted:What's the significance of 4th January 2003?
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