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LookingGodIntheEye posted:I was amused when the panda guy tried to convince Red Scare that Hooded Justice was actually Dr. Manhattan. It almost feels like a tongue-in-cheek reference to the people ITT and presumably elsewhere that claimed okay but who in the show so far has claimed to be Dr. Manhattan? hmmmmmm
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LookingGodIntheEye posted:Maybe he's not good at detecting lies at all, and his whole lie detector machine is bullshit just like his former belief in the squids? I guess. I wasn't sure if the survivors of the psychic blast were themselves psychics or just happened to be inside a building when it went off.
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Next week looks like the kind of time/memory fuckery and character/worldbuilding drip that I am extremely into, goddamn. Even if it's a plot device to make someone into a Doc Manhattan, it's a crazy good one. Also, like I think some spoilers have suggested, it looks like it confirms that this is part of the show's exploring Hooded Justice's history, American race relations, and their part in the show universe's reflections on masked vigilantism in the US.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I wasn't sure if the survivors of the psychic blast were themselves psychics or just happened to be inside a building when it went off. On another note, I guess Lady Trieu must be giving her daughter Nostalgia to make her daughter re-live her life experiences. Funny thing, there was a historical Lady Trieu who's been called the "Vietnamese Joan of Arc". Vietnam has a unique cool history of women rebelling against the Chinese. To get back to the story, given her name, and the fact that she was getting her daughter to remember a death march, presumably done by the US, I wonder if Lady Trieu has a grudge against the US takeover of Vietnam. Or maybe not, I guess it wouldn't make sense for a trillionaire to be angry that capitalists defeated communists in her native land.
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The flashback cuts were wack, and I think the fact that we're even talking about them proves as much. I get the "they weren't for us" point, but y'know, this ultimately is for us and we as viewers certainly didn't need any extra hand-holding to see that this poo poo is constantly in Looking Glass's head. I just hate that technique anyway though, so I get salty whenever I see it. Otherwise, holy poo poo that was a good episode of teevee. I was 15 minutes in and thinking, y'know, if this whole ep is just Tim Blake Nelson and Jean Smart bouncing off each other, I'm totally cool with it. Also, the 'D' is for Dr Manhattan, or just Dr. Skitz fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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I could imagine Adrian getting bored after a few years and deciding to tell powerful people the truth so he could gloat about his victory, but it just seems ridiculous to me that he would record the video right as he was executing the plan. He's so full of himself and in that time in the comic seems so consumed by demonstrating how he's pulling off this impossible, tragic task... it seems very doubtful to me that he'd immediately be ready to turn around and risk it. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fake video that happened to capture the truth. Like, how does him making the video even help achieve the goal? Unless maybe the show is going for an idea that the secret, unstated next phase of Ozymandias's plan is actually about forcing people to accept a big lie for... reasons. I dunno. EDIT: Okay, here's my own dumb take. The entire show takes place in whatever galaxy Dr. Manhattan ran off to to try creating life himself, and will ultimately be entirely about about the good Dr. reflecting on the events of the comic and the ethics involved. In a loving nod to Alan Moore, this will all be revealed in a way that heavily references the Swamp Thing Issue "My Blue Heaven," where Swamp Thing has populated an entire planet for himself but ultimately finds it to be a lonely and disturbing projection of his own mind. Martman fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Skitz posted:Also, the 'D' is for Dr Manhattan, or just Dr.
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Martman posted:I could imagine Adrian getting bored after a few years and deciding to tell powerful people the truth so he could gloat about his victory, but it just seems ridiculous to me that he would record the video right as he was executing the plan. He's so full of himself and in that time in the comic seems so consumed by demonstrating how he's pulling off this impossible, tragic task... it seems very doubtful to me that he'd immediately be ready to turn around and risk it. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fake video that happened to capture the truth. Like, how does him making the video even help achieve the goal? Unless maybe the show is going for an idea that the secret, unstated next phase of Ozymandias's plan is actually about forcing people to accept a big lie for... reasons. I dunno. or maybe his plan to create world peace would eventually need the cooperation of the president of the most powerful country in the world
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ElNarez posted:or maybe his plan to create world peace would eventually need the cooperation of the president of the most powerful country in the world I was initially thinking that Ozy would feel confident the President would go along with the plan simply because he felt he had pulled off the Big Lie so well that there would be no need to tell anyone how it works. It should just... work. But also his arrogance allowed him to let Laurie and Dan live because he's not only confident that the plan will work but also that any wise person (in his eyes) will ultimately agree with the plan. Martman fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Just finished the episode. I was almost about to cry as the credits hit. What a good loving episode. The only thing that would've made it better was if it didn't have any of Wade's mid-episode flashbacks for the stupid viewers in the audience but otherwise, perfection. God loving drat. Edit: Haha I started reading the thread after posting this and I see other folks complaining about the flashbacks. Feels comfy to see everyone understanding what poor editing looks like. Skitz posted:Also, the 'D' is for Dr Manhattan, or just Dr. Edit 2: So I guess there's a bit of a wrinkle in the "Doc imprisoned Veidt and is watching him suffer and will break down his poo poo in year 7" considering we now know they're not on Mars. Wonder what the truth ends up being. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Martman posted:Hmm I'm kind of waffling on my stance on this I guess. Yeah I think its important to note it was only supposed to be Redford he revealed this to and thats why he specifically engineered his election, sort of blackmailing him into keeping the secret almost a decade after the event. Redfords Preisdency is part of his overall scheme and he would need him to cooperate willingly. I mean Veidt personally murdered The Comedian, which is pretty bold and "risky" all things considered.
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AccountSupervisor posted:All of the background on HJ being gay is 2nd hand from "Under the Hood" and Before Watchmen. IIRC its never really said where that came from other than Sally Jupiters manager saying he set them up to cover it up. Someone correct me if Im wrong though. IIRC the comic also shows Captain Metropolis (the guy HJs banging) to be quite homophobic.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:A relationship between Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis is all but confirmed by Sally Jupiter in an interview she gives in the ancillary material from Chapter Nine, and their fate is the subject of one of the more interesting Watchmen fan theories. Ah ok, yeah I figured it was more explicitly mentioned in Under The Hood but couldnt remember or find where it was said and by who.
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Well I guess we know what use veidt had for his roasted stage actor's corpse now. I'm not in love with the idea of pills that give you memories. And if the pills are a known thing in this universe, seems sister night should've figured out what they were based on Will's description. Oh well. Presumably Looking Glass' ex would've needed to destroy one of the pills to analyze it, so I wonder if that'll be a plot point. Theres one memory missing!!
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WHY BONER NOW posted:I'm not in love with the idea of pills that give you memories. And if the pills are a known thing in this universe, seems sister night should've figured out what they were based on Will's description. Oh well. From the sound of it, they're intended not as a way to give you memories but to allow you to relive your own memories. But yeah, you can also clearly experience the memories of others if you take their pills. I'm into it, even if it isn't something that necessarily feels organic from the comic—at least it feels organic in terms of the themes of the show. Like, I can for sure buy that in a world where there was a mass traumatic event scientists would work on an escapism drug.
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Am I missing something about Veidt being on Jupiter? Given he was yanked back through a portal I assumed he did the same going out, so couldn’t the manor still be on Earth?
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tadashi posted:I'd guess the Senator is smart enough to realize they should not stir the nest by killing another police officer. That's how I see it. There was no point roping in mirror guy, and risking him revealing their entire plot, just for him to get Angela locked up for a few days, and then killing him. The Senator knows both of their identities and he could have easily just killed Angela and moved on, but they clearly don't want anymore attention while they carry out the next phase of their plan. I'm guessing the 7K guys who showed up were there to check in and make sure he is staying in line, or he has been summoned by the Senator and they are there to retrieve him. The senator probably also hopes to recruit him as a replacement for Judd.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I guess. I think it was mostly just luck of the draw, though Veidt did say in the comics that “sensitives would have nightmares for years”. Could be LG’s lie detection ability is partly some kind of low-level psychic stuff. LookingGodIntheEye posted:I think that's still an open question. The question of whether psychics exist has basically been left unresolved and it's kind of a plot hole in the original comics. We'll see. How is it unresolved? The squid-things brain was made from the brain of a psychic that Veidt stole from a graveyard and used as cloning material to engineer a big ol’ mental brainfuck. Psychics absolutely exist to some extent in Watchmen.
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I wonder if Wade's alarm system trigger on "mundane" threats, or if it's just extradimensional stuff. Also the Will/Trieu agenda is pretty unclear. Seems that their "faction" killed the Chief, but why?
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I assume the alarm system is for any interdimensional attack, since it's been 30+ years since the last big one. But I wonder if the smaller attacks also contain psychic information or if the tinfol is just a precaution for the next big attack. Either way, I love the idea of doomsday prepping in a post-squid world.Pirate Jet posted:Am I missing something about Veidt being on Jupiter? Given he was yanked back through a portal I assumed he did the same going out, so couldn’t the manor still be on Earth? I think it's a pocket dimension that Manhattan created. He went to Europa to create his own life and made a little bubble where human beings could survive (to not make the same mistake he made when he took Laurie to Mars!). Veidt knew that Manhattan went to Europa (hence the satellite) and followed him there using the teleporation and interdimensional tech that had already been in the works in '85. So now he's stuck in a little pocket dimension with a bunch of half-formed quasi-humans that Manhattan created and got bored with until he hosed off somewhere else. The warden is only imprisoning Veidt because they're a bunch of backwards yokels with brainworms. They put Veidt up in a mansion because he's clearly the smartest man on Europa.
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I was thinking more about whether the alarm system will detect the Kavalry assault at all. I'm not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but at least Wade is credited with being in all 9 episodes this season
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Midgetskydiver posted:So not knowing much about the comics, is it conclusive that there is no such thing as any weird psychic energy that happens during the squid rains? The squid in the comic was a genetically engineered psychic bomb intended to traumatise anyone it didnt kill. Psychic energy is absolutely a thing because thats what caused half Manhattan to drop dead. As to whether the squid rain in the show has similar effects its not mentioned. I doubt looking glass has any pxsychic abilities as a lie detector beyond intuition, rather its part of his psychology. Real schizophrenics have obsessions with the idea that the barrier between their heads and others is thin, they feel like others can look into their head, or that people can plant things in there. Hence the tinfoil stereotype as a means to reinforce the barrier. In my experience the persons with schizophrena I've known tend to be in the habit of scrutinising others extremely carefully for loyalty. Looking Glass has had a traumatic invasion of his psyche and so he's operating somewhat similar to a schizophrenic, albeit one where the threat is actually somewhat plausible. massive spider fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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I'm gonna assume the next Looking Glass scene mirrors Rorschach and the SWAT team with how the show is presented as a "remix".
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massive spider posted:I doubt looking glass has any pxsychic abilities as a lie detector beyond intuition, rather its part of his psychology. I forget, was it implied in the comic that the survivors of the blast were sensitives? It would make sense to leave as many psychic folks alive to pass on the story as possible. So I feel like there's a good chance he is a human lie detector of a sort, hence the weird torture chamber pod. If he can read people's emotions then it'd make sense why he was the one in there. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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ChuckDeNomolos posted:I'm gonna assume the next Looking Glass scene mirrors Rorschach and the SWAT team with how the show is presented as a "remix". Either it's that, or it's the always heartbreaking scene when Nite Owl gets beaten to death by Top knots 
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feedmyleg posted:I forget, was it implied in the comic that the survivors of the blast were sensitives? It would make sense to leave as many psychic folks alive to pass on the story as possible. So I feel like there's a good chance he is a human lie detector of a sort, hence the weird torture chamber pod. If can read people's emotions then it'd make sense why he was the one in there. Veidt says the event will give sensitives worldwide nightmares for years but says nothing about their ability to survive.
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Harlock posted:Veidt: Rorsach the only way for this to work is you cant tell anyone RORSCHACH: I spent months investigating this and HE JUST TWEETED IT OUT.
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massive spider posted:Veidt says the event will give sensitives worldwide nightmares for years but says nothing about their ability to survive. Yeah, this leads me to believe Wade is sensitive and not just using intuition as a lie detector. I also really like how his interrogation pod is basically the funhouse mirror room he was in during the 11/2 incident.
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This is speculation based on the season trailer so putting this in spoilers but: There was a shot of Lorie tied to a chair in the 7Ks headquarters and it appears Looking Glass or possibly a 7K memeber is behind her building some kind of cage? I imagine the 7K/LG find out or must know of her role in covering up the squid and kidnap her as a result to "answer" for the crime
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According to Peteypedia an overdose of Nostalgia can trigger, among many other possible side effects, "explosive flatulence"
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an expert posted:The flash backs aren't bad editing, they're because the episode is focused on a character with PTSD who is experiencing flashbacks. I agree
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Xenomrph posted:Is everyone in the show driving electric cars? Am I only just now noticing this? I think they had electric cars in the 80s
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KoRMaK posted:I think they had electric cars in the 80s Manhattan synthesized enough lithium so that basically all cars were electric by the time of Kennedy’s assassination. (An electric limousine pulled onto Dealey Plaza etc...)
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KoRMaK posted:I think they had electric cars in the 80s Earlier. They start appearing around the same time Hollis Mason retires; by 1985 his shop's sign is "obsolete models a specialty" (serious Alan Moore levels of unsubtle irony there...)
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Right so the electric cars aren't new, they were in the original, to answer that other posters question. Just had a thought - Keene was supposed to get kidnapped, he was in on it. It was probably a way for him to get taken to 7k HQ without blowing his cover. Til Laurie shot him lol. Why did he have an actual dead man switch then?
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KoRMaK posted:Right so the electric cars aren't new, they were in the original, to answer that other posters question. Because the 7K don't know that Keene is running them, that's why he was wearing the mask in the headquarters. They probably went with whatever plan they would usually have, and he couldn't tell them "hey, maybe don't do the bomb thing" without blowing his cover. Considering they were taking the guns off of everyone going into the funeral he probably figured it wouldn't be an issue.
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