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ryonguy posted:Quick non-joke question: what happens to an insurance system structure when universal healthcare enters the mix? When you no longer have massive medical bills to worry about covering, does everything shift focus to purely being about property damage? For a private person? Essentially yes. Medical insurance does exists, but it's virtually only something companies offer as an added bonus to your pay check, providing their employee a way to bypass the public healthcare system and get through the faster private sector. Basically, theoretically, making your sick employees get back on their feet faster. Most private persons really don't use medical insurance directly, it something you get from your employer. Most other insurance is about property, liability and cars (Car insurance is 100% mandatory). Edit: This is all Denmark.
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rotinaj posted:I have been wondering this for a while If you eliminate the death penalty think about all the jobs involved in manufacturing lethal injection drugs that you lose, or executioners who have no other job experience.
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rotinaj posted:How many thousands of people would become instantly unemployed from their jobs at health insurance companies? And not just some dickhead whose job is to deny old ladies their coverage, but mailroom clerks and accountants and secretaries and people whose job is just to do paperwork. If universal healthcare passes, that eliminates the purpose for a lot of the private companies, and will mean massive layoffs if not shuttering of companies, right? Sure, those people can get jobs in new places, but that's still a lot of people entering the job market all at once. Not a great situation, as far as I see
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anyone who does actual work at a health insurer can work in any office anywhere, in any industry. anyone in management is rich enough that i dont give a poo poo
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private insurers would significantly shrink, but the public/single-payer would grow since it's now serving many more people and needs to build capacity. e.g. for M4A, Medicare would be hiring.
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M4A as presented by Bernie includes a jobs program for re-training. It’s part of why they describe it as a revolution, because they understand what a monumental shift this would be. People will need to go back to school to change career paths, and we’ll also need more doctors, nurses, and dentists so they’ll have to tackle the higher education issue as well. It’s all deeply enmeshed but it’s not impossible to change!
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You would think conservatives would be all over the way reform would inevitably screw over a percentage of workers and patients. They love knowing there are winners and losers.
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At least in Canada there's still private health insurance of some kind. I could also see high-end employer and rich-person-focused specialty health insurance.
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Beachcomber posted:They're so expensive. These devices activate by accident all the time, so yes, it's always listening even without engaging. Just enable the activation sounds in the accessibility settings and check your voice history and you'll see what I mean.
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Any kind of widespread reform is going to see significant downsizing in the entire healthcare industry. There are as many people who handle doctor billing as there are doctors. Move to single payer and those jobs are gone. Healthcare in the US is like 1/5th of our GDP. If we managed to somehow not spend twice as much as every other country, you’re looking at widespread layoffs all across that industry. The good would outweigh the bad. No matter how much taxes increase, it’s still probably less than individuals and corporations now pay for healthcare. That money will get spent elsewhere. Also the part where everyone gets healthcare.
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Anything else, because less money being sunken into healthcare means people (and companies) have more disposable income - in essence, a huge stimulus for the whole economy. And, apparently, most of the rest of the world has already cracked this though nut!
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AstroWhale posted:Where will the new jobs be? https://careers.wework.com/
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ryonguy posted:Quick non-joke question: what happens to an insurance system structure when universal healthcare enters the mix? When you no longer have massive medical bills to worry about covering, does everything shift focus to purely being about property damage? I've been seeing this as a debate point against M4A (as if 'jobs' are a reason to keep up the systemic murder of people who don't have enough money for treatments). My thought is always yes the jobs will go away, but who gives a poo poo? Another large portion of our economy is military/defense contractor related poo poo. How many jobs would be lost if we had a sane government that wasn't at war all the time? Who the gently caress cares! I'd much rather not be in a perpetual war with brown people.
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rotinaj posted:I have been wondering this for a while But if they arrested the man shooting all the windows in the neighborhood, how would the window installers make their living? To say nothing of the workers at the window factory, the delivery drivers, and the most important ones of all, the sales reps mind the walrus posted:You would think conservatives would be all over the way reform would inevitably screw over a percentage of workers and patients. They love knowing there are winners and losers. This keeps serfs from being tied to the land, and it implies that perhaps being poor isn't a moral choice with poor quality of life as their good and just punishment. Volmarias has a new favorite as of 15:05 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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OMGVBFLOL posted:anyone who does actual work at a health insurer can work in any office anywhere, in any industry. I’ve done a lot of contracting work with a lot of insurers so I’m actually going to disagree, here. There are people I’ve worked with where you had to wonder if they had a handler making sure they put pants on before leaving the house.
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food court bailiff posted:I’ve done a lot of contracting work with a lot of insurers so I’m actually going to disagree, here. There are people I’ve worked with where you had to wonder if they had a handler making sure they put pants on before leaving the house. Call center golems, slaves made of clay. Created for work that revolves more around navigating broken systems and office politics than solving problems. Clueless, scapegoat managers in charge of meaningless metrics, driven into mindless petty rage by the sheer impossiblility of it all. Workers with no clear direction destined to fail, hard and repeatedly, meeting goals that float around like a Leningrader in a dystrophy ward with the windows left open. When, "How can I help you today?", becomes a plaintive cry for release from endless drop-down menus, broken elevators, spoiled cafeteria food, and last Thursday's bedbug infestation followed by CO2 poisoning during the eradication attempt. That deer in the headlights look when presented with a problem outside their list of answers? It's that.
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food court bailiff posted:I’ve done a lot of contracting work with a lot of insurers so I’m actually going to disagree, here. There are people I’ve worked with where you had to wonder if they had a handler making sure they put pants on before leaving the house. madeintaipei posted:Call center golems, slaves made of clay. Created for work that revolves more around navigating broken systems and office politics than solving problems. Clueless, scapegoat managers in charge of meaningless metrics, driven into mindless petty rage by the sheer impossiblility of it all. Workers with no clear direction destined to fail, hard and repeatedly, meeting goals that float around like a Leningrader in a dystrophy ward with the windows left open. When, "How can I help you today?", becomes a plaintive cry for release from endless drop-down menus, broken elevators, spoiled cafeteria food, and last Thursday's bedbug infestation followed by CO2 poisoning during the eradication attempt. I worked at a place for a little more than a year that was basically the call center model applied to engineering. Anyone with a spark of intelligence jumped ship as fast as possible. That left only the blithering idiots who think they're very smart, and olds waiting it out for retirement.
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He fleeced speculators, so good on Adam Neumann.
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Ahem. I am here to announce this week's Chick-fil-a derail https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019/11/18/chick-fil-says-they-will-stop-donating-anti-lgbtq-organizations The Advocate posted:Chick-fil-A has pledged to finally stop funding anti-LGBTQ organizations after years of protests against the brand. I guess you can eat there again but honestly the Popeyes one is better. The lines fuckin suck but it'll chill out eventually. Be cautious though. They said the same thing in 2012 Croatoan has a new favorite as of 19:29 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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They still talk poo poo about homosexuality both on their job applications and their websites, they still believe and fully endorse terrible philosophies.
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rotinaj posted:How many thousands of people would become instantly unemployed from their jobs at health insurance companies? And not just some dickhead whose job is to deny old ladies their coverage, but mailroom clerks and accountants and secretaries and people whose job is just to do paperwork. If universal healthcare passes, that eliminates the purpose for a lot of the private companies, and will mean massive layoffs if not shuttering of companies, right? Sure, those people can get jobs in new places, but that's still a lot of people entering the job market all at once. Not a great situation, as far as I see This is the exact argument we will receive from Conservatives regarding a revolutionary switch to socialized healthcare. The answer is - it doesn't matter as trickle-down economics does not work and it's more valuable to have a healthier population that can engage in more meaningful activities and careers. Did I get that right?
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On the same note, a healther economy is based around a populace with surplus income and time. So much income, time, and productivity is reduced due to healthcare problems; from people going into work sick because of a lack of time off, unemployed from chronic issues, and working double or triple shifts to afford expensive medication. Even the opioid crisis is due to so many Americans being unable to afford proper care, taking opiates to overcome/cope with debilitating health issues. Reducing meaningless and time/income sinks like private healthcare will create more economic opportunities; as having Americans being able to spend excess cash on luxuries will stimulate the economy.
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Croatoan posted:Ahem. I am here to announce this week's Chick-fil-a derail Apparently they're just shifting towards donating to their own foundation, which then donates on cfa's behalf to the same places. Sooooooo
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Queen Combat posted:Apparently they're just shifting towards donating to their own foundation, which then donates on cfa's behalf to the same places. Sooooooo Do you have a link on that? I know I'm going to have more than one friend excited that they can eat Chick-fil-A now, and I'd want something more substantial than "some dude on a dead gay forum" as a source when I tell them about this.
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Soysaucebeast posted:Do you have a link on that? I know I'm going to have more than one friend excited that they can eat Chick-fil-A now, and I'd want something more substantial than "some dude on a dead gay forum" as a source when I tell them about this. Sadly, they will now be donating to some organization called The "Dead Gay" Forum
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Who would have thought. Lowtax’s spine saved by chicken sandwiches. As part of the deal SA is now closed on Sundays.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Who would have thought. Lowtax’s spine saved by chicken sandwiches. I won't be satisfied until SA is closed every day of the week!
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I don't believe those people for a second, they did this once before and are just doing something again because they got caught Only time I ever ate at one was in college 15 years ago and I got extremely sick. Never made that mistake again.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Any kind of widespread reform is going to see significant downsizing in the entire healthcare industry. There are as many people who handle doctor billing as there are doctors. Move to single payer and those jobs are gone. AstroWhale posted:Where will the new jobs be? This is the same crab bucket argument used against higher wages, reducing military spending, banning drugs from marketing to children, or literally any other improvement ever made. If we allow lightbulbs where will the candle makers work?
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Terrible Opinions posted:I honestly have difficulty believing people are as stupid as you too even on SA. Like really. Sounds too hard, what of we add another layer of office workers dedicated to loving over customers instead?
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Terrible Opinions posted:I honestly have difficulty believing people are as stupid as you too even on SA. Like really. Curious what part u disagree with, the part where massive layoffs are an inevitable result of m4a, or the part where its still worth doing despite this
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