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Strange Poon posted:during Daniel Goldman's (i think that's his name) questioning Jim Jordan looked grim No that's just Jordan's "look". It's from hiding all the sexual abuse...
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refleks posted:No that's just Jordan's "look". It's from hiding all the sexual abuse... i wish he had that much of a conscious
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Angry_Ed posted:Clearly. I can't imagine anyone (with a functioning brain) thinking Lt. Col Vindman was insubordiate considering he reported the fact that elements of Ukraine's government were trying to bribe him with a Defense Minister position. I mean, offering the position seemed like a joke? IDK, but if I were Vindman, I would not have seriously considered the offer, even apart from personal beliefs.
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zonohedron posted:Once again it's "don't ask questions if you don't already know the answer" so i have been mulling over this and i think it's not necessarily applicable here. this is 100% true in a trial for a few reasons. first, the jury is required to pay attention to the whole thing, and will see the whole thing, and you're bound by the rules of evidence. you need the whole cross-examination to hang together as a single story despite the witness being entirely unwilling to tell that story. a single question that gives the witness a chance to redirect your story is a significant blow. here, this is essentially a political action and most people will not watch this live. the most important thing in these hearings is to get a few key video clips that will drive the tv coverage and other news - and for republicans in perticular something they can put on fox. it's more like a deposition. as a result, it's worth asking questions where you've got a chance of getting what you need, as long as you think it's not going to horribly backfire. plus, anything that will horribly backfire is, presumably, already going to be asked by the other side. and with their ability to push narratives through fox they can just flatly ignore bad stuff. so it's not as much of a fuckup as it might seem. the context here is different than a trial. you can afford questions you don't know the answer to, or that you may not even get an answer to because you just want the clip of you asking it.
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Strange Poon posted:i wish he had that much of a conscious If anybody in the GOP side of this committee had a conscience they'd be admitting they covered for a President in the face of obvious crimes and resign immediately. As such, none of them have that, not even Will Hurd. They are all committed to going down in flames with Trump for reasons I'll never fathom other than short-sighted greed and damage to "the other" The Lemondrop Dandy posted:I mean, offering the position seemed like a joke? IDK, but if I were Vindman, I would not have seriously considered the offer, even apart from personal beliefs. Well that's the thing, he didn't consider it a very serious offer especially because by his own admission it's a weird thing to offer to a lowly Lieutenant Colonel. He still reported it anyway, joke or not, because that's what you do.
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Skex posted:Most of the career people in the government and military take their jobs and their oaths seriously. These are people who could easily make more money in the private sector but choose to serve. And I'll just add, again, because it's so goddamn stupid, that this entire catastrophe for Trump is happening for getting information that doesn't exist (because it's a conspiracy theory) on a potential political opponent who may not have even ran for president and currently might not even win the democratic primary! It is such a prime Trump gently caress-up. Once again, Trump doing literally nothing would have better results than him trying to do a thing. It's astounding.
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Skex posted:Most of the career people in the government and military take their jobs and their oaths seriously. These are people who could easily make more money in the private sector but choose to serve. remember when General "hey, take this sword and use it on the media, Mr. Trump! also killing every military aged male in Fallujah was good actually" Mattis expressed shock and horror that Trump was stupid, bloodthirsty, and incompetent. military mythology is the funniest goddamn thing.
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1glitch0 posted:And I'll just add, again, because it's so goddamn stupid, that this entire catastrophe for Trump is happening for getting information that doesn't exist (because it's a conspiracy theory) on a potential political opponent who may not have even ran for president and currently might not even win the democratic primary! It is such a prime Trump gently caress-up. Once again, Trump doing literally nothing would have better results than him trying to do a thing. It's astounding.
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1glitch0 posted:And I'll just add, again, because it's so goddamn stupid, that this entire catastrophe for Trump is happening for getting information that doesn't exist (because it's a conspiracy theory) on a potential political opponent who may not have even ran for president and currently might not even win the democratic primary! It is such a prime Trump gently caress-up. Once again, Trump doing literally nothing would have better results than him trying to do a thing. It's astounding. The only thing I can figure is that Trump saw Biden as an extension of Obama and his legacy and, since he hates Obama so much, wanted to destroy that.
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Angry_Ed posted:Clearly. I can't imagine anyone (with a functioning brain) thinking Lt. Col Vindman was insubordiate considering he reported the fact that elements of Ukraine's government were trying to bribe him with a Defense Minister position. That dude also tweeted that he'd already spoken to multiple military veterans who were SCANDALIZED by Vindman using his uniform as a prop and using the military to defend himself and how disrespectful it was to demand he be referred to by his rank, so I'm gonna say his idea of what does or does not equal being insubordinate is entirely dependent on the whims of whatever secret lich is funding The Federalist.
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I think Schiff is getting a bit of enjoyment out of repeatedly using the "drug deal" quote from Bolton. Hell, I would too.
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Jordan: ThankyouforyourserviceIgottatalkreallyfastcauseI'mlyingallthetime
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Angry_Ed posted:The only thing I can figure is that Trump saw Biden as an extension of Obama and his legacy and, since he hates Obama so much, wanted to destroy that. this is probably the most correct.
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You would think the GOP would have learned by now that handing over to Gym is a terrible strategy and he doesn't even get them usable soundbites.
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1glitch0 posted:And I'll just add, again, because it's so goddamn stupid, that this entire catastrophe for Trump is happening for getting information that doesn't exist (because it's a conspiracy theory) on a potential political opponent who may not have even ran for president and currently might not even win the democratic primary! It is such a prime Trump gently caress-up. Once again, Trump doing literally nothing would have better results than him trying to do a thing. It's astounding. it really is if he'd had the base republican ratfucking instincts to just push the burisma thing as an unsubstantiated rumor it would have done amazingly! it's perfectly pitched to exploit the "actually," centers of the liberal brain! the same people who fell over themselves to explain that well TECHNICALLY nothing Hillary did was illegal, and therefore it's okay would not have been able to stop themselves from making the argument Democratic politicians are exempt from consequences for corruption on his behalf! but because his brain is pudding, he actually thought there was some Ukrainian server he could dig up to finally stick it to Hillary Clinton for... reasons, and that brings us to here. it's so fantastically dumb.
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TyrantWD posted:You would think the GOP would have learned by now that handing over to Gym is a terrible strategy and he doesn't even get them usable soundbites. Gym Jordan: Your colleagues and your bosses don't like you Lt. Col. Vindman: Uh here's a quote saying exactly the opposite Gym Jordan: ... 
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DebtBeat posted:so they're just gonna try and smear the witnesses I guess It's literally all they have. They can't attack the facts so they attack the providers of those facts.
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Angry_Ed posted:Gym Jordan: Your colleagues and your bosses don't like you Reading from his performance review was a masterstroke.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Don't forget that he was also doing it for evidence of an entirely separate conspiracy theory about his opponent in an election that he won three years ago. Yeah, that too. From my understanding he literally believes that Ukraine physically has Hillary's secret email server? That isn't even a conspiracy theory! I don't even know where he got that from. I've never seen someone so pissed and spending 3 years bitching and crying and calling something rigged over something they WON. It breaks the brain.
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"If no one knows who the whistleblower is, then how is trying to find out who he is "exposing him?"" --Jim Jordan
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1glitch0 posted:Yeah, that too. From my understanding he literally believes that Ukraine physically has Hillary's secret email server? That isn't even a conspiracy theory! I don't even know where he got that from. He’s believed a lot of insane things about Hillary’s emails, including that she somehow printed them off and poured bleach on them.
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I mean yeah, we didn't count on Trump implicating himself. oh boy, more "linkage" and the lack thereof
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Angry_Ed posted:Gym Jordan: Your colleagues and your bosses don't like you He just needs the chuds to see him attacking the deep state never trumper. He accomplished that.
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1glitch0 posted:Yeah, that too. From my understanding he literally believes that Ukraine physically has Hillary's secret email server? That isn't even a conspiracy theory! I don't even know where he got that from. It's literally a Russian disinformation campaign. Kremlin -> Konstantin Kilimnik -> John Solomon -> Rudy Giuliani and right-wing conspiracy-theory media -> Trump They originated the false narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 elections, the DNC hack originated from Ukraine, and the servers are physically there.
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mcmagic posted:He just needs the chuds to see him attacking the deep state never trumper. He accomplished that. i like how he was running out of time and had to obviously rush out the important part of his script
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Why does Schiff just stare straight ahead of him whenever he's responding to other congresspeople? Maybe he just doesn't want to look at Gym Jordan, and I don't think I can blame him, but it looks weird and robotic.
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Countdown to the GOP attacking Lt. Colonel Vindman's purple heart in 3...2...1...
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Kudos to Himes for pointing out that the line of questioning was bullshit.
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eke out posted:good for Himes That was such a good quote EDIT: "I yield my 5 minutes to Ratcliffe". Yeah that's going to go great.
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Why does Schiff just stare straight ahead of him whenever he's responding to other congresspeople? Maybe he just doesn't want to look at Gym Jordan, and I don't think I can blame him, but it looks weird and robotic. It's because he's a Deep State robot. He hasn't been alive for years!! Hilary is controlling him from her bunker in Ukraine.
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mcmagic posted:He just needs the chuds to see him attacking the deep state never trumper. He accomplished that. nah jordan got owned on that exchange he was trying to very cautiously smear him with someone else's words while doing nothing of the sort because it's nearly impossible to respond to something like "x said you have bad judgement. how do you respond" because it lacks any facts you can address and "i have good judgement" just isn't that strong of an argument. that was obviously scripted for jordan who is far too dumb to try and be subtle in that way a written evaluation that you can wave in front of the committee to say "well i dunno but here's objective proof it's wrong" was 100% unexpected by jordan and was way off his "idiots guide to smearing the witness" picture book
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1glitch0 posted:Yeah, that too. From my understanding he literally believes that Ukraine physically has Hillary's secret email server? That isn't even a conspiracy theory! I don't even know where he got that from.
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