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Spite posted:i really hope you are right. It absolutely does https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/
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I’m about 31 and in a very purple state and I know people my age who would’ve waved to vote for a Romney in 2016 but went with HRC because they knew Trump was a piss baby, and he hasn’t done himself any favors since then. An interesting twist though is that because many in my generation are still so dependent on Boomer mom and dad (either financially or more realistically for childcare) I do see people my age leaning R because when Grammy and Grampy come over to watch the kiddos they can’t not talk any how the lying liberal left is trying to take down Trump, and mom and dad are too exhausted and brain dead to think for themselves and believe it. I don’t think that this will be enough to turn the tides, but it is something to account for. I feel like Republican leadership knows that Trump has allowed them to meet their objectives, 2 SC judges, permanent tax breaks, and huge military budget with the addition of normalizing corruption and making GBS threads on the government. The older GOP probably no longer really gives a gently caress because like all Boomers they got what they wanted and will be in lala retirement land in 4+ years. Keeping with Trump is their lottery ticket, but if he loses, so what. It will be interesting to see how the 35-50 year old GOP react when they realize McConnell pulled one over on them and find out the general populous for the next couple of cycles will likely actively hate them. Isn’t there some saying that Lincoln made the South vote Democrat for 75 years? I feel like Trump is doing the same for Republicans now.
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Since 2016 Republicans have gotten spanked on election night everywhere that wasn’t redder than satans rear end in a top hat (and even in those places democrats did better). They are royally hosed in 2020 though I personally think they’ll cling to a slim majority in the senate.
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Numlock posted:Since 2016 Republicans have gotten spanked on election night everywhere that wasn’t redder than satans rear end in a top hat (and even in those places democrats did better). With Trump actually being on the ballot, and all of the billions of donor money coming in, I'd be shocked if the GOP has a bad year in 2020. Trump's approval rating is higher now than it was before he got elected. Couple that with an underwhelming cast of Democrats that don't gin up excitement outside of their lane, and you have a recipe for disaster.
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Nov 20, 2019 13:59
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Sondland is in full "save my rear end' mode.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:00
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As for today's hearings - I expect Sondland is going to be a bust. He has probably been instructed to stonewall, lie, and "forget" details to provide cover for the republicans. The guy is a Trump mega-donor - he wants nothing more than to be a spoiler for the democrats impeachment hearings, and Barr will ensure he faces no consequences.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:03
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People forget that Pompeo is a tea party lunatic Koch whore. This is who he's always been.
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TyrantWD posted:As for today's hearings - I expect Sondland is going to be a bust. He has probably been instructed to stonewall, lie, and "forget" details to provide cover for the republicans. The guy is a Trump mega-donor - he wants nothing more than to be a spoiler for the democrats impeachment hearings, and Barr will ensure he faces no consequences. He's also been caught in many lies and doesn't want to go to prison.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:09
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:He's also been caught in many lies and doesn't want to go to prison. DOJ would have to charge him though...
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TyrantWD posted:As for today's hearings - I expect Sondland is going to be a bust. He has probably been instructed to stonewall, lie, and "forget" details to provide cover for the republicans. The guy is a Trump mega-donor - he wants nothing more than to be a spoiler for the democrats impeachment hearings, and Barr will ensure he faces no consequences. I'd agree with you if every other day of these hearings hadn't been enormously consequential and Sondland didn't look like a rat deserting a sinking ship. The Democrats' lawyer on the committee has proven himself extraordinarily competent, as has Adam Schiff at controlling the pace and tenor of the hearings, and so far, Democrats have scored at every opportunity.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:23
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mcmagic posted:DOJ would have to charge him though... The best response to this I've seen is: a new admin might arrive in 14 months. I don't know what the statute of limitations is on perjury, but if it's more than that, a new AG could bring those charges.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:26
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mcmagic posted:DOJ would have to charge him though... Barr won't be attorney general forever and it's a pretty big gamble that he'll be there fourteen months from now.
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AhhYes posted:The best response to this I've seen is: a new admin might arrive in 14 months. I don't know what the statute of limitations is on perjury, but if it's more than that, a new AG could bring those charges. Because American elites really have reason to worry that other elites, even from the other party, will hold them accountable for crimes after a change of power. That is why Bush and Cheney are in jail right now.
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Random Stranger posted:Barr won't be attorney general forever and it's a pretty big gamble that he'll be there fourteen months from now. Democrats are the party of  . They are not going to go back and charge Trump allies with anything.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:44
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Even though I don’t think it’s super likely considering Trump’s non loyalty for everyone but himself there’s always the chance he would let someone get all the blame and frame them as some Dem plant or something, which means he was totally innocent.
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bobjr posted:Even though I don’t think it’s super likely considering Trump’s non loyalty for everyone but himself there’s always the chance he would let someone get all the blame and frame them as some Dem plant or something, which means he was totally innocent. Rudy was a total Never Trumper D plant all along!
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Nov 20, 2019 14:52
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Sondland's opening statement says "yes there was a quid pro quo and everyone knows." edit: CNN got a copy of it, and that's where that's coming from. Fox is currently on commercial break.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:57
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As much fun as it is to see him flip, I really do wonder why would you donate a million dollars to someone if you weren't willing to go down with the ship.
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TyrantWD posted:As much fun as it is to see him flip, I really do wonder why would you donate a million dollars to someone if you weren't willing to go down with the ship. Because Trump himself isn't willing to go down with the ship
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TyrantWD posted:As much fun as it is to see him flip, I really do wonder why would you donate a million dollars to someone if you weren't willing to go down with the ship. They didn’t think the ship would sink, and even if it’s not Trump levels of no loyalty it’s all about making more money and nothing else.
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TyrantWD posted:As much fun as it is to see him flip, I really do wonder why would you donate a million dollars to someone if you weren't willing to go down with the ship. A millions dollars is NOTHING to these people. It's like me or you spending 20 bucks.
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TyrantWD posted:As much fun as it is to see him flip, I really do wonder why would you donate a million dollars to someone if you weren't willing to go down with the ship. To get a comfy ambassador role and not realizing he's made a huge mistake like he's gob loving bluth.
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mcmagic posted:A millions dollars is NOTHING to these people. It's like me or you spending 20 bucks. Big spender over here.
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This is incredible https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1197152608684781569
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TyrantWD posted:As much fun as it is to see him flip, I really do wonder why would you donate a million dollars to someone if you weren't willing to go down with the ship. You signed on for lavish parties and sticking it to your gardener when you left the country. Getting grilled by congress? No thank you, here's the crimes can I go now?
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eke out posted:This is incredible 
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https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1197152790348550145 (I can wait, personally. I don't really want to see Republicans clinging desperately to Trump's boots begging to prove they love him best, you know?)
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eke out posted:This is incredible welp I was wrong, he's going full flip I guess, amazing
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eke out posted:This is incredible I'm not sure this could be any worse for the GOP
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HootTheOwl posted:You signed on for lavish parties and sticking it to your gardener when you left the country. Getting grilled by congress? No thank you, here's the crimes can I go now? He did get a little too big for his britches. He was actually doing policy for some reason unlike most of these rich fucks who buy an ambassadorship and just throw parties for other rich fucks in whatever country they are in.
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Nov 20, 2019 15:05
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countdown to Trump tweeting "I don't even know Gordon Sondland, never met the guy"
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'm not sure this could be any worse for the GOP You mean the Demonrats and HILLARY Totally exonerates the president
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Holy poo poo. So that's a complete flip, isn't it? Probably smart, if you assume Trump isn't winning in 2020
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I feel it. This is the day Trump uses a slur in a tweet.
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The Fox News headline is exactly what I thought they'd post, "FOLLOW LIVE: Sondland rips Giuliani, acknowledges ‘potential quid pro quo’ but no ‘rogue diplomacy’"
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DebtBeat posted:countdown to Trump tweeting "I don't even know Gordon Sondland, never met the guy" Didn't he already say he barely knew him?
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