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Addamere posted:Oh? More Americans have died from lack of access to healthcare since the Bolivian coup than have Bolivians been killed by the coup forces in that time. different flavors of poo poo, sure. thought I made that pretty clear?
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brugroffil posted:idk I think there's a difference between say US Democrat-style neoliberalism and the rampant christo-fascism we're seeing take over Bolivia us democrat-style liberalism is what supports rampant christo-fascism in other countries. that's basic neocolonialism. there is very little daylight between them
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Al! posted:us democrat-style liberalism is what supports rampant christo-fascism in other countries. that's basic neocolonialism. there is very little daylight between them Yeah neoliberalism is kept alive by exporting violence and undecorous conduct to developing-country proxies. Neoliberal looting in the developed world depends on governments like Bolivia's Christian fascists murdering indigenous people and strip-mining their national resources for the profits of multinational corporations and the sale of cheap goods to global consumers. That's how the system works, one doesn't survive without the other.
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Liberal Democrat and all-around positive force for workers in America LBJ killed millions of people in Asia.
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Frijolero posted:Liberal Democrat and all-around positive force for workers in America LBJ killed millions of people in Asia. He also supported a coup in Brazil because some mild reforms might have happened otherwise.
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brugroffil posted:idk I think there's a difference between say US Democrat-style neoliberalism and the rampant christo-fascism we're seeing take over Bolivia I mean, Guaido supports those same christo-fascists so...
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brugroffil posted:idk I think there's a difference between say US Democrat-style neoliberalism and the rampant christo-fascism we're seeing take over Bolivia yes, there's a difference. neoliberals are polite fascists. how stringently have the neoliberals in america opposed trumps death camps for immigrants? they can't even commit to getting rid of them in an election season and they've been funding them.
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joepinetree posted:He also supported a coup in Brazil because some mild reforms might have happened otherwise. we couped some folks
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On the topic of big corporations selling their goods to global consumers, did you know a standard impulse-aisle bag of M&Ms candies costs 1 peso (~$0.05) in Mexico? Just something to think about when you consider bringing things up to self-interested Americans: international capitalism is loving you over, too, by making things orders of magnitude more expensive for you just because they know they can get away with it.
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libs are polite fascists domestically, one need only look at their overall approval of Dubbya and the Iraq War amongst literally hundreds of other damning examples to see that they are absolutely cool with literally any amount of genocide and slaughter once it isn't within the borders. If Hitler had killed twice the number of people he did but had done it to brown people instead of white ones he'd have a bust in the Oval Office
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Epic High Five posted:libs are polite fascists domestically, one need only look at their overall approval of Dubbya and the Iraq War amongst literally hundreds of other damning examples to see that they are absolutely cool with literally any amount of genocide and slaughter once it isn't within the borders. If Hitler had killed twice the number of people he did but had done it to brown people instead of white ones he'd have a bust in the Oval Office basically if FDR hadn't been wildly popular or the business plot had succeeded the us would have joined the axis
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Epic High Five posted:libs are polite fascists domestically, one need only look at their overall approval of Dubbya and the Iraq War amongst literally hundreds of other damning examples to see that they are absolutely cool with literally any amount of genocide and slaughter once it isn't within the borders. If Hitler had killed twice the number of people he did but had done it to brown people instead of white ones he'd have a bust in the Oval Office It took the USA being directly attacked by Japan to pull us into WW2, and we only declared war on Nazi Germany after they honoured their pact with Japan to declare war on us. Had the Reich just said "gently caress Japan" and withheld the declaration of war on us, it's my belief we would have just beaten the Japanese and called it a day. Public opinion really does not give a poo poo about bad things happening to people "over there".
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then as now, the us has far more in common culturally with nazi germany than it ever has with russia, great britain or france
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Addamere posted:On the topic of big corporations selling their goods to global consumers, did you know a standard impulse-aisle bag of M&Ms candies costs 1 peso (~$0.05) in Mexico? Just something to think about when you consider bringing things up to self-interested Americans: international capitalism is loving you over, too, by making things orders of magnitude more expensive for you just because they know they can get away with it. What? I live in Mexico and bags of M&Ms are close to 20 pesos ($1usd) last time I checked. Unless you're talking about those dime bags that have like 5 M&Ms in it that are the equivalent of buying a single Hershey's Kiss, which sell for 1-3 pesos ($0.05-0.15usd). Localized pricing is real, but also takes into account taxes, as well as transportation/etc costs within that country. Some other stuff goes the other way, though: a Nintendo Switch costs $9000 pesos ($450usd) at MSRP but is usually about $100-150usd cheaper, and the pro controller is about $100usd. Games can be $60-80usd depending on where you get them, but Steam uses localized pricing, so depending on the publisher, the same game can be about 60% cheaper on launch on Steam in comparison to buying it for a console retail. Anyways, this was a lovely derail.
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Maleh-Vor posted:What? I live in Mexico and bags of M&Ms are close to 20 pesos ($1usd) last time I checked. Unless you're talking about those dime bags that have like 5 M&Ms in it that are the equivalent of buying a single Hershey's Kiss, which sell for 1-3 pesos ($0.05-0.15usd). Localized pricing is real, but also takes into account taxes, as well as transportation/etc costs within that country. Some other stuff goes the other way, though: a Nintendo Switch costs $9000 pesos ($450usd) at MSRP but is usually about $100-150usd cheaper, and the pro controller is about $100usd. Games can be $60-80usd depending on where you get them, but Steam uses localized pricing, so depending on the publisher, the same game can be about 60% cheaper on launch on Steam in comparison to buying it for a console retail. white people are raised with the idea that everything is astronomically cheaper in the third world when for the most part it's the opposite
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Addamere posted:It took the USA being directly attacked by Japan to pull us into WW2, and we only declared war on Nazi Germany after they honoured their pact with Japan to declare war on us. Had the Reich just said "gently caress Japan" and withheld the declaration of war on us, it's my belief we would have just beaten the Japanese and called it a day. Public opinion really does not give a poo poo about bad things happening to people "over there". the only countries post Evian conference to allow Jewish migration in unlimited numbers (if they could get there first) were in Latin America and China. Hitler based the Nuremberg race purity laws on American policies. the global north have been terrible gringos forever.
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Maleh-Vor posted:What? I live in Mexico one of my favorites continues to remain that some people think that the Northern/Southern hemispheres have opposite concepts of time it somewhat brings time cube to life as you try to get someone to explain exactly how four simultaneous days are happening when we've got one sun
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Maleh-Vor posted:What? I live in Mexico idk, maybe they were on sale? Regular size bag at a random oxxo in Jalisco, yesterday
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Al! posted:then as now, the us has far more in common culturally with nazi germany than it ever has with russia, great britain or france season 3 of the man in the high castle sucked so hard for this reason with the whole subplot of "erasing" american history and culture (culminating in blowing up the status of liberty and melting the liberty bell) to secure the future of the american fascist state, as if there were something inherently anti-fascist about american culture. as if hilter didnt specifically praise the native america genocide in his own book.
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you see, as you begin to approach the equator, time begins to stall out. when you're in Panama, time comes to a complete standstill,
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Victory Position posted:you see, as you begin to approach the equator, time begins to stall out. when you're in Panama, time comes to a complete standstill, having navigated the Panama Canal, i can verify this is true it is only through powerful sea magicks and the assistance of king neptune that the master helmsman completes this arduous journey
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i dont know about this dog murder story. where was the dog?
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NYT: morales’ coca chewing, rabid cur put down by pro-democracy forces
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:season 3 of the man in the high castle sucked so hard for this reason with the whole subplot of "erasing" american history and culture (culminating in blowing up the status of liberty and melting the liberty bell) to secure the future of the american fascist state, as if there were something inherently anti-fascist about american culture. as if hilter didnt specifically praise the native america genocide in his own book. lol. Did they melt the fasces in Congress too?
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how could anyone possibly imagine a nazi takeover at a time when america already had fully legally enforced white supremacy
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¡wow! ¡expresidente morales! https://twitter.com/outofcontextmex/status/1194726187060387841?s=21
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Al! posted:how could anyone possibly imagine a nazi takeover at a time when america already had fully legally enforced white supremacy that is why the Japanese subplots were more interesting, because it turned American racial dynamics on their head and made whites into second class citizens subject to arbitrary treatment, detention, and murder from state authorities.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:¡wow!
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:¡wow! Lol
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not my expresidente
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The crowds outside the refinery where yesterday's massacre happened are even larger than they were yesterday. The crowds there are mostly Aymara but today a large group of Quechua arrived from outside the city to reinforce them, a few thousand in all. There's been a bit more shooting by the military but not really at anything in particular, and near as I can tell there have been no deaths so far there today. Wakes have been held for most of yesterday's dead with thousands of people in attendance. It's looking like the total death toll was around a dozen or so, with several more still critically wounded who may not survive. Most of the dead were killed by single gunshots to the head. There's been heavy clashes in Cochabamba today, still ongoing, along the same streets where the other massacre happened. More shooting. The police seem to have mostly handed over the situation there to civilian far-right groups in plainclothes; there's footage of the police arming them. No reports on deaths yet but there's bound to be a few. Apparently the interim government has set an agenda for the legislature and is attempting to hold a legislative session, which is just lol. They've still only got a couple senators and maybe a dozen deputies, the rest of the seats are functionally vacant because the people who occupy them are either arrested, missing (which at this point can be safely read as 'dead'), in exile, or in hiding. One of the items on that agenda is scheduling new elections, but who the hell knows what those will look like or when they will be scheduled for or if MAS will even be allowed to run. Mister Bates has issued a correction as of 00:05 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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Mister Bates posted:The crowds outside the refinery where yesterday's massacre happened are even larger than they were yesterday. The crowds there are mostly Aymara but today a large group of Quechua arrived from outside the city to reinforce them, a few thousand in all. There's been a bit more shooting by the military but not really at anything in particular, and near as I can tell there have been no deaths so far there today. Wakes have been held for most of yesterday's dead with thousands of people in attendance. It's looking like the total death toll was around a dozen or so, with several more still critically wounded who may not survive. Most of the dead were killed by single gunshots to the head.
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I don't think it would make any difference in the level of violence they're met with, if they're unarmed the police will just lie and claim they were armed anyway. The army claimed that yesterday's massacre was justified because the protesters had large quantities of dynamite and were attempting to blow up the refinery, for example. That having been said, the crowds that have been clashing with police and army in the cities are still essentially unarmed - 2x4s, bricks, rocks, bottles, the occasional petrol bomb. I'm sure many of them would happily do so, but guns are not available there with anywhere near the ease they are in the US, and like in the US privately held guns are mostly concentrated in the hands of the wealthy. Rural farmers (who are almost unanimously pro-MAS and have been a major part of some of these protests) often have firearms and we've seen some in these protests here and there, but we're talking single-shot break-open shotguns, bolt-action rifles, maybe the occasional revolver. Pieces of poo poo, basically, not really suited for getting into running gun battles with the army.
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